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- - By Rebel (****) Date 2012-01-18 14:39
This just dropped in my mailbox.

Ed

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Ed, you posted this stuff on talkchess:

Junior    - Amir did not participated in the Panel forum discussions - abstained from voting
Komodo    - Don did not participated in the Panel forum discussions - voted guilty
Shredder  - SMK did not participated in the Panel forum discussions - voted guilty
Hiarcs    - Mark did not participated in the Panel forum discussions - voted guilty
Critter   - Richard did not participated in the Panel forum discussions - abstained from voting
Rondo     - Zach actively participated in the Panel forum discussions - voted guilty
Stockfish - None of the SF team participated in the Panel forum discussions - abstained from voting"

in this thread:  http://www.talkchess.com/forum/viewtopic.php?topic_view=threads&p=444803&t=34684

Revealing who discussed things and how people voted is a violation of the User Agreement of the ICGA Panel:

http://icga.wikispaces.com/User+Agreement?responseToken=b0d35b5db29d1baa53a1e69613016ff5

So, we have removed you from the wiki.

If you can show you have the permission of each of the panel members you revealed information on, we can look at reinstating you.  But since you have resigned from the ICGA, you would also have to rejoin the ICGA first.

Mark Lefler
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Absolutely!

David
Parent - - By Venator (Silver) Date 2012-01-18 14:47
Well, well, well.... Three voted 'guilty' without participating in the panel discussions?

Mark Uniacke, Stefan Mayer-Kahlen and Don Dailey?

No wonder they wanted this info to remain secret!
Parent - - By RFK (Gold) Date 2012-01-18 15:07
No wonder Don Dailey sends Larry over here to sell Komodo! :wink:
Parent - - By Venator (Silver) Date 2012-01-18 15:10
And Uniacke sends HW here to 'muddy through the waters' :wink:
Parent - - By RFK (Gold) Date 2012-01-18 15:13
It takes a great deal of balls to add insult to injury.
Parent - By Venator (Silver) Date 2012-01-18 15:39
Don't forget Zach, who won a WCCC title by voting 'guilty'.
Parent - By DamirD81 (***) Date 2012-01-18 20:00
And SMK sends Ingo Bauer here to spam with his irrelevant testing results at inwoba.de...
Parent - - By Harvey Williamson (*****) Date 2012-01-18 15:25
Or maybe they did not participate for the very reason that  active participation would of been seen as influencing the course of the evidence, as competitors of Rajlich maybe they thought it best to leave it to the independent people and then review the evidence they presented to come to a final conclusion on guilt or not.

But whatever they did you would twist it. Ed has now proved he is totally untrustworthy. Other people who had access to the information like Friedel and Silver they at least proved they can be trusted to obey the rules.
Parent - By Banned for Life (Gold) Date 2012-01-18 15:41
Or possibly they decided to let someone else do their dirty work, then voted to give themselves a trophy! :twisted:
Parent - By RFK (Gold) Date 2012-01-18 15:44
I wouldn't fault Ed for coming forward and bringing this to light. It should have been out front from the get go.
Parent - - By Rebel (****) Date 2012-01-18 15:56
ICGA is some sort Freemason club now ?

Post some news most already know -> BAN.

You guys are good with that.

Besides, some of it was already on my pages months ago.

Gimme a break.
Parent - - By Harvey Williamson (*****) Date 2012-01-18 16:04
The rules are clearly stated you said you would obey them when you joined. But i must admit I am not surprised that you are incapable of doing that.
Parent - - By Rebel (****) Date 2012-01-18 16:08
You must despise Julian Assange then.
Parent - - By Harvey Williamson (*****) Date 2012-01-18 16:12
I am shocked that you of all people think it is ok to break the rules that you agreed to abide by. Your credibility gets lower and lower.
Parent - - By Rebel (****) Date 2012-01-18 16:19
News = News.

I will take the angriness with grace.
Parent - By Harvey Williamson (*****) Date 2012-01-18 16:26
You have now proved you are the only person to join the wiki who breaks its rules. it says a lot about you. Silver and Friedel could also both break the rules and publish what all were asked not to but it seems they still have some credibility.
Parent - By Venator (Silver) Date 2012-01-18 16:47
I will take the angriness with grace.

You have hit the jackpot!

HW will have a very bad sleep tonight...
Parent - - By Venator (Silver) Date 2012-01-18 16:20
Harvey doesn't want this awful truth to be reveiled. His 'boss' Mark voted quilty without entering the discussion. It is plain clear that the motives behind all this are 'winning titles by default' and 'generate more income'.

Which we said from the beginning and is now confirmed by this posting.
Parent - By Harvey Williamson (*****) Date 2012-01-18 16:23
I doubt my boss the director general at the BBC voted or even cares.
Parent - - By Lukas Cimiotti (Bronze) Date 2012-01-18 15:11
Parent - - By Venator (Silver) Date 2012-01-18 15:35
I don't know, you'll have to ask Harvey. I have him on ignore, so I can't read what he replies.
Parent - - By Lukas Cimiotti (Bronze) Date 2012-01-18 15:38
I'd prefer to get that information from a trustworthy source :lol: :wink:
Parent - By Venator (Silver) Date 2012-01-18 15:41
Try Bob  :lol: :lol: :lol:
Parent - - By Banned for Life (Gold) Date 2012-01-18 16:30
There is no real denial there. In one case, he states he may have missed the deadline. In the other, he forgot if he voted or not. The odds on bet is that Team Hiarcs cast two of the thirteen guilty votes...
Parent - - By Harvey Williamson (*****) Date 2012-01-18 16:33
I think there were 14 guilty votes. if you add on lefler and me that is 16 although we did not vote during the process. Also the 4 ICGA board members who were registered on the wiki did not vote.
Parent - - By AWRIST (****) Date 2012-01-18 17:20 Edited 2012-01-18 17:24
In my list of the most evil characters of the panel are propaganda chief Williamson who is distorting reality and thereafter I have no more respect for Don Dailey, who has the ugliest ethics because he does it all for his program Komodo, from the old guard then SMK with his Shredder, who is in his silent manoevring the most dishonest, another silent one but evil in highest degree is Uniacke who is tricky with the engaging of loudspeaker Harvey, finally Zach Wegner with his faked data in his report and then the political scapegoating of Vas. Also- I must apologize - but I have Fabien as a dirty character on the list. I will never be able to forget his hypocritical "And then, what did he then say?", after they had bought him in to have the shadow of a case against Vas at all. He's just a joke for me.

The positive list contains 6 people.

1 Bob that he after his evil campaign resisted the trivial bully to defamate Vas with a vote.
He might have felt at least a minimum of ethical thinking in science.

2 Ed is the greatest hero for me because he took the biggest risks with at first joining the circus but then leaving it after having seen the falsehood and lack of seeking the truth

3 Of course Trotsky as Ed's collegue gets a clear triple AAA++ from my side.

4 Amir Ban who is perhaps the historically biggest competitor of Vas who also resisted to vote. I hadnt expected that because I'm thinking against his father figure Levy, almost hate him much. But something already showed me in many political debates that the Israeli Amir is a very independent guy. With a single exception when he hurried to justify the war against Libanon with the crimes of war of the Israeli army. Thereafter I have never seen Amir again in CTF seemingly because he had lost his confidence in Israel's politics. Amir, if you read this, you can call me whenever you have problems or are in danger.

5-6  The last two are Richard and Tord who I dont know at all. They resisted with their knowledge to single-out Vas, what Don was so happy to do for a personal advantage.
Parent - By Harvey Williamson (*****) Date 2012-01-18 17:21

> In my list of the most evil characters of the panel are propaganda chief Williamson


Thank You!
Parent - - By oudheusa (*****) Date 2012-01-18 17:45
Yes let's all buy Junior in support.
And petition Larry to collaborate with Richard, who said Don is a sloppy coder.
Parent - - By Venator (Silver) Date 2012-01-18 19:01
Yes let's all buy Junior in support.

You can buy it on the Hiarcs website!
Parent - By Harvey Williamson (*****) Date 2012-01-18 19:11
yes it is available at www.hiarcs.com
Parent - By Venator (Silver) Date 2012-01-18 18:06
3 Of course Trotsky as Ed's collegue gets a clear triple AAA++ from my side.

Agreed! But don't tell Fitch, Moody's or Standard & Poors about this triple A, otherwise he risks a downgrade  :lol:
Parent - - By Ugh (*****) Date 2012-01-18 18:22
"In my list of the most evil characters of the panel are propaganda chief Williamson"

I am becoming more and more convinced that HW was responsible for the dirty Press Release that had "The Metro" (a London evening tabloid given away free outside Tube stations) story and headlines such as "Czech Mate, Cheat" alongside wedding photos of Vas and his wife. I do not believe The Metro has the journalistic mettle to go doing the research, it's just a freebie paper which gets its revenue from advertisers, such papers are editorially weak and like to print direct off PR material.

Didn't HW scan the article same day and gleefully publish on forums? The Metro is not somewhere one would look for such a story, it's almost as if he knew beforehand.
Parent - By oudheusa (*****) Date 2012-01-18 18:30
+1 he has the connections surely.
Parent - By Venator (Silver) Date 2012-01-18 19:00
I am becoming more and more convinced that HW was responsible for the dirty Press Release that had "The Metro" (a London evening tabloid given away free outside Tube stations) story and headlines such as "Czech Mate, Cheat" alongside wedding photos of Vas and his wife.

I totally agree. Levy and other panel members have clearly stated that they didn't like this. But not Harvey.
Parent - - By Rebel (****) Date 2012-01-18 19:44
True Harvey ?
Parent - - By Harvey Williamson (*****) Date 2012-01-18 19:49
Why should anyone engage a liar and someone who breaks rules just like Vas in any way?

But this song i like! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z-ZEDNkZ2L4
Parent - - By Rebel (****) Date 2012-01-18 20:03
The pictures ?

You were responsible for that ?
Parent - - By Ugh (*****) Date 2012-01-18 20:08
Who else? The Metro doesn't do journo research, it's a freebie rag dependant on advertising. I would be very surprised if that material and suggested headlines were not given to them. Levy doesn't fit for that but HW does.
Parent - By Ugh (*****) Date 2012-01-18 20:12
Also, nobody reads the Metro nor takes it seriously, the objective was to get any rag to publish the shit, than scan the article and humiliate Vas on the chess forums. Who was responsible for scanning and doing the humiliation? Well, HW, wasn't it? QED.
Parent - - By Rebel (****) Date 2012-01-18 21:38
Harvey ????

You always respond....

You post everywhere except on the question that bothers us all, the truth about the pictures please.......
Parent - - By Harvey Williamson (*****) Date 2012-01-18 21:44
Parent - - By Rebel (****) Date 2012-01-18 22:02
Well, it seems to be the case you are honest guy, a man of principles. Good, I can respect that.

Just tell me if I have that wrong.
Parent - - By siam (**) Date 2012-01-19 09:17 Edited 2012-01-19 11:49
No doubt about it that Harvey did it.
He is very abusive when you have a different opinion than he has and he most likely has a personality disorder.

There are ten of them but my best bet is that Harvey is having narcissistic behaviour.

And that is the reason that it make no sense to argue with him.
He even will not agree with me about his personality.

I have seen the same behaviour by Dr Bob.......

Ok Harvey show me your youtube answering style.
My best bet is that it will be something to do with a donkey.
Parent - - By Ugh (*****) Date 2012-01-19 09:33
The so-called Charter for the panel, written by ICGA/Levy specifically states the Secretariat is responsible for publishing the results. HW's PR campaign was therefore, it seems to me, ICGA sanctioned and done on their behalf.

I think you can assume HW came up with the headline "Czech Mate You Cheat", since the play on words and knowledge of nationality would be too much to expect from a Metro journalist, and he would also have come up with the family photographs of Vas. All in all it shows the process for what it really was, no sober fact finding panel - rather a venomous, witchhunting, rabid mob desperate to inflict maximum humiliation whilst pretending fine motives. Why else would Vas's WIFE be visually dragged into the humiliation process? Psychopathic.
Parent - By Ugh (*****) Date 2012-01-19 10:21
Ah, saw this in the ICGA Charter document for the panel .....

[h] The ICGA shall consider the reports and recommendations of the Panel and shall at its sole discretion decide upon what action if any should be taken. The sanctions that the ICGA might take against those found guilty of cloning or creating a derivative include but are not limited to:

Banning the guilty person(s) from participation in future ICGA events for any period deemed appropriate by the ICGA;

[ii] Publicizing, wheresoever it deems appropriate, the allegations and the names of those who have been investigated by the Panel and the findings of the Panel;


PR material "publicising" about the case to bring it to the attention of the press is "at the sole discretion of ICGA".

So, who was HW acting on behalf of? ICGA, Uniacke or himself? We can formally discount Uniacke and himself, because HW is bound by the ICGA Charter, he was doing ICGA panel business.
Parent - By siam (**) Date 2012-01-19 13:21
I was also wondering then and still am how one can come up which such a idiotic phrase....

Czech Mate?

And that from the country of John Cleese....
Parent - By Rebel (****) Date 2012-01-19 15:33
The cynical reality for me is that the wedding picture plus the Levy life-time ban plus Bob's argumentation here are the base of my change of heart in the matter. Normally I can see the humor of that, but I like to pass this time.
Parent - - By Lukas Cimiotti (Bronze) Date 2012-01-19 10:30

>he probably has a personality disorder


What about this one ?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Napoleon_complex
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