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- - By NATIONAL12 (Gold) [gb] Date 2011-11-20 00:07
1.e4
Parent - - By Barnard (Bronze) Date 2011-11-20 00:19
1...e5
Parent - - By NATIONAL12 (Gold) [gb] Date 2011-11-20 00:23
2.Nf3
Parent - - By Barnard (Bronze) Date 2011-11-20 00:36
2...Nf6
Parent - - By NATIONAL12 (Gold) [gb] Date 2011-11-20 01:11
might have guessed you would play this.Going to sleep on it.
Parent - By Barnard (Bronze) Date 2011-11-20 01:13
Paul,im not playing for draw,even if is the Petrof opening,but if you think that,we can change the opening,so i change my move to 2...Nc6,you agree with it?
Parent - - By Barnard (Bronze) Date 2011-11-20 06:45
until tomorrow,i wont be able to log in here Paul,so i wont be able to answer you

as you think we are 'going to sleep',and i having not any special interest in that opening to play it against you(im not playing a tournament and i need force a draw with my latest game),is just i like that defense(you can ask Alan,he saw my score with black pieces,i have 65% of won games at LSS,so even with petrof,i dont play for draws)
i think we can change the opening to the 'spanish' opening,so if you agree,instead of 2...Nf6,think i made 2...Nc6,and answer to it,but please,if you preffer play the 'spanish' opening,when you post your answer,post a message telling 'changed move',so i will know that we are playing the spanish opening.dont worry,i dont mind if we play the spanish,and we are only at 2 move,so none is decided
Parent - - By Uly (Gold) [mx] Date 2011-11-20 16:08
I, for one, would like to see Paul busting your Petroff instead of this take back stuff :evil:
Parent - - By Mark Eldridge (****) [gb] Date 2011-11-21 11:24
+1

What is it with this take back stuff just get on with the game.
Parent - By Barnard (Bronze) Date 2011-11-21 19:41
i offered Paul if he wants to change the opening that i choose,because he seem thinks is a drawish opening,not more
Parent - - By Mark Eldridge (****) [gb] Date 2011-11-21 14:38
I have not played Paul or yourself for a while would any of you fancy a new game?
Parent - - By Uly (Gold) [mx] Date 2011-11-21 14:58
Sorry Mark, I'm already over the limit and trying to make space for Kamesh, but if you want I can put you on my list so we play as soon as possible (when I finish 3 of my current games).
Parent - By Mark Eldridge (****) [gb] Date 2011-11-21 15:07
No problem please put me on your ever growing list. Over to you Paul.
Parent - - By NATIONAL12 (Gold) [gb] Date 2011-11-21 23:39
Mark i will have to decline your offer,i am trying to catch up on over 200 CD's i have not yet listened to due to WBCCC.Forgive me on this one.:smile:
Parent - By Mark Eldridge (****) [gb] Date 2011-11-21 23:40
Ok no problem.
Parent - - By Barnard (Bronze) Date 2011-11-21 19:38
if Paul busts my Petroff,i will improve my chess...as i said you before Uly,i never learn from my winning games,i only learn from my lost games
Parent - - By NATIONAL12 (Gold) [gb] Date 2011-11-21 23:57
if i bust your line in Petroff it will be a bloody miracle.
Parent - - By Barnard (Bronze) Date 2011-11-22 00:06
it will make happy to Uly :smile:
Parent - - By NATIONAL12 (Gold) [gb] Date 2011-11-22 00:08
never mind Uly it would be happy to me.i will do my very best.
Parent - By Barnard (Bronze) Date 2011-11-22 00:22
same for me,i will do my best at our game Paul
Parent - By NATIONAL12 (Gold) [gb] Date 2011-11-20 18:58
thanks for the offer but lets stay with current game as it is.
Parent - - By NATIONAL12 (Gold) [gb] Date 2011-11-20 18:59
3.d4
Parent - - By Schachmatt (****) [us] Date 2011-11-20 22:00
White's best try for a win, although practically it's quite tricky. Nxe5, the simplest, leads to a +/= and other moves leads to nominal White advantages or equality.
Parent - - By Barnard (Bronze) Date 2011-11-21 19:54
the Petroff defense is underestimated...yes,'d4' is the best choice for white to play for win,but black also can play for win...or just play for draws.people that played whith me before,knows that i dont like play for draws,even playing 'quiet-drawish' defenses like the Petroff
Parent - - By Schachmatt (****) [us] Date 2011-11-21 20:53
If White plays for a small edge (in the Petroff via 3 Nxe5 5 d4 or 5 Nc3), a draw is most likely, if White plays for a big edge (in the Petroff via 3 d4), then Black will get his chances too - in correspondence chess.  So, yes, I agree.  And really only IMs and higher know how to play with the draw in hand in some parts of their repertoire in an over-the-board game.  I understand your position on draws, and I have avoided them to a fault on some occasions, I tend to favor positions with lots of dynamics and asymmetry and I play and have studied many opening systems and structures (to diversify I think beneficial and refreshing to long term chess improvement although these past few months trying newer positions for me have resulted in more losses than is normal for me), all of them in some detail except the Queen's Gambit and Zukertort positions.
Parent - - By Barnard (Bronze) Date 2011-11-21 21:21
totally agree with you...
i usually open my games with white pieces playin the Trompowsky atack,and with black pieces the Petroff defense...and well,i have a good score of won correspondence games
and about only IMs only knows how to play with their hands,yes,i also agree
i also like dynamic positions,but is suicidal from me,and having black pieces(and having an obsolete computer,a 5 years old dual core),play risky lines with black pieces that i cant manage...but even with that 'conditions' from me,i usually play lines sacrificing pawns,and lines that theory tells that are inferior,but i can atack,even at risk to fall in a inferior position...if Paul allow me,and even being the Petroff defense a 'drawish' opening,i will play for win,and if i find my way,i will sacrifife material for atack

p.s. sorry for my english
Parent - - By Schachmatt (****) [us] Date 2011-11-21 21:48
No problem, your English is not worse than my Spanish.  I like to play the Trompowsky on occasion with the White pieces, especially when Black plays 2...Ne4 or 2...c5.  My computer is also a 5 years old dual core.  Sometimes it is okay to take risks, Black can make a few slightly dubious moves sometimes and still draw.  Paul is quite strong as you know, I don't think he will give you the opportunity for initiative but we shall see, and good luck!
Parent - By Barnard (Bronze) Date 2011-11-21 22:05
thanks
usually people that want play active trompowsky's,to 2...Ne4 answer 3.Bh4,i preffer that move,more active,some people preffer play more solid and choose 3.Bf4
i have a lot Trompwsky opening games played(corespondence games),so i think i have a good experience on it
i know he is strong,and i doubt that Paul will make big mistakes,in fact,i really doubt that he will makes mistakes enough to allow me to win...but if i dont take risks,i wont be able to win,so i must take risks to take the initiative
Parent - - By Barnard (Bronze) Date 2011-11-21 19:48
3...Nxe5

     conditional: if 4.Bd3,d5 5.Nxe5,Nd7 6.Nxd7,Bxd7
Parent - - By NATIONAL12 (Gold) [gb] Date 2011-11-21 21:37
1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nf6 3.d4 Nxe4 4.Bd3 d5 5.Nxe5 Nd7 6.Nxd7 Bxd7 7.0-0

r2qkb1r/pppb1ppp/8/3p4/3Pn3/3B4/PPP2PPP/RNBQ1RK1 b kq - 0 7
Parent - - By Barnard (Bronze) Date 2011-11-21 21:41
7.Qh4
Parent - - By NATIONAL12 (Gold) [gb] Date 2011-11-21 22:38
good to see this sort of move,certainly not a drawing line.Rybka wants to play g3 here but that cant be right,why should white create a weakness in his pawn structure voluntary and leave his white squares weak around his king.
Parent - - By Barnard (Bronze) Date 2011-11-21 22:46
well,i told i dont play for draws :wink:

i havent rybka,but i must tell 'g3' seems a weak move...at my opening book is marked with '!?'(interesting),but i think that move weaks the white structure with no sense
Parent - - By NATIONAL12 (Gold) [gb] Date 2011-11-21 22:49
1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nf6 3.d4 Nxe4 4.Bd3 d5 5.Nxe5 Nd7 6.Nxd7 Bxd7 7.0-0 Qh4 8.c4

r3kb1r/pppb1ppp/8/3p4/2PPn2q/3B4/PP3PPP/RNBQ1RK1 b kq c3 0 8
Parent - - By Barnard (Bronze) Date 2011-11-21 22:59
8...0-0-0
Parent - - By NATIONAL12 (Gold) [gb] Date 2011-11-21 23:59
my next move could take some time,please bare with me.i think next move is very important in development of position.
Parent - - By Barnard (Bronze) Date 2011-11-22 00:12
dont worry Paul,take as much time as you need.position is too much complex than as simple look can seem,that is why i said to him that Petroff defense is underestimated
Parent - - By NATIONAL12 (Gold) [gb] Date 2011-11-22 00:17
in this position i trust book games as far as i can throw them.Nelson is well aquainted with my thoughts.It may well be drawn but i will give it my best effort.
Parent - - By Barnard (Bronze) Date 2011-11-22 00:32
i also trust book games,but i always try to find my own lines,or find new ideas/refute lines at books...at 99% of times,i cant do it,so i cant find new ideas,but sometimes i can do it
Nelson is always wellcome to post the percentage of games played
there are some interesting ideas at that position(for both white/black player),and not all of it are at book(at least at mainly book that i use)
Parent - - By NATIONAL12 (Gold) [gb] Date 2011-11-22 00:42
i said i did not trust book games.:smile:
Parent - By Barnard (Bronze) Date 2011-11-22 00:46
sorry,i didnt get your words,my fault :red:
Parent - By Nelson Hernandez (Gold) [us] Date 2011-11-22 03:31
White with 61.4% and 35.9% draws.  First seen in Short-Grushka, 1-0, 1981.  Nigel was just a lad back then.
Parent - - By NATIONAL12 (Gold) [gb] Date 2011-11-22 17:40
1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nf6 3.d4 Nxe4 4.Bd3 d5 5.Nxe5 Nd7 6.Nxd7 Bxd7 7.0-0 Qh4 8.c4 0-0-0 9.c5

2kr1b1r/pppb1ppp/8/2Pp4/3Pn2q/3B4/PP3PPP/RNBQ1RK1 b - - 0 9
Parent - - By Barnard (Bronze) Date 2011-11-22 23:35
9...g5
Parent - - By NATIONAL12 (Gold) [gb] Date 2011-11-22 23:42
1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nf6 3.d4 Nxe4 4.Bd3 d5 5.Nxe5 Nd7 6.Nxd7 Bxd7 7.0-0 Qh4 8.c4 0-0-0 9.c5 g5 10.Nc3

2kr1b1r/pppb1p1p/8/2Pp2p1/3Pn2q/2NB4/PP3PPP/R1BQ1RK1 b - - 0 10
Parent - - By Barnard (Bronze) Date 2011-11-22 23:47
10...Bg7
Parent - - By NATIONAL12 (Gold) [gb] Date 2011-11-22 23:55
1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nf6 3.d4 Nxe4 4.Bd3 d5 5.Nxe5 Nd7 6.Nxd7 Bxd7 7.0-0 Qh4 8.c4 0-0-0 9.c5 g5 10.Nc3 Bg7 11.g3

2kr3r/pppb1pbp/8/2Pp2p1/3Pn2q/2NB2P1/PP3P1P/R1BQ1RK1 b - - 0 11
Parent - - By Barnard (Bronze) Date 2011-11-23 00:03
11...Qh3

      conditional: if 12.Nxe4,dxe4 13.Bxe4,Bb5

  i was waiting that you played 11.Ne2,and i have prepared a piece sacrifice...the theory tells that is an inferior line,but i played sometimes it,and is playable
Parent - By NATIONAL12 (Gold) [gb] Date 2011-11-23 00:06
:smile:
Parent - - By NATIONAL12 (Gold) [gb] Date 2011-11-23 00:10
1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nf6 3.d4 Nxe4 4.Bd3 d5 5.Nxe5 Nd7 6.Nxd7 Bxd7 7.0-0 Qh4 8.c4 0-0-0 9.c5 g5 10.Nc3 Bg7 11.g3 Qh3
12.Nxe4 dxe4 13.Bxe4 Bb5 14.Bg2

2kr3r/ppp2pbp/8/1bP3p1/3P4/6Pq/PP3PBP/R1BQ1RK1 b - - 0 14
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