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- - By Uly (Gold) [mx] Date 2012-01-10 23:59
Well then Paul, this is our first real game, and I won't be experimenting this time so let's have fun! :smile:

1. e4

rnbqkbnr/pppppppp/8/8/4P3/8/PPPP1PPP/RNBQKBNR b KQkq e3
Parent - - By DGB (**) [pt] Date 2012-01-11 00:20
What's the time control?
Parent - - By Uly (Gold) [mx] Date 2012-01-11 00:26
No time forfeit.

But I think we're expected to play a move every 48 hours, though Paul is always much faster :smile:
Parent - - By DGB (**) [pt] Date 2012-01-11 00:35
I bet it's a sicilian. I've got some analysis in the open sicilians. Let's see.
Parent - By NATIONAL12 (Gold) [gb] Date 2012-01-11 00:35
wrong.
Parent - By Uly (Gold) [mx] Date 2012-01-11 00:39
I bet a Sicilian would have ended in a draw :smile:, let's see how this goes.
Parent - - By NATIONAL12 (Gold) [gb] Date 2012-01-11 00:39
i have no record of me playing sicilian as black,anything i have i am saving atm.:smile:
Parent - By Uly (Gold) [mx] Date 2012-01-11 01:16
Well, I think you played the Sicilian wing gambit from the black side, against me and deka, but that also doesn't count as they were thematic games :smile:
Parent - - By NATIONAL12 (Gold) [gb] Date 2012-01-11 00:35
1...e5
Parent - - By Uly (Gold) [mx] Date 2012-01-11 00:38
2.Nf3
Parent - By NATIONAL12 (Gold) [gb] Date 2012-01-11 00:41
2...Nc6
Parent - - By NATIONAL12 (Gold) [gb] Date 2012-01-11 01:08
now i have given you probs uly,do you want to play a Lopez against me of which i have some experience.:smile:
Parent - - By Uly (Gold) [mx] Date 2012-01-11 01:17
Yes, the Lopez it is!

3.Bb5

Just gets to show how inexperienced I am, I think this is my first time playing the Spanish as white! :lol:
Parent - By NATIONAL12 (Gold) [gb] Date 2012-01-11 01:30
lots of book though.
Parent - - By NATIONAL12 (Gold) [gb] Date 2012-01-11 01:46
3...a6
Parent - - By Uly (Gold) [mx] Date 2012-01-11 03:31
4. Ba4
Parent - - By NATIONAL12 (Gold) [gb] Date 2012-01-11 16:15
1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Bb5 a6 4.Ba4 Nf6

r1bqkb1r/1ppp1ppp/p1n2n2/4p3/B3P3/5N2/PPPP1PPP/RNBQK2R w KQkq - 0 5
Parent - - By Uly (Gold) [mx] Date 2012-01-11 16:31
5. O-O
Parent - - By NATIONAL12 (Gold) [gb] Date 2012-01-11 18:39
1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Bb5 a6 4.Ba4 Nf6 5.0-0 b5

r1bqkb1r/2pp1ppp/p1n2n2/1p2p3/B3P3/5N2/PPPP1PPP/RNBQ1RK1 w kq b6 0 6
Parent - - By Uly (Gold) [mx] Date 2012-01-11 18:47
Bb3

This one from memory :lol:
Parent - - By NATIONAL12 (Gold) [gb] Date 2012-01-11 18:55
1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Bb5 a6 4.Ba4 Nf6 5.0-0 b5 6.Bb3 Bb7

r2qkb1r/1bpp1ppp/p1n2n2/1p2p3/4P3/1B3N2/PPPP1PPP/RNBQ1RK1 w kq - 0 7
Parent - - By Uly (Gold) [mx] Date 2012-01-12 21:02
Anyway, after yesterday's night ride I found my variation :smile:

1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Bb5 a6 4. Ba4 b5 5. Bb3 Nf6 6. O-O Bb7 7. d3

r2qkb1r/1bpp1ppp/p1n2n2/1p2p3/4P3/1B1P1N2/PPP2PPP/RNBQ1RK1 b kq -
Parent - - By NATIONAL12 (Gold) [gb] Date 2012-01-12 21:28
7...Bc5
Parent - - By Uly (Gold) [mx] Date 2012-01-12 22:27
Yay! I was afraid you'd play the boring Be7 :wink:
Parent - By NATIONAL12 (Gold) [gb] Date 2012-01-12 22:34
no chance.:smile:
Parent - - By Uly (Gold) [mx] Date 2012-01-13 20:05
1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Bb5 a6 4. Ba4 b5 5. Bb3 Nf6 6. O-O Bb7 7. d3 Bc5 8. Nc3

r2qk2r/1bpp1ppp/p1n2n2/1pb1p3/4P3/1BNP1N2/PPP2PPP/R1BQ1RK1 b kq -
Parent - - By NATIONAL12 (Gold) [gb] Date 2012-01-13 21:14
8...0-0
Parent - - By Uly (Gold) [mx] Date 2012-01-14 22:03
1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Bb5 a6 4. Ba4 b5 5. Bb3 Nf6 6. O-O Bb7 7. d3 Bc5 8. Nc3 O-O 9. a4

r2q1rk1/1bpp1ppp/p1n2n2/1pb1p3/P3P3/1BNP1N2/1PP2PPP/R1BQ1RK1 b - -
Parent - - By NATIONAL12 (Gold) [gb] Date 2012-01-14 22:38
9...Na5
Parent - - By Uly (Gold) [mx] Date 2012-01-15 00:53
1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Bb5 a6 4. Ba4 b5 5. Bb3 Nf6 6. O-O Bb7 7. d3 Bc5 8. Nc3 O-O 9. a4 Na5 10. axb5

r2q1rk1/1bpp1ppp/p4n2/nPb1p3/4P3/1BNP1N2/1PP2PPP/R1BQ1RK1 b - -
Parent - - By NATIONAL12 (Gold) [gb] Date 2012-01-15 00:56
10...Nxb3
Parent - - By Uly (Gold) [mx] Date 2012-01-15 02:52
1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Bb5 a6 4. Ba4 b5 5. Bb3 Nf6 6. O-O Bb7 7. d3 Bc5 8. Nc3 O-O 9. a4 Na5 10. axb5 Nxb3 11. cxb3

r2q1rk1/1bpp1ppp/p4n2/1Pb1p3/4P3/1PNP1N2/1P3PPP/R1BQ1RK1 b - -
Parent - - By Turbo (***) Date 2012-01-15 04:35
So black seems to have easily equalized already by move 10 - not really what i would call a "Real Chess Challenge" ;-) - more a soft&warm pillow for NATIONAL12 to sleep on calmly. I didn't look at this position with my computer (which wouldn't be of too much help anyways as you guys easily have bigger hardware-resources), but i can't see any complications which white has set up and can't be solved... and white's mission in (correspondence) chess should always be to create complications...
Parent - - By Uly (Gold) [mx] Date 2012-01-15 04:36
You're just teasing around.
Parent - By Turbo (***) Date 2012-01-15 05:56 Edited 2012-01-17 01:33
Edit: Well, what advantage do you think white has in this position?
Parent - - By NATIONAL12 (Gold) [gb] Date 2012-01-15 10:42
11...axb5
Parent - - By Uly (Gold) [mx] Date 2012-01-15 18:10
1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Bb5 a6 4. Ba4 b5 5. Bb3 Nf6 6. O-O Bb7 7. d3 Bc5 8. Nc3 O-O 9. a4 Na5 10. axb5 Nxb3 11. cxb3 axb5 12. Rxa8

R2q1rk1/1bpp1ppp/5n2/1pb1p3/4P3/1PNP1N2/1P3PPP/2BQ1RK1 b - -
Parent - - By NATIONAL12 (Gold) [gb] Date 2012-01-15 21:24
12...Bxa8
Parent - - By Kappatoo (****) [de] Date 2012-01-15 21:31
Oh! I just remembered that this is Kasparov-Kramnik, from their WC match in 2000. After the game, Kramnik said 'black was always okay', while Kasparov claimed 'He was bluffing. He knows exactly that the ending is better for white.' or something like that. I am curious to see who was right. :)
Parent - By NATIONAL12 (Gold) [gb] Date 2012-01-16 00:04
improvements have been found on play in that game for both white and black.
Parent - - By NATIONAL12 (Gold) [gb] Date 2012-01-16 02:37
to give an example,nearly all GM games go  after 13.Nxe5 d5 with 50% from what i can see, a better move is an immediate  13...Re8 or even b4, after 13...d5 14.Bg5 Kramnik plays dxe4 and after 15.dxe4 everyone recommends including latest books  15...Qxd1 not good imho,have a look yourself.
Parent - - By Turbo (***) Date 2012-01-16 03:55 Edited 2012-01-17 01:34
Edit: -
Parent - - By Uly (Gold) [mx] Date 2012-01-16 18:18
I don't think it's good manners to affect the game with analysis.
Parent - By Turbo (***) Date 2012-01-17 01:39
Pardon, was only answering my thinkings (no analysis at all...) to NATIONAL12's lines... but edited it out for your convenience.
Parent - By Kappatoo (****) [de] Date 2012-01-16 11:13
I see. Then I guess the debate between the K's won't be settled in your game.
I am sure Kramnik had a good look at the endgame back then, so it's surely not so simple.
Parent - - By Uly (Gold) [mx] Date 2012-01-16 18:17
Haha! And I was preparing for d5 :lol:, well, here goes my move then.

1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Bb5 a6 4. Ba4 b5 5. Bb3 Nf6 6. O-O Bb7 7. d3 Bc5 8. Nc3 O-O 9. a4 Na5 10. axb5 Nxb3 11. cxb3 axb5 12. Rxa8 Bxa8 13. Nxe5

b2q1rk1/2pp1ppp/5n2/1pb1N3/4P3/1PNP4/1P3PPP/2BQ1RK1 b - -
Parent - - By NATIONAL12 (Gold) [gb] Date 2012-01-16 20:58
13...Re8
Parent - - By NATIONAL12 (Gold) [gb] Date 2012-01-16 21:58
wonder if Nelson could give us info on 13...Re8,it looks quite good to me.
Parent - By Nelson Hernandez (Silver) [us] Date 2012-01-16 22:21
47.2% with 61.1% draws. 

Much better than 13...d5 which is similarly drawish (58.0%) but offers black on 34.7% success, i.e. black hardly ever wins with that move.

The database is mildly disarrayed right now, undergoing an annual overhaul.  My fully-enabled commentary abilities should be back in service in about a week.
Parent - - By Uly (Gold) [mx] Date 2012-01-17 08:31
b4 seemed way too forced, so I'll go with this.

1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Bb5 a6 4. Ba4 b5 5. Bb3 Nf6 6. O-O Bb7 7. d3 Bc5 8. Nc3 O-O 9. a4 Na5 10. axb5 Nxb3 11. cxb3 axb5 12. Rxa8 Bxa8 13. Nxe5 Re8 14. Nf3

b2qr1k1/2pp1ppp/5n2/1pb5/4P3/1PNP1N2/1P3PPP/2BQ1RK1 b - -
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