Zappa Mexico Vs. Houdini Pro 2.0c 8 hours per move

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Poll What will the outcome be (Closed)

Houdini 2 Zappa 0	15	31%
Houdini 1.5 Zappa .5	21	44%
Houdini 1 Zappa 1	9	19%
Zappa 2 Houdini 0	1	2%
Zappa 1.5 Houdini .5	2	4%

By dragon49 (****)

Date 2012-04-07 00:33 Edited 2012-04-07 00:36

Zappa remains one of my favorite engines. My own rating list has it 245 elo weaker than Houdini Pro 2.0c. I suspect the established lists have similar numbers. It has always been my theory, that given enough time, Zappa is just as good, if not better than today's top engines. I fantasize that with a long enough time limit, Zappa's "bruter force" approach may find some better truths than Houdini and win some games. Realistically, I don't think that will happen, but am giving it a shot. If I had a second pc, I would play a longer time per move. For fun, I am playing a 2 game match at 8 hours a move. Unfortunately, Zappa does not support fixed time move, so I am simply running the game from infinite analysis and switching engines after 8 hours. I just started the match now, but will probably write a program to send the keystrokes to force the moves and switch engines every 8 hours, If I will be away. I'll play forced recaptures and other obvious forced moves instantly, but all other moves will be given the full 8 hours. I decided to start from the beginning of the Nimzo Indian, after, 1. d4 Nf6 2. c4 e6 3. Nc3 Bb4. Zappa has white first. Zappa played 4. Qc2.

Conditions:

I7-920 - 2 Gig of Ram Each
Zappa Default settings, with access to the full 5 man Nalimov Database
Houdini with access to the full 5 man Gaviota Databases
Houdini Split Depth 14 Gaviota Tb Cache 128
Houdini Numa off - all other settings left at default

[Event "Nimzo Challenge"]
[Site "?"]
[Date "2012.04.06"]
[Round "?"]
[White "Zappa Mexico II "]
[Black "Houdini Pro 2.0C"]
[Result "*"]
[ECO "E32"]
[PlyCount "7"]

1. d4 Nf6 2. c4 e6 3. Nc3 Bb4 *

New game

rnbqk2r/pppp1ppp/4pn2/8/1bPP4/2N5/PP2PPPP/R1BQKBNR w KQkq - 0 4

Analysis by Zappa Mexico II 64:

4.a3 Bxc3+ 5.bxc3 d5 6.cxd5 exd5 7.Qa4+ Nc6
= (-0.13)   Depth: 9/22   00:00:00 539kN
4.e3 c5 5.Bd2 d5 6.Nf3 Nc6 7.dxc5 Bxc5
= (0.04)   Depth: 9/27   00:00:00 975kN
4.Bd2 d5 5.e3 Nc6 6.a3 Bxc3 7.Bxc3 Ne4
= (0.06)   Depth: 9/27   00:00:00 1318kN
4.Bd2 d5 5.e3 Nc6 6.a3 Bxc3 7.Bxc3
= (0.06)   Depth: 9/27   00:00:00 1407kN
4.Bd2 d5 5.e3 c5 6.Nf3 cxd4 7.Qa4+ Nc6 8.Nxd4
= (0.00)   Depth: 10/31   00:00:00 1761kN
4.Bd2 d5 5.e3 c5 6.Nf3 cxd4 7.Qa4+
= (0.00)   Depth: 10/31   00:00:00 2785kN
4.Bd2 d5 5.e3 c5 6.Nf3 cxd4 7.exd4 0-0
= (0.11)   Depth: 11/31   00:00:01 3650kN
4.Bd2 d5 5.e3 c5 6.Nf3 cxd4 7.exd4 0-0
= (0.11)   Depth: 11/31   00:00:01 4138kN
4.Bd2 d5 5.e3 c5 6.Nf3 cxd4 7.Nxd4 0-0 8.cxd5 Nxd5 9.Nxd5 Bxd2+ 10.Qxd2 Qxd5
= (0.10)   Depth: 12/32   00:00:01 5563kN
4.Bd2 d5 5.e3 c5 6.Nf3 cxd4 7.Nxd4 0-0 8.cxd5 Nxd5 9.Nxd5 Bxd2+ 10.Qxd2 Qxd5
= (0.10)   Depth: 12/39   00:00:02 9871kN
4.Bd2 0-0 5.e3 b6 6.Bd3 d5 7.cxd5 exd5 8.a3 Bd6 9.Nf3 Ba6 10.Bxa6 Nxa6
= (0.15)   Depth: 13/41   00:00:03 15128kN
4.Bd2 0-0 5.e3 b6 6.Bd3 d5 7.cxd5 exd5 8.a3 Bd6 9.Nf3 Ba6 10.Bxa6 Nxa6
= (0.15)   Depth: 13/41   00:00:04 16714kN
4.Bd2 0-0 5.e3 b6 6.Bd3 d5 7.cxd5 exd5 8.a3 Bd6 9.Nf3 Ba6 10.Bxa6 Nxa6
= (0.15)   Depth: 14/41   00:00:05 20967kN
4.Bd2 0-0 5.e3 b6 6.Bd3 d5 7.cxd5 exd5 8.a3 Bd6 9.Nf3 Ba6 10.Bxa6 Nxa6
= (0.15)   Depth: 14/41   00:00:06 26124kN
4.Bd2 0-0 5.e3 b6 6.Bd3 d5 7.cxd5 exd5 8.a3 Bd6 9.Nf3 Ba6 10.Bxa6 Nxa6
= (0.15)   Depth: 15/41   00:00:09 37998kN
4.Bd2 0-0 5.e3 b6 6.Bd3 d5 7.cxd5 exd5 8.a3 Bd6 9.Nf3 Ba6 10.Bxa6 Nxa6
= (0.15)   Depth: 15/41   00:00:14 56454kN
4.Bd2 0-0 5.e3 b6 6.Nf3 d5 7.cxd5 exd5 8.Be2 Ba6 9.0-0 Bxc3 10.Bxc3 Bxe2 11.Qxe2
= (0.06)   Depth: 16/41   00:00:21 88646kN
4.e3 0-0 5.Bd3 d5 6.cxd5 exd5 7.Nge2 c5 8.a3 Bxc3+ 9.Nxc3 cxd4 10.Nb5 dxe3 11.Bxe3
= (0.11)   Depth: 16/51   00:00:41 172mN
4.e3 0-0 5.Bd3 d5 6.cxd5 exd5 7.Nge2 c5 8.a3 Bxc3+ 9.Nxc3 cxd4 10.Nb5 dxe3 11.Bxe3
= (0.11)   Depth: 16/51   00:01:02 254mN
4.e3 0-0 5.Nf3 d5 6.Bd2 b6 7.cxd5 exd5 8.Be2 Ba6 9.0-0 Bxc3 10.Bxc3 Ne4
= (0.12)   Depth: 17/53   00:01:25 348mN
4.e3 0-0 5.Nf3 d5 6.Bd2 b6 7.cxd5 exd5 8.Be2 Ba6 9.0-0 Bxc3 10.Bxc3 Ne4
= (0.12)   Depth: 17/53   00:01:51 451mN
4.e3 0-0 5.Nf3 d5 6.Bd2 b6 7.a3 Bd6 8.Qc2 Bb7 9.cxd5 exd5 10.Bd3 Ba6 11.Bxa6 Nxa6
= (0.09)   Depth: 18/53   00:02:31 615mN
4.e3 0-0 5.Nf3 d5 6.Bd2 b6 7.a3 Bd6 8.Qc2 Bb7 9.cxd5 exd5 10.Bd3 Ba6 11.Bxa6 Nxa6
= (0.09)   Depth: 18/55   00:04:20 1049mN
4.e3 0-0 5.Nf3 Bxc3+ 6.bxc3 b6 7.Bd3 Bb7 8.0-0 Be4 9.Ne5 Bxd3 10.Qxd3 d6 11.Nf3 Nc6 12.e4 h6
= (0.13)   Depth: 19/57   00:05:53 1432mN
4.e3 0-0 5.Nf3 Bxc3+ 6.bxc3 b6 7.Bd3 Bb7 8.0-0 Be4 9.Ne5 Bxd3 10.Qxd3 d6 11.Nf3 Nc6 12.e4 h6
= (0.13)   Depth: 19/57   00:07:27 1799mN
4.e3 0-0 5.Nf3 b6 6.Bd2 Bxc3 7.Bxc3 Ne4 8.Rc1 Bb7 9.Be2 d6 10.0-0 Nd7 11.Nd2 Ndf6 12.Bf3
= (0.12)   Depth: 20/57   00:10:14 2485mN
4.e3 0-0 5.Nf3 b6 6.Bd2 Bxc3 7.Bxc3 Ne4 8.Rc1 Bb7 9.Be2 d6 10.0-0 Nd7 11.Nd2 Ndf6 12.Bf3
= (0.12)   Depth: 20/59   00:19:08 4592mN
4.e3 0-0 5.Nf3 b6 6.Bd2 d5 7.Bd3 dxc4 8.Bxc4 Nbd7 9.a3 Bxc3 10.Bxc3 Ne4 11.0-0 Nxc3 12.bxc3 Bb7 13.Bd3 f5 14.Kh1
= (0.09)   Depth: 21/61   00:26:32 6413mN
4.Qc2 d5 5.Nf3 dxc4 6.a3 Bxc3+ 7.bxc3 c5 8.e3 Qd5 9.Qa4+ Bd7 10.Qxc4 Bc6 11.Qxd5 Bxd5 12.Ne5 Nc6 13.c4 cxd4 14.Nxc6 Bxc6
= (0.12)   Depth: 21/61   00:48:12 11499mN
4.Qc2 d5 5.Nf3 dxc4 6.a3 Bxc3+ 7.bxc3 c5 8.e3 Qd5 9.Qa4+ Bd7 10.Qxc4 Bc6 11.Qxd5 Bxd5 12.Ne5 Nc6 13.c4 cxd4 14.Nxc6 Bxc6
= (0.12)   Depth: 21/61   00:54:22 12963mN
4.Qc2 d5 5.cxd5 exd5 6.Bg5 h6 7.Bxf6 Qxf6 8.a3 Bxc3+ 9.Qxc3 Nc6 10.e3 0-0 11.Bb5 Qg6 12.Ne2 Qxg2 13.Rg1 Qxh2 14.Bxc6
= (0.09)   Depth: 22/63   01:17:51 18644mN
4.Qc2 d5 5.cxd5 exd5 6.Bg5 h6 7.Bxf6 Qxf6 8.a3 Bxc3+ 9.Qxc3 Nc6 10.e3 0-0 11.Bb5 Qg6 12.Ne2 Qxg2
= (0.09)   Depth: 22/63   02:45:56 39886mN
4.Qc2 d5 5.cxd5 exd5 6.Bg5 h6 7.Bxf6 Qxf6 8.a3 Bxc3+ 9.Qxc3 Nc6 10.e3 0-0 11.Rc1 Rd8 12.Bb5 Qg6 13.Ne2 Qxg2
= (0.10)   Depth: 23/65   03:23:02 48863mN
4.Qc2 d5 5.cxd5 exd5 6.Bg5 h6 7.Bxf6 Qxf6 8.a3 Bxc3+ 9.Qxc3 Nc6
= (0.10)   Depth: 23/65   04:17:57 62380mN
4.Qc2 d5 5.a3 Bxc3+ 6.Qxc3 dxc4 7.Qxc4 Bd7 8.Nh3 Nc6 9.Bf4 Qe7 10.e3 e5 11.dxe5 Ng4 12.Rc1 Ngxe5 13.Qc5
= (0.14)   Depth: 24/67   06:09:53 89764mN

[Event "Nimzo Challenge"]
[Site "?"]
[Date "2012.04.06"]
[Round "?"]
[White "Zappa Mexico II"]
[Black "Houdini Pro 2.0C"]
[Result "*"]
[ECO "E32"]
[PlyCount "7"]
[EventDate "2012.??.??"]

1. d4 Nf6 2. c4 e6 3. Nc3 Bb4 4. Qc2 *

rnbqk2r/pppp1ppp/4pn2/8/1bPP4/2N5/PPQ1PPPP/R1B1KBNR b KQkq - 0 4

Attachment: 8hours.pgn (212B)

By Uly

Date 2012-04-07 00:59

Interesting experiment.

By "switching engines", you don't mean unloading them, right? Because otherwise Zappa will spend a lot of time filling its hash only for it to be cleared the next move.

By dragon49 (****)

Date 2012-04-07 02:43 Edited 2012-04-07 02:47

Uly,

I use the Fritz12 GUI. So after I hit the spacebar to force a Zappa move, I then "change main engine." and Load Houdini. I know this throws away hash but can't figure out a better way to do this. If I run an engine match in Aquarium, I see there is no way to get Zappa to work with fixed time. If I had 2 identical PC's, I could leave each engine running. Let me know if there is a better way to do this. If there is, I would sometimes throw away hash anyway as my pc is not on 24x7.

By Uly

Date 2012-04-07 04:27 Edited 2012-04-07 04:30

Well, I think part of the strength of Zappa at long time control is its excellent hash usage, better than other engines such as Rybka or Komodo. If you get rid of it, you're not really testing what you think you're testing.

As you have Aquarium, I'd suggest running one engine in Aquarium, and the other in Fritz GUI, giving each half your free ram, but allowing them to be loaded at all times, then, you put engine A to Infinite Analysis in Aquarium for 8 hours, and play the chosen move into Fritz GUI, and then you put the engine B in Fritz to Infinite Analysis for 8 hours, and send the move back to Aquarium. You don't need 2 PCs for this.

However, randomly unloading the engines because the computer isn't 24/7 could break havoc, and I'd expect it to significantly handicap Zappa.

To check for this, run this simple experiment:

Leave Zappa Mexico running for 8 hours straight in Infinite Analysis, then play its chosen move in the board, and leave it analyzing for another 8 hours. You'll notice Zappa immediately picks up to Relative Depth -1 (if Zappa reached Depth 23 in previous move, it's going to start immediately at Depth 22), this is expected behavior.

Now, unload the engine and reload, you'll see how it starts from Scratch from Depth 1, and takes significant time to reach Depth 22 again. This time is being stolen from the 8 hours. Zappa isn't getting 8 hours as advertized due to unloading.

I guess you could simulate that the engine wasn't uploaded, by starting counting the 8 hours only after Zappa reaches Relative Depth -1 (so, if Zappa takes 2 hours to reach Relative Depth -1, you leave it analyzing for 10 hours), then Zappa wouldn't be handicapped by the unloading.

By turbojuice1122 (Gold)

Date 2012-04-23 17:03

I think that when you're at 8 hours per move, the entire hash gets overwritten anyway.

By Uly

Date 2012-04-23 22:28

Have you seen that Zappa doesn't start at relative depth -1instead of from depth 1?

By dragon49 (****)

Date 2012-04-24 00:41

Got it,

If you look at my pastes, it shows starting at ply 10. Is that a GUI problem?

By Uly

Date 2012-04-24 16:19

No, Zappa just doesn't send anything the first second of analysis.

And, yeah, I think it would start from depth 22 instantly instead of depth 10, which confirms my suspicions.

Can you, on next paste, check it? All you need to do is, before unloading Zappa, play in the board its move and it's opponent's expected move to see at what depth it starts (should take a few seconds.)

By dragon49 (****)

Date 2012-04-24 23:59

Uly,

As we both expected, after playing the next expected move, Zappa started at ply 24.

By Uly

Date 2012-04-25 01:26

Thanks, so no hash clearing taking place.

By Uri Blass (*****)

Date 2012-04-24 07:30

I think that there is only little difference between 8 hours per move and 10 hours per move.

It is probably not more than 20 elo.

I also do not see a reason to assume that zappa is using hash better than houdini.

By Uly

Date 2012-04-24 16:22

>It is probably not more than 20 elo.

Any reason to believe that the time factor has an effect here just because the time control is very slow? Or do you think that the difference from 8 minutes/move and 10 minutes/move would also be 20 elo?

> I also do not see a reason to assume that zappa is using hash better than houdini.

Houdini does more hash clearing, you can easily see that it doesn't start at relative depth -1 when you force moves. Of course, this could be different if dragon49 turned Houdini's learning ON, or did Save/Load hash, which should increase its strength.

By Uri Blass (*****)

Date 2012-04-27 01:21

I believe in diminishing returns.

It is impossible to improve perfect play so it is clear that you cannot get the same elo advantage by having 10/8 more time forever.

By dragon49 (****)

Date 2012-04-24 16:41 Edited 2012-04-24 16:43

I am not sure 10 hours would make any differnce at all as in most instances so far in this game, it appears that more than 2 more hours of analysis would be required to reach the next ply, so the engines would almost always always be playing the same moves.

By Uly

Date 2012-04-24 16:47

There should be critical positions in where the engine makes a move change in the last hour or even last minutes of analysis depending of how critical. Such moves may avoid losing or may find a win after enough games so that I'd believe it's possible the difference would be 20 elo or more.

Now, I think you can test it after you're done with this test if you want, instead of giving one engine 8 hours for a day, you can give Zappa 6 hours to analyze and Houdini 2 hours to analyze in a day, and play a game in half the time.

By Barnard (Bronze)

Date 2012-04-26 01:59

>Now, unload the engine and reload, you'll see how it starts from Scratch from Depth 1, and takes significant time to reach Depth 22 again. This time is being stolen from the 8 hours. Zappa isn't getting 8 hours as advertized due to unloading

>This time is being stolen from the 8 hours

or to give another point of view,without unloading the engine,you are giving more ''extra time'' than the stablished 8 hours because zappa reaches more depth that it can reach unloading it,im right with my reasoning?

i think that you want that zappa beats Houdini,and you simply want to ''help'' zappa,tipically of you...

want you bet something?if Houdini wins (2-0 or 1,5-0,5),you cant log in the forum for 2 months,if Zappa win,i cant log in the forum for 2 months...both of us will win,wathever of who will win the bet Uly :wink:

tell me,would you bet?

p.s.if the match tied (with a final result of 1-1,both draws or one win each side,both of us CANT log in here in 2 months)

By dragon49 (****)

Date 2012-04-26 03:05

I'm doing this for fun and don't wish to wager. If you are interested, I answered my own poll by predicting that the score would be 1-1.

By Barnard (Bronze)

Date 2012-04-26 21:08

i know that you are doing this for fun,and i understand...my message was for Uly,not for you...

i cant answer to the poll,but i predict a 1,5-0,5 in favor oh Houdini

By Uly

Date 2012-04-26 14:56

Hey, you said watching TV was a better usage of your time than having a discussion with me, so go back to it and enjoy the commercials.

By Wrath of the Titans (****)

Date 2012-04-26 15:00

Tom and Jerry is quite funny TV to watch :smile:

By Uly

Date 2012-04-26 15:06

Nah, I'd rather look for them on the internet and download them. And then connect my CPU to watch them in the TV :wink:

I can claim legality because I already own them in VHS :lol:

Ahh, I really loved Tom and Jerry when I was younger, for some reason at some point I stopped enjoying cartoons like I used to, I hope eventually the enjoyment comes back.

...

*Checks*

Oh, wait! I think you mean that Barnard and me are Tom and Jerry, good one! :yell:

By keoki010 (Bronze)

Date 2012-04-26 16:29

> Oh, wait! I think you mean that Barnard and me are Tom and Jerry, good one!

surprised it took you so long to light the bulb! :cool:

By Uly

Date 2012-04-26 16:56

Yes, I had to click Preview and check my message for mistakes before it hit me :smile:

I just hope I'm Jerry, though.

By Labyrinth (****)

Date 2012-04-26 17:10

It's funny because for example Foghorn Leghorn when I was a kid I thought was completely lame and boring. Now I find him hilarious. I watched them all now I think though.

By Wrath of the Titans (****)

Date 2012-04-26 17:18

By Uly

Date 2012-04-26 20:25

Oh yeah, I loved all the Looney Toons, Merrie Melodies cartoons and also Disney's Goofy and his misadvantures.

> I watched them all now I think though.

I haven't and have planned to at some point watch all the ones I've missed, but currently Live Action is eating my free time to do so...

By Labyrinth (****)

Date 2012-04-27 01:14

Remember bosko/buddy? Those old 30s cartoons were insane!! They were entertaining, but just unbelievably strange and bizarre. For example this one from 1930:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5kPhP3ZNw6A

LSD hadn't even been synthesized until 1938 :-P

By Uly

Date 2012-04-27 04:38

> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5kPhP3ZNw6A

Haha, loving how the girl takes her time to dress with what includes a bra only to appear topless the next scene! :lol:

And whoa, I just realized how I've been missing the classics, as I think that's the second Black and White cartoon I've seen, like, ever :eek:

, so yeah, I don't remember bosko/buddy or any cartoon from before color!

The first one I saw was a few years ago when I went to see what was up with Oswald the Lucky Rabbit, and saw this one that unfortunately is no longer available...

It was a surreal mix of Bugs Bunny, Mickey Mouse and... Mario Bros! Complete with a fight with a Bowser look-alike at the end, and Peach's role played by a female Felix the Cat, with so uncanny resemblance that made me wonder if Miyamoto watched it before starting work on the game 50 years later. Oh well.

Those B/W cartoons seemed very creative with cartoon tropes I haven't seen in recent cartoons, as if the recent ones tried to be more realistic or something (I mean, the short you linked went beyond what Animaniacs did in their series, and Animaniacs attempted to be crazy on purpose!)

By Labyrinth (****)

Date 2012-04-27 07:17

Couldn't find "wonderland" but checked out some others. Hilarious.

This one even has racist overtones :-D

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CAalAR2aSzM

By Uly

Date 2012-04-27 16:42 Edited 2012-05-01 18:58

> This one even has racist overtones :-D

That's not what worries me the most, it's this:

Oswald The Lucky Rabbit In China [1931]

Minute 2, second 31:

[Removed because :red:

, but you can go watch it yourself]

Now, THAT's something I didn't expect to see in a kid's cartoon from 1931. Cartoons those days...

By Labyrinth (****)

Date 2012-04-28 00:35

:-P

By InspectorGadget (****)

Date 2012-05-01 14:00

Uly, Uly, Uly :lol:

By Uly

Date 2012-05-01 18:56

Laby linked to the video!

By Wrath of the Titans (****)

Date 2012-04-27 17:52

I just hope I'm Jerry, though.

He owned it! lolz :smile:

By Barnard (Bronze)

Date 2012-04-26 21:24

im Jerry,and Uly is Tom :wink:

edit:you gave me an idea Alvin...so too much thanks! :smile:

By Uly

Date 2012-04-27 01:03

> im Jerry,and Uly is Tom

Fine. At least according to turbojuice, if I chase you for an infinite time I'm going to eventually catch and eat you, while Jerry has nothing on Tom's immortality.

By Barnard (Bronze)

Date 2012-04-27 01:08

seems that you never saw the cartoons;Tom never catch Jerry,that is why cartoons exists,and that is why cartoons are funny :wink:

By Uly

Date 2012-04-27 01:10

In that case, I picked Jerry first:

http://rybkaforum.net/cgi-bin/rybkaforum/topic_show.pl?pid=413645#pid413645

Haha! We can't even agree on who is who, but you're always the one chasing me :razz:

By Barnard (Bronze)

Date 2012-04-27 01:14 Edited 2012-04-27 01:17

not my friend,you are wrong

you 'hope' you are Jerry,but i 'am' Jerry,look at my name :wink:

edit:was Jerry who always was laughing about Tom :wink:

By Uly

Date 2012-04-27 01:16

Okay, gotta accept you won that one Jerry :surprised:

By Barnard (Bronze)

Date 2012-04-27 01:19

what about our correspondence game?you waited my move 18.f5?

By Uly

Date 2012-04-27 04:39

> what about our correspondence game?you waited my move 18.f5?

Yes.

By Barnard (Bronze)

Date 2012-04-26 21:16

i still think that watching tv is better than waiting my time speaking with you,but thinking,i noticed that is even better that we bet,so who losse,wont log in here for 2 months :smile:

and keeping in mind that im a good guy,im going to offer you a better wager;if you win,i wont log in here in 3 months,if you losse,you wont log in here only in 2 months,if the match ends in a tie (1-1,both of us wont log in here in 2 months)

i think is a good wager for both of us,because whatever of us who will win the wager,both of us we will win :wink:

so tell me,do you accept the wager?or you have fear to losse it?if you have fear,simply tell me and dont bet,i will understand you

By Uly

Date 2012-04-27 01:04

> i still think that watching tv is better than waiting my time speaking with you

Likewise, so to save time, I stopped reading your message by that point.

By Barnard (Bronze)

Date 2012-04-27 01:12

and im still thinking that you have fear to bet,because you know that i dont have fear to losse and stop log in here for 3 months,but you have fear about the eventually possibibilitie that you losse and you must be who must not log in here :wink:

admit it my dear friend,you have fear and i havent...

dont worry,that is normally when someone knows he is going to losse

we cant close our hipotetical wager,since you wouldnt do it...

By Uly

Date 2012-04-27 01:14

> and im still thinking that you have fear to bet

What bet?

Try being more polite and maybe I'll read more than the first line of your posts. You haven't deserved more than that with your attitude, and it seems it's best if we keep our interaction restricted to playing chess. That, we both enjoy.

By Barnard (Bronze)

Date 2012-04-27 01:21

what bet?well,i will try to be more polite

if Houdini win,you cant log in here at the forum in 2 months,if Zappa wins,i cant log in here in the forum in 3 months,that bet

edit:im giving you an advantage in the months,since i think that Zappa is weaker than Houdini

By Uly

Date 2012-04-27 04:44

And who said I was expecting Zappa to win? I voted for Houdini in the poll, and think Houdini would win by a smaller margin if Zappa wasn't handicapped.

By Barnard (Bronze)

Date 2012-04-27 20:32

is the second time we agree...that must be a miracle :lol:

By Weirwindle (***)

Date 2012-04-07 05:49

Does fritz12 gui allow you to open multiple engine pans like aquarium.
If this is the case you do not need to close either engine. They both just stay on ponder.

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