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- - By Graham Banks (****) [nz] Date 2012-02-26 00:28
The latest CCRL Rating Lists and Statistics are available for viewing from the following links:
http://computerchess.org.uk/ccrl/4040.live/ (40/40)
http://www.computerchess.org.uk/ccrl/404.live/ (40/4)
http://www.computerchess.org.uk/ccrl/404FRC/ (FRC 40/4)

Please note that the three lists are often updated separately to each other (40/40 mid-week, 40/4 at weekends, FRC as new entries appear).
The links given in each update report will give you the currently up to date lists.
Parent - - By Barnard (Bronze) Date 2012-02-26 00:49

>http://computerchess.org.uk/ccrl/4040.live/


well,at least for me,a list that uses some very old engines,isnt a trusting list...

just an example,it uses fritz 11,when it is released fritz 13...will someone tell me fritz 11 is stronger than fritz 13?or that isnt released a 12 version?
Parent - - By Graham Banks (****) [nz] Date 2012-02-26 01:35

> it uses fritz 11,when it is released fritz 13


Deep Fritz 13 hasn't been released yet.
However, it does appear that both Deep Fritz 11 and Deep Fritz 12 are slightly stronger than single-cpu Fritz 13, although you must take error margins into account.
Of course, if that still fazes you, there are other rating lists that you can look at too, besides this one.
Parent - - By Barnard (Bronze) Date 2012-02-26 01:38
if you look into ipon list,fritz 13 is a lot elo points higher than fritz 11
Parent - - By Graham Banks (****) [nz] Date 2012-02-26 01:45

> if you look into ipon list,fritz 13 is a lot elo points higher than fritz 11


If you look more closely at our lists, you find the following:

CCRL 40/40 Rating List - Custom engine selection
381140 games played by 1136 programs, run by 18 testers
Ponder off, General books (up to 12 moves), 3-4-5 piece EGTB
Time control: Equivalent to 40 moves in 40 minutes on Athlon 64 X2 4600+ (2.4 GHz)
Computed on February 22, 2012 with Bayeselo based on 381'140 games
Tested by CCRL team, 2005-2012, http://computerchess.org.uk/ccrl/4040/

Rank                Engine                 Elo   +    -   Score  AvOp  Games
1 Fritz 13                             3064  +14  -14  47.9%  +11.5  1666
  Fritz 12                             2988  +11  -11  50.8%   -4.6  2838
  Fritz 11                             2957  +10  -10  52.7%  -18.9  3608
  Fritz 10                             2879  +15  -15  51.7%  -11.7  1489
  Fritz 9                              2841  +13  -13  50.1%   -0.1  2105
  Fritz 8 Bilbao                       2797  +26  -26  45.0%  +35.8   473
Parent - - By Barnard (Bronze) Date 2012-02-26 02:03
well,even if fritz 13 hasnt a MP version,fritz 12 is 31 elo points stronger than fritz 11,and fritz 12 has a MP version,so why it isnt in the list,and it is only the fritz 11 version,that is 31 elo points weaker?
Parent - - By Graham Banks (****) [nz] Date 2012-02-26 02:09

> well,even if fritz 13 hasnt a MP version,fritz 12 is 31 elo points stronger than fritz 11,and fritz 12 has a MP version,so why it isnt in the list,and it is only the fritz 11 version,that is 31 elo points weaker?


Here are the complete Fritz records from both 40/40 and 40/4.
Note that some versions have a smallish number of games and therefore error margins must be taken into account.
You're best to look at many rating lists to get an overall picture. Never rely on just one because every rating list will have anomalies, even Ipon.

CCRL 40/40 Rating List - Custom engine selection
381140 games played by 1136 programs, run by 18 testers
Ponder off, General books (up to 12 moves), 3-4-5 piece EGTB
Time control: Equivalent to 40 moves in 40 minutes on Athlon 64 X2 4600+ (2.4 GHz)
Computed on February 22, 2012 with Bayeselo based on 381'140 games
Tested by CCRL team, 2005-2012, http://computerchess.org.uk/ccrl/4040/

Rank                Engine                 Elo   +    -   Score  AvOp  Games
1 Deep Fritz 11 4CPU                   3096  +29  -29  54.2%  -27.2   335
  Deep Fritz 12 4CPU                   3086  +32  -32  46.9%  +21.9   288
  Fritz 13                             3064  +14  -14  47.9%  +11.5  1666
  Deep Fritz 10.1 4CPU                 2992  +18  -18  51.9%  -13.5  1048
  Fritz 12                             2988  +11  -11  50.8%   -4.6  2838
  Fritz 11                             2957  +10  -10  52.7%  -18.9  3608
  Deep Fritz 10 2CPU                   2951  +37  -37  60.8%  -66.6   227
  Deep Fritz 10 4CPU                   2931  +20  -20  49.0%   +6.9   826
  Fritz 10                             2879  +15  -15  51.7%  -11.7  1489
  Fritz 9                              2841  +13  -13  50.1%   -0.1  2105
  Deep Fritz 8 2CPU                    2832  +19  -19  50.8%   -4.9   909
  Fritz 8 Bilbao                       2797  +26  -26  45.0%  +35.8   473

CCRL 40/4 Rating List - Custom engine selection
819677 games played by 915 programs, run by 17 testers
Ponder off, General books (up to 12 moves), 3-4-5 piece EGTB
Time control: Equivalent to 40 moves in 4 minutes on Athlon 64 X2 4600+ (2.4 GHz)
Computed on January 28, 2012 with Bayeselo based on 819'677 games
Tested by CCRL team, 2005-2012, http://computerchess.org.uk/ccrl/404/

Rank                 Engine                   Elo   +    -   Score  AvOp  Games
1 Deep Fritz 12 4CPU                      3125  +24  -24  47.3%  +17.4   531
  Fritz 13                                3085  +11  -11  41.9%  +60.7  3414
  Deep Fritz 10.1 4CPU                    3020  +16  -16  50.3%   -3.4  1446
  Fritz 12                                3006  +13  -13  53.5%  -23.2  1953
  Fritz 11                                2986   +9   -9  54.2%  -31.7  4910
  Deep Fritz 10 4CPU                      2942  +13  -13  49.0%   +4.2  2060
  Fritz 10                                2897  +17  -17  54.0%  -30.2  1248
  Fritz 9                                 2851  +10  -10  50.3%   -2.6  4088
  Fritz 8                                 2767  +32  -31  63.7% -101.7   372
  Fritz 5.32                              2646  +13  -13  53.0%  -23.2  2165
  Fritz 6 Light                           2638  +15  -15  50.1%   -0.4  1565
  Fritz 4.01                              2610  +38  -38  54.1%  -30.5   232
Parent - - By Barnard (Bronze) Date 2012-02-26 02:15
ok,thanks for your time to clarify me...

just seems strange that a supossed newer and tested version,runs weaker than a older version
Parent - - By Graham Banks (****) [nz] Date 2012-02-26 02:16

> ok,thanks for your time to clarify me...
>
> just seems strange that a supossed newer and tested version,runs weaker than a older version


You're welcome. Sometimes these things can happen unfortunately.   :neutral:
Parent - - By Barnard (Bronze) Date 2012-02-26 02:23
yes,it happens...and when you buy a 'new' engine,thinking that is stronger than the older,and you see at the rating lists that is weaker,your face is something similar to: :eek:
Parent - - By Graham Banks (****) [nz] Date 2012-02-26 02:26

> yes,it happens...and when you buy a 'new' engine,thinking that is stronger than the older,and you see at the rating lists that is weaker,your face is something similar to: :eek:


Indeed, but it doesn't pay to get the single-cpu versions mixed up with the multi-cpu versions.
It is disappointing to buy an engine that fails to deliver on promises.
Parent - - By Barnard (Bronze) Date 2012-02-26 02:30

>It is disappointing to buy an engine that fails to deliver on promises.


for example?
Parent - - By Graham Banks (****) [nz] Date 2012-02-26 02:44

>> It is disappointing to buy an engine that fails to deliver on promises.
> for example?


Just a general statement that I'd be surprised if anybody disagrees with.
Parent - - By Barnard (Bronze) Date 2012-02-26 02:45
at least, i dont disagree with you
Parent - - By Ray (****) Date 2012-02-26 09:58
You also have to remember - there is no guarantee that all commercial engines will appear on our list. The "Deep" chessbase products are horrendously expensive. There may come a point where none of the members want to purchase them. Last Deep Fritz I bought for example was Deep Fritz 10. I think one or two bought DF12, that is all for example. I think only one 4040 tester bought the latest Deep Junior 13, and he only runs 1CPU matches currently. So the chances of seeing 4CPU Deep Junior 13 on that list are slim
Parent - - By Barnard (Bronze) Date 2012-02-26 21:20
Chessbase doesnt provide you with the fritz products?or Mark with Junior and Hiarcs?
Parent - - By Ray (****) Date 2012-02-26 21:35
Without going into specifics, some authors/companies provide us with engines, some just give us a discount, and for some we have to pay full price same as everyone else. I've spent hundreds of pounds over the years on engines, maybe even over £1,000, but I don't purchase any now. There are other priorities for me, and running the PCs is expensive enough as it is.
Parent - By Barnard (Bronze) Date 2012-02-26 21:44
over 1000 pounds?????omg...
Parent - - By Banned for Life (Gold) Date 2012-02-26 22:32
This money would be better spent on high class hookers...
Parent - - By Barnard (Bronze) Date 2012-02-26 22:43
i dont know how to classify that post from you;or too smart,or too stupid Alan,but i agree with you,150 %,so if is a smart post,we both are smart,and if is a stpid post,we both are stupids...
Parent - - By NATIONAL12 (Gold) [gb] Date 2012-02-26 23:47
certainly better spent on a hooker than Fritz unless you are into masochism and like been beaten up by your opponents.:smile:
Parent - By Barnard (Bronze) Date 2012-02-26 23:49
well,i bought fritz but just for the GUI...

but i agree about better spend that money on a good hooker...mmmmm...with 1000 pounds,you can have a very good hooker :cool:
Parent - - By Banned for Life (Gold) Date 2012-02-27 02:47
This is an expression that I learned from an Irish priest while talking about bad investments. He's a really smart guy and is also teaching me how to drink too much...

As an example, several years ago I opened an account with MF Global to buy very long futures (9-1/2 years out) in crude oil at $70 a barrel. While I was doing my due diligence (talking to friends who are energy traders), the price jumped up to $80 a barrel, at which point I wasn't as interested. If I had bought this futures contract, it would have been really smart (I would have made a half million dollars on the trade at today's valuations), but because MF Global went bankrupt and took its customers' money with it, I would have lost money instead (my initial deposit). This would have led me to the sentiment above...
Parent - By Barnard (Bronze) Date 2012-02-27 18:46
well Alan,money that fast grow,generally fast goes...

>This is an expression that I learned from an Irish priest


from an irish priest???i want meet that irish priest,even if im an agnostic guy...for sure if a priest says that,must be a very smart person

>He's a really smart guy and is also teaching me how to drink too much...


''teaching me how to drin too much''...

as i said,i must meet that guy;from that 2 sentences i read from you,he is going up in the list of my idols :lol:
Parent - - By rocket (***) [se] Date 2012-02-26 16:59
CCRL was with 4 cpu for deep fritz 11.. of course it will be stronger on 4 cpu vs 1 cpu  untill theres 4 cpu for DEEp Fritz 13.

Adding one core adds aproximately 15 to 25 elo points in streight.

In the ipon list all engines are tested at single core which is why fritz 13 is the best of the fritz versions.
Parent - By Barnard (Bronze) Date 2012-02-26 21:20
agree
Parent - - By tomgdrums (****) Date 2012-02-26 17:36

> for example?


Junior 13!
Parent - - By Barnard (Bronze) Date 2012-02-26 21:19
yes,i agree with you...

at Hiarcs page,it is showed that is an improvement of 150 elo points between Junior 12.5 and Junior 13,and when you see it at lists,only rel 15-20 elo points...big liars
Parent - - By NATIONAL12 (Gold) [gb] Date 2012-02-26 23:48
your learning fast.
Parent - By Barnard (Bronze) Date 2012-02-26 23:52
yes,im learning fast Paul...people can lie me,but sooner or later,i will catch the liar,be sure
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