The Engine Cloud
The download page (free download but requires a Fritz 13 license number to work) has the current file date, so you can see if a new beta is available. I was testing the version from May 14th today, and despite some minor details, it works fine. As for now, I saw that cloud engines can be used for analysis (incl. Let's Check analyses), and even in the machine room at Playchess.com. They appear in your GUI just like local engines.
The installation does not overwrite your Fritz 13 but creates an additional installation of that beta interface version.
>Use your office computers from home and integrate them seamlessy as local chess engines...
I can see the building maintenance guy coming in to find all of-say the counties computers in Environmental Management logged in and cranking away on ChessBase-that should go over big in the morning.
"How to convert Ducats into real-world value: Registered trainers can conclude a contract with ChessBase to convert Ducats into money, especially if they organize private training and simuls. ChessBase does not guarantee this contract automatically. Other players can buy all ChessBase products at www.chessbase.com/shop at a rate of 10 Ducats for 1 Euro."
We do not know yet, if CB. will or won't equip cloud engine providers with that "back conversion" possibility.
2 problems i see with your thoughts! the server may have to much load and bottle kneck it.2nd the wife or gf may agree that hard where change is nessasary and they will upgrade the husband or boy friened for a better model
'You may not rent, lease, assign, transfer or re-distribute to the public the Software'
Hmmm, legal minefield indeed.
This is not an end-user issue -I would venture that this falls on ChessBase to deal with.
While Chessbase is exploiting their engine developers, they are making money from the end users. Maybe they will kick back a percentage to the developers of the engines being used (but only if they feel they have to). If they do, they may claim that the additional revenue from this sharing exceeds the loss of revenue from lost sales.
Robert is counting his last days as the king of the computer chess universe....
> and only the cloud version will have all the improvements.
Cloud Rybka holds some interest as a spectator sport, but beyond that I have little to no interest. It is like, occasionally, looking through catalogs at expensive tools when I'm looking for a needed odd size socket to complete a job I started.
I am ambivalent toward Robert Houdart and his reasoning for not competing at Leiden. I credit Richard Vita for his participation-but, then Richard has only to gain from the experience.
And pls stop the bullshit talk about which engine may be allowed in this system etc. etc. THAT is a topic between ChessBase and the programmers respectively, and none of your business. What are you, computer chess fans or jurisdiction fans??
But if you are not capable of anything useful, ok, go on with that bullshit and miss one of the greatest innovations in computer chess. Congratulations idiots!
But this is important to us all. If we want sustained and innovative chess engine development (as opposed to cloning and tweaking) then it is important that programmers can make a living out of it or at least significantly supplement their income through it. It will not help us in the long run if someone buys one copy of their software and illegally makes it available to 100 people with no consequences attached. Software sales will be destroyed and a lot of innovation with it.
I am a believer in the cloud model and this innivation is helpful. But it must be harnessed correctly or it will do more harm than good.
> Has anyone of you actually TESTED the Fritz 13 engine cloud??
I tested it. It's excellent. Now that Cluster Rybka is coming for it things just got a whole lot better. Shame I'll probably have to fork out a fortune for DF13 in order to use it though.
> I credit Richard Vita for his participation-but, then Richard has only to gain from the experience.
Richard was not there. The CSVN who were short of players asked if his engine could play if they provided an operator.
> If I paid you to analyze some positions on your machine using your copy of H2.0c, would that be OK? Answer, yes. If Chessbase pays you to analyze some positions on your machine using your copy of H2.0c, is that OK? I think it is.
Can Chessbase buy one (1) copy of Houdini, Rybka, Komodo, Hiarcs, Junior, Shredder or any other commercial engine, install it on a cloud server with an unlimited number of virtual machines, and then advertise Fritz 13 with the slogan: "Buy Fritz 13, you can run any other commerical engine you want"?
Part of the problem though is the way that chess engines have traditionally been sold. I.e. buy one copy, and use as many instantiations as you desire. Don't try this with Microsoft's stuff! The solution (which chess users will not be happy about) may be to limit the use of one license to use on a single machine by a single user. This is all supported by precedent going back many years, and would make it harder to abuse this model (although it might still allow for people to effectively rent out their engine to others while they are not using their computer for chess analysis).
I'm glad this stuff happens now, if things work out badly I'll have to change the licensing model for Houdini 3...
In practice you may have two problems. 1) Finding who is doing it and getting damages from them one at a time. 2) Unless your licence makes it clear you may have to fight legal battles in different countries (I would recommend your licence states something like "this licence is governed by French Law and disputes will be settled in French courts", assuming that French law protects you OK).
You might be able to challenge Chessbase if they allowed people to provide Houdini to others in this way, but that is legally far less clear and they could reasonably argue that they are not providing Houdini just a standard interface etc etc. And you would probably have to challenge them through a German court just to make things a little more difficult.
Of course you have the option of a different typoe of licence that would allow this type of usage. You could limit the number of simultaneous users that it could be provided to, or the number of cores it could run on if multiple images are being run. The pricing model for this would be interesting. How much would you charge for 40 simultaneous users or 640 simultaneous cores?
Example #1: a cable pay event was aired Saturday night. The store owner had it showing on his TV in the small store for anyone to see, it was drawing a crowd.
The cable company told him they would not sell him another paid event at that store.
Example #2: the same event by the same cable company was aired at a large sporting arena on several large screens for paying customers.
I assume the cable company would charge a normal monthly fee for the store in example #1
and in example #2 there would be a percentage of the Gate or so much a person paid to the cable company.
It seems to me that if chessbase were to use the top five programs and charging a cloud fee, then the program owners (cough) would be entitled to a share of the income.
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