Topic Correspondence Chess / Correspondence Chess / NATIONAL12 Vs. Uly (Bird's Dutch Attack Challenge)
Good luck and have fun Paul! That's what corr chess is all about 
1. f4
My turn, let's take a look, the only analysis I have on this is what I play on the board.

1. f4
rnbqkbnr/pppppppp/8/8/5P2/8/PPPPP1PP/RNBQKBNR b KQkq f3
My turn, let's take a look, the only analysis I have on this is what I play on the board.
waiting.

Paul, i hope you're aware that Uly doesn't like (the pressure of) requested moves and a move-time of one year is pretty fine to him :-)...
maybe he wants to see how i am doing against keoki.

Paul and me have already played thematic games, and he knows I am very thorough in my analysis, specially when this is my first Bird opening and I have nothing properly analyzed. He knows at what pace I play, and that I'd never manage to play at his pace

i dont understand why this opening isn't played more often,it looks sound enough to me.Obviously engines dont understand early moves and you have to rely on book and ideas behind the opening such as white strategy of controlling black-squares.
after watching a number of your games,i wonder if you are tempted by the From Gambit. 1...e5.

Yes, I have a huge amount of analysis for 1.f4 e5, but only if you continue 2.e4 and then this is not a Bird's anymore 
So I'll be playing something else. I already know what but still want to take my time here since I don't like pondering

So I'll be playing something else. I already know what but still want to take my time here since I don't like pondering

doubt if i would play 2.e4,you could try it to find out.

as i said,i dont understand why this opening is not played more often.Black feels for gods sake i must be able to bust this but it aint easy,a recent idea is 1..c5 but hardly a bust.
in a serious match game i wouldn't even give away my thinking but this is what we all like about this forum,we can discuss ideas and decide between good and bad.
in a serious match game i wouldn't even give away my thinking but this is what we all like about this forum,we can discuss ideas and decide between good and bad.
After taking a deep look I'll say the Bird's is all fine, in the sense that white isn't in any trouble in anything. It's also a great opening that seems to allow the idea of the human to prevail, for what I've seen pretty much any move could be played and it allows plenty of freedom on move choosing. For instance, here I'm playing the move I liked to play, while in other openings like the Spanish or Sicilian the variations one can play seem more reduced (I'm talking about both white and black here, I don't think any player will be able to predict the other one's moves for a while).
1. f4 Nf6
As for why it's not played more often, on the positions I saw white doesn't seem to have as much punch as it does in other openings in the way moves are dangerous for black to play, but it's still early game and I can't say much about it after the few variations that I've seen.
1. f4 Nf6
rnbqkb1r/pppppppp/5n2/8/5P2/8/PPPPP1PP/RNBQKBNR w KQkq -
As for why it's not played more often, on the positions I saw white doesn't seem to have as much punch as it does in other openings in the way moves are dangerous for black to play, but it's still early game and I can't say much about it after the few variations that I've seen.
2.Nf3
i think you hit the nail on the head with your eval.i aint going to lose but their is little pressure on black and we will end up in drawn positions.
i now wish i hadn't played all those wing gambit games on corr forum.
i now wish i hadn't played all those wing gambit games on corr forum.
Well, it's too early to make any predictions on this game, though I agree in that probably I won't beat you 
Why? I enjoyed them very much as spectator and player.

>i now wish i hadn't played all those wing gambit games on corr forum.
Why? I enjoyed them very much as spectator and player.
yes i agree they were great games but it f...k.d me up for playing in wbccc.
The original plan was going for some Indian system but I don't think that was going anywhere 
1. f4 Nf6 2. Nf3 d5

1. f4 Nf6 2. Nf3 d5
rnbqkb1r/ppp1pppp/5n2/3p4/5P2/5N2/PPPPP1PP/RNBQKB1R w KQkq -
3.g3
Well, it seems there's only one good spot for my dark bishop, so:
1. f4 Nf6 2. Nf3 d5 3. g3 g6
1. f4 Nf6 2. Nf3 d5 3. g3 g6
rnbqkb1r/ppp1pp1p/5np1/3p4/5P2/5NP1/PPPPP2P/RNBQKB1R w KQkq -
4.Bg2
1. f4 Nf6 2. Nf3 d5 3. g3 g6 4. Bg2 Bg7
rnbqk2r/ppp1ppbp/5np1/3p4/5P2/5NP1/PPPPP1BP/RNBQK2R w KQkq -
5.0-0
1. f4 Nf6 2. Nf3 d5 3. g3 g6 4. Bg2 Bg7 5. O-O O-O
rnbq1rk1/ppp1ppbp/5np1/3p4/5P2/5NP1/PPPPP1BP/RNBQ1RK1 w - -
6.d3
At some point I decided this was going to be my move and nothing could persuade me otherwise 
1. f4 Nf6 2. Nf3 d5 3. g3 g6 4. Bg2 Bg7 5. O-O O-O 6. d3 Qd6

1. f4 Nf6 2. Nf3 d5 3. g3 g6 4. Bg2 Bg7 5. O-O O-O 6. d3 Qd6
rnb2rk1/ppp1ppbp/3q1np1/3p4/5P2/3P1NP1/PPP1P1BP/RNBQ1RK1 w - -
7.Nc3
1. f4 Nf6 2. Nf3 d5 3. g3 g6 4. Bg2 Bg7 5. O-O O-O 6. d3 Qd6 7. Nc3 a6
rnb2rk1/1pp1ppbp/p2q1np1/3p4/5P2/2NP1NP1/PPP1P1BP/R1BQ1RK1 w - -
looks a bit passive to me,i like attacking chess if possible therefore
8.e4
8.e4
1. f4 Nf6 2. Nf3 d5 3. g3 g6 4. Bg2 Bg7 5. O-O O-O 6. d3 Qd6 7. Nc3 a6 8. e4 Qb6+
rnb2rk1/1pp1ppbp/pq3np1/3p4/4PP2/2NP1NP1/PPP3BP/R1BQ1RK1 w - -
9.Kh1
1. f4 Nf6 2. Nf3 d5 3. g3 g6 4. Bg2 Bg7 5. O-O O-O 6. d3 Qd6 7. Nc3 a6 8. e4 Qb6+ 9. Kh1 d4
rnb2rk1/1pp1ppbp/pq3np1/8/3pPP2/2NP1NP1/PPP3BP/R1BQ1R1K w - -
10.Na4
1. f4 Nf6 2. Nf3 d5 3. g3 g6 4. Bg2 Bg7 5. O-O O-O 6. d3 Qd6 7. Nc3 a6 8. e4 Qb6+ 9. Kh1 d4 10. Na4 Qa7
rnb2rk1/qpp1ppbp/p4np1/8/N2pPP2/3P1NP1/PPP3BP/R1BQ1R1K w - -
11.e5
1. f4 Nf6 2. Nf3 d5 3. g3 g6 4. Bg2 Bg7 5. O-O O-O 6. d3 Qd6 7. Nc3 a6 8. e4 Qb6+ 9. Kh1 d4 10. Na4 Qa7 11. e5 Nfd7
rnb2rk1/qppnppbp/p5p1/4P3/N2p1P2/3P1NP1/PPP3BP/R1BQ1R1K w - -
12.b3
1. f4 Nf6 2. Nf3 d5 3. g3 g6 4. Bg2 Bg7 5. O-O O-O 6. d3 Qd6 7. Nc3 a6 8. e4 Qb6+ 9. Kh1 d4 10. Na4 Qa7 11. e5 Nfd7 12. b3 Nc6
r1b2rk1/qppnppbp/p1n3p1/4P3/N2p1P2/1P1P1NP1/P1P3BP/R1BQ1R1K w - -
13.Qe1
1. f4 Nf6 2. Nf3 d5 3. g3 g6 4. Bg2 Bg7 5. O-O O-O 6. d3 Qd6 7. Nc3 a6 8. e4 Qb6+ 9. Kh1 d4 10. Na4 Qa7 11. e5 Nfd7 12. b3 Nc6 13. Qe1 b5
r1b2rk1/q1pnppbp/p1n3p1/1p2P3/N2p1P2/1P1P1NP1/P1P3BP/R1B1QR1K w - -
14.Nb2
1. f4 Nf6 2. Nf3 d5 3. g3 g6 4. Bg2 Bg7 5. O-O O-O 6. d3 Qd6 7. Nc3 a6 8. e4 Qb6+ 9. Kh1 d4 10. Na4 Qa7 11. e5 Nfd7 12. b3 Nc6 13. Qe1 b5 14. Nb2 Qb6
r1b2rk1/2pnppbp/pqn3p1/1p2P3/3p1P2/1P1P1NP1/PNP3BP/R1B1QR1K w - -
i will move to left.
1. f4 Nf6 2. Nf3 d5 3. g3 g6 4. Bg2 Bg7 5. O-O O-O 6. d3 Qd6 7. Nc3 a6 8. e4 Qb6+ 9. Kh1 d4 10. Na4 Qa7 11. e5 Nfd7 12. b3 Nc6 13. Qe1 b5
14.Nb2 Qb6 15.e6
14.Nb2 Qb6 15.e6
r1b2rk1/2pnppbp/pqn1P1p1/1p6/3p1P2/1P1P1NP1/PNP3BP/R1B1QR1K b - - 0 15
1. f4 Nf6 2. Nf3 d5 3. g3 g6 4. Bg2 Bg7 5. O-O O-O 6. d3 Qd6 7. Nc3 a6 8. e4 Qb6+ 9. Kh1 d4 10. Na4 Qa7 11. e5 Nfd7 12. b3 Nc6 13. Qe1 b5 14. Nb2 Qb6 15. e6 fxe6
r1b2rk1/2pnp1bp/pqn1p1p1/1p6/3p1P2/1P1P1NP1/PNP3BP/R1B1QR1K w - -
16.Ng5
1. f4 Nf6 2. Nf3 d5 3. g3 g6 4. Bg2 Bg7 5. O-O O-O 6. d3 Qd6 7. Nc3 a6 8. e4 Qb6+ 9. Kh1 d4 10. Na4 Qa7 11. e5 Nfd7 12. b3 Nc6 13. Qe1 b5 14. Nb2 Qb6 15. e6 fxe6 16. Ng5 Rf6
r1b3k1/2pnp1bp/pqn1prp1/1p4N1/3p1P2/1P1P2P1/PNP3BP/R1B1QR1K w - -
17.a4
1. f4 Nf6 2. Nf3 d5 3. g3 g6 4. Bg2 Bg7 5. O-O O-O 6. d3 Qd6 7. Nc3 a6 8. e4 Qb6+ 9. Kh1 d4 10. Na4 Qa7 11. e5 Nfd7 12. b3 Nc6 13. Qe1 b5 14. Nb2 Qb6 15. e6 fxe6 16. Ng5 Rf6 17. a4 Rb8
1rb3k1/2pnp1bp/pqn1prp1/1p4N1/P2p1P2/1P1P2P1/1NP3BP/R1B1QR1K w - -
1. f4 Nf6 2. Nf3 d5 3. g3 g6 4. Bg2 Bg7 5. O-O O-O 6. d3 Qd6 7. Nc3 a6 8. e4 Qb6+ 9. Kh1 d4 10. Na4 Qa7 11. e5 Nfd7 12. b3 Nc6 13. Qe1 b5 14. Nb2 Qb6 15. e6 fxe6 16. Ng5 Rf6 17. a4 Rb8 18.a5
1rb3k1/2pnp1bp/pqn1prp1/Pp4N1/3p1P2/1P1P2P1/1NP3BP/R1B1QR1K b - - 0 18
1. f4 Nf6 2. Nf3 d5 3. g3 g6 4. Bg2 Bg7 5. O-O O-O 6. d3 Qd6 7. Nc3 a6 8. e4 Qb6+ 9. Kh1 d4 10. Na4 Qa7 11. e5 Nfd7 12. b3 Nc6 13. Qe1 b5 14. Nb2 Qb6 15. e6 fxe6 16. Ng5 Rf6 17. a4 Rb8 18. a5 Qc5
1rb3k1/2pnp1bp/p1n1prp1/Ppq3N1/3p1P2/1P1P2P1/1NP3BP/R1B1QR1K w - -
19.b4
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