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Parent - - By Harvey Williamson (*****) Date 2012-02-12 14:27
In fact I think Vas paid some of my expenses for that trip also!

the receipt was 'flashed' as a joke ask anyone who was at the event.
Parent - - By Trotsky (****) [fr] Date 2012-02-12 14:33
What's "funny" about it?
Parent - - By Harvey Williamson (*****) Date 2012-02-12 14:36
The fact that you are trying to use it to advance your agenda.
Parent - - By Trotsky (****) [fr] Date 2012-02-12 14:49
Are you declaring these "payments" to you from Vas and others on your tax return?
Parent - - By Harvey Williamson (*****) Date 2012-02-12 14:52
I do not need to declare non-taxable expenses.
Parent - - By Trotsky (****) [fr] Date 2012-02-12 15:10
But you do need to declare expenses for which you are not entitled to relief. Boogying around in a hire-car in North West Spain looking for suitable three star restaurants, for example. There are allowable expenses and there are "benefits in kind", the latter being taxable at your highest rate.
Parent - - By Harvey Williamson (*****) Date 2012-02-12 15:14
rubbish.
Parent - - By Trotsky (****) [fr] Date 2012-02-12 15:21
How much have you received in "expenses" over the last  year? How much in "benefits in kind"?
Parent - - By Harvey Williamson (*****) Date 2012-02-12 15:27
Well I just bought a new Car for £18,000 I will ask David to write approved on the receipt.

In the last 12 months I have received about 150 euros which part paid for my trip to Tillburg. My electricity bill for testing is about £80 a month but i pay this myself.
Parent - - By Trotsky (****) [fr] Date 2012-02-12 15:40
HMRC are probably very used to people making up excuses one after the other as they go along. As we see above. Hopefully for you, your value is so meagre, that any expenses will be trivial. Basically, a limit will be set by the obvious conclusion: just one flash meal and you're anybody's.
Parent - - By Harvey Williamson (*****) Date 2012-02-12 15:45
LOL i have had hundreds of flash meals but sadly nobody from the ICGA or Hiarcs.com has paid for any of them.

btw I know the tax system fairly well as I worked as a Computer programmer for 5 years for the Inland Revenue. Part of a major project to computerise the tax system.
Parent - - By Banned for Life (Gold) Date 2012-02-12 17:36
btw I know the tax system fairly well as I worked as a Computer programmer for 5 years for the Inland Revenue. Part of a major project to computerise the tax system.

If you know how the tax system works, you should know that an organization that has brought in seven figure sums needs to file paperwork as a non-profit in some local. It seems that the ICGA has taken in money in the UK, the Netherlands, and Japan. If I had knowledge of the ICGA taking in money in the US, I would report them to the IRS and attempt to get a whistleblower reward. If no paperwork had been filed in any local, the IRS would do their own calculations and go after the principals of the ICGA, in absentia if necessary. I'm sure the UK, the Netherlands, and Japan have similar laws in place.

You can't just proclaim you are a non-profit and don't need to file paperwork anywhere, as David stated, and expect that to fly with anybody. That is a surefire recipe for ending up in the big house...
Parent - - By Harvey Williamson (*****) Date 2012-02-12 17:44
Why not email the HMRC email address is readily available. Or you can just write more spam here along with Chris and do nothing which is what will happen. But it is entertaining so carry on....
Parent - - By Banned for Life (Gold) Date 2012-02-12 20:10
Please let me know if the ICGA has collected any money in the US and I will be happy to refer them to the IRS for tax evasion. I would encourage anyone in the UK or the Netherlands or Japan to refer this matter to the appropriate taxing authority in their country.

I have no idea what the nature of your affiliation with this organization is, but anyone who would become an officer of a company that is apparently engaged in tax evasion certainly has a few screws loose.
Parent - - By Rebel (****) Date 2012-02-12 23:02
Here is some financial info by ICGA official Rémi Coulom

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

The main problem with the ICGA is that, for many year, its main purpose has been to pay the salary of Jaap's secretary. So every year, they have to struggle to find a sponsor that will pay a lot of money, and do all the organization work. When they can't find such a generous sponsor, Jaap organises the tournament at his university, and tries to find all kinds of ways to raise as much money as possible from it.

If you are interested in a cheap tournament, I recommend the programmers tournament. It is organized by Richard Pijl in Belgium. Operators are not allowed. It has a great atmosphere.

http://rpijl.home.xs4all.nl/html/programmers_tour.html

Rémi
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Parent - - By AWRIST (****) Date 2012-03-10 11:41
Harvey, I for one from the outside read it about you as if you were - just because you are really meagre in your expectations - somehow. I'm trying to avoid the word, but it isnt meant as a sort of judicial statement, Somehow corrupt, but you wouldnt want to let it come to the surface, is that correct? I ask you frankly, how much did you get for the secretariat job in the ICGA? Dont be shy. Also hangmen get their due salary.
Parent - - By Harvey Williamson (*****) Date 2012-03-10 12:47
£0
Parent - - By keoki010 (Bronze) [us] Date 2012-03-10 23:30
But what in other currencys??? :confused::lol::roll::sad::surprised::twisted::wink:
Parent - - By Banned for Life (Gold) Date 2012-03-11 02:05
I'm always happy when I see people being properly compensated for their work! :lol:
Parent - By Uly (Gold) [mx] Date 2012-03-11 11:53
:smile:
Parent - By Trotsky (****) [fr] Date 2012-03-11 12:05
or overpaid
Parent - - By Werewolf (*****) [gb] Date 2012-02-12 23:07

> i have had hundreds of flash meals


Amazing, we have the same past-time. Have you tried Le Manoir just outside of Oxford? If you're heading from Manchester to London it's worth a 3 hour break.

I want to try the Fat Duck some day.
Parent - By Harvey Williamson (*****) Date 2012-02-13 00:30
Never got to Le manoir. The Fat Duck is amazing you should get yourself on the waiting list. I went about 2 years ago.

In Manchester there are not so many stars around but Michael Caines has an amazing restaurant here.
Parent - - By Homayoun_Sohrabi_M.D. (***) [us] Date 2012-02-13 00:40

> which of your four or five different stories is the truth?


another lie that Harvey told few weeks ago was that Levy has never and will never read anything posted here...reading the CB article exposed Harvey's lie because Levy seems to indicate that he most definitely knows what is being said here.

just a tiny lie, but gives you a little insight about the man
Parent - - By AWRIST (****) Date 2012-03-10 11:44
Harvey never lied to me!!
Parent - By Uly (Gold) [mx] Date 2012-03-10 13:14
He lied to everyone when he said he'd quit the forum forever and then stayed instead.

He did it twice.
Parent - - By Rebel (****) Date 2012-02-12 18:13

> HM Customs


HM stands for Her Majesty?

Just guessing.
Parent - By Harvey Williamson (*****) Date 2012-02-12 18:26
Gawd Bless Her!
Parent - - By Nick (****) [gb] Date 2012-02-07 12:43

> If I'm correctly informed, Levy owns a house which cost £ 1/2 mio.


I suspect it would be worth a little more than that now.

This is all public domain knowledge found via Google:

ICGA
President: David N.L. Levy
34, Courthope Road
Hampstead, London NW3 2LD
England
Email: davidlevylondon@yahoo.com

http://www.nethouseprices.com/index.php

Someone bought the house on 04-May-2005 for £490,000.  Although it's impossible to tell who bought the house, such information would have to be made available to The Court when awarding damages.  Also any changes of ownership of that property since the ICGA verdict would be discovered.
Parent - By Homayoun_Sohrabi_M.D. (***) [us] Date 2012-02-07 18:01
I am not an attorney (although I play one on the internet).   I don't believe Levy is in any danger of losing his house.    You could say that an attorney here in USA charges about 300 dollars per hour and so such a complicated case, will easily require tens (if not hundreds) of thousands of dollars in lawyer and expert fees to get anywhere.    Does Vas have that kind of money?

Vas does not even have his source code, so what is it that his attorney gonna argue?  How is he going to show that Vas is innocent?   Besides, it also appears that Vas may have been a little careless in releasing very early ("non-original") versions to testers, further damaging his case.  

No real life attorney in his right mind will touch this case on contingency because a win is far from guaranteed (attorneys prefer sure win cases like where the doctor took out the wrong kidney, etc) and because ICGA does not have deep pockets.   But if Vas is willing to pay the upfront attorney retainer, expert fees, court costs, etc, then I am sure some lawyer out there will be willing to part him from his money.
Parent - - By Homayoun_Sohrabi_M.D. (***) [us] Date 2012-02-07 18:07
Nick,

with all due respect, I find it a little creepy and in poor taste that you guys are looking up and posting information on Levy's private residence (whether it be in public domain or not).   Best regards.
Parent - - By Harvey Williamson (*****) Date 2012-02-07 18:09
Agreed, I found Nick's private address today and debated if i should post it but decided not to.
Parent - - By Nick (****) [gb] Date 2012-02-07 18:14
Perhaps you can help Harvey, here:

http://www.hiarcs.net/forums/viewtopic.php?p=51557#51557

We found the first reference to the Metro article.  It looks like you are quoting another post, or are you quoting a website?  Looking for post zero on that topic.
Parent - - By Harvey Williamson (*****) Date 2012-02-07 18:51
yeah i remember reading it on the tube on the way into work - was amazed they picked it up! Good luck with those valentines card.
Parent - By Nick (****) [gb] Date 2012-02-07 19:03
Ok thanks, you were actually quoting the newspaper then and not another post.  We couldn't find the other post anywhere!
Parent - - By Nick (****) [gb] Date 2012-02-07 18:20

> Agreed, I found Nick's private address today and debated if i should post it but decided not to.


Where publicly available? I am interested.  Perhaps I will get more valentines cards.
Parent - - By Harvey Williamson (*****) Date 2012-02-07 18:59

> Perhaps I will get more valentines cards.


Parent - By Nick (****) [gb] Date 2012-02-07 19:01
Thanks :lol:

I think that's all I'll get though as I couldn't find my address publicly available on the web.
Parent - - By Nick (****) [gb] Date 2012-02-07 18:12
That's ok. I think that David Levy brought what happens to him on himself.  For example, he writes:

"For whatever has happened in Rajlich's life due to the ICGA's investigation and verdict, he has only himself to blame. If people do not follow rules or laws then they themselves are responsible for the consequences."

For funding a libel/defamation case, it would need to be financed by someone who would love to see the look on the face of The Judge when he is given the information about Levy being sympathetic to Biggs' escape from Wandsworth prison.
Parent - By vesuvio (**) [pl] Date 2012-02-07 18:42
Come on - probably half of the UK and the judge as well has some admiration for the prison break: http://news.bbc.co.uk/onthisday/hi/dates/stories/july/8/newsid_2706000/2706659.stm Or for the Great Train Robbery in general: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/1310271.stm You should watch more popular TV series and films if you think moral outrage is how the general public views such events, especially years later.

It's wishful thinking to imagine anything will happen to David Levy over this case. Vasik Rajlich himself is on shakier ground (even if he actually is innocent) and would clearly be foolhardy to pursue anything. It certainly wouldn't help his reputation to have the details publicised again, as no-one disputes some of them look bad.
Parent - - By dj (**) [gb] Date 2012-02-24 12:17
Someone bought the house on 04-May-2005 for £490,000
Gee whiz! Only £490,000 for a property in Hampstead in 2005? Surely one could expect only a converted garage or public toilet for such a small sum?
Parent - - By Trotsky (****) [fr] Date 2012-02-24 13:32
Well, I wouldn't normally respond to such snobby comments but as a Hampstead aboriginal I am unable to resist ;-)

while the area in question has the socially desirable NW3 postcode it is in fact not really Hampstead at all. It is on the borders of Parliament Hill and Chalk Farm, basically a working class artisan area, and you correctly identify it's downmarket nature by reference to price. The part of Hampstead associated with a leftist, bohemian, artistic, more avant garde set is about a mile or more away, starting where the high ground begins (the more affluent bourgeoisie sought out the hills in London to avoid the bad air etc) and these people traditionally required a proletarian class to service their needs. This proletarian class living in the surrounding, lower lying areas, of which the address quoted is part.
Parent - - By AWRIST (****) Date 2012-03-10 11:54
Chris, that brings back old memories. In the 60s I once lived almost exactly in front of the entry of the cemetary with the huge memorial of Marx. Normally Indian students lived there but they were on vacations at home. Was I living in a top area then? I slept on top of three cushions under my back because I had to lie on a flat level...
Parent - - By Trotsky (****) [fr] Date 2012-03-10 18:24
really?! that would be Highgate, Swains Lane, hilly enough for your three cushions. Other side of Hampstead Heath, I used to live over that side for a while at the end of the 60s. Marx's grave was always very well looked after by the DDR, but I've not visited it since before the end of the "happy times", so whether it is tended now or vandalised, I have no idea. Did Honeker pay you to leave flowers and sew the hammers and sickles to the nice flags?
Parent - - By AWRIST (****) Date 2012-03-10 23:23
I didnt come from the DDR. I envie you for your living up in that town/city. Last week I feared that they had imprisoned you for participating in the anon movement. Please leave off that mask in your avatar. :wink:
Parent - By keoki010 (Bronze) [us] Date 2012-03-10 23:31
:lol:
Parent - By AWRIST (****) Date 2012-03-10 23:30
If a court case against Levy were held in GB, would Vas win it? And how much are the costs for a start?
Parent - By M ANSARI (*****) [kw] Date 2012-02-07 11:49
It is up to the judge to decide if slandering Vas and his commercial product hurt final sales.  I don't think it would be too difficult to show that what happened had a negative impact on the sales of Rybka, and for psychological damage caused to Vas personally.  I sure hope Vas follows this up with legal action as he is bound to win, and in a sense that would put an end to this drama.  If I were Levy I would be first of zippering my mouth, and second of all I would be looking for good legal advice.  I noticed that in the last Chessbase interview he used the word "stole" in reference to Vas and Rybka ... that surely cannot help his case where he is claiming that he only said that Rybka violated rule #2 of the ICGA.
Parent - - By Arrière Pensée (Gold) Date 2012-02-04 18:39

> Somehow the probability of that seems incredibly small..


You really are a gambling man.  You would  have to be asking  yourself- 

"What is his point in making such a reference available to me? If, in point of fact, the statement holds no authority- beyond the vagueness of the implied  implications of a  referenced legal threat?  What is he to me and I to him, that- he should care enough to warn me against my libelous actions-  if only to scare off.  In which case, he's bluffing!"

However!

" If this man had questions about the liability of the actions taken against his friend and had decided  to take the issue to one of the  best legal teams in his geography; which happened to be at  his disposal-soliciting their legal opinion on the matter. And, they returned telling him his friend stood a chance at  leveling a substantial lawsuit against the ICGA.

If this information were, in fact true, there would be little I could do, since the damage is  already done,  and at best the information would only  arouse in me apprehension and fear. So I'd best portray the probability of it being valid as incredibly small..."  

Is that accurate Bob?
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