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Parent - - By Prima (****) Date 2011-07-19 19:27
Did not realize I had an integrity :eek:

So thanks.

Yeah, until you created this 'Crafty-contains-Rybka-ideas/codes' claim, which is apparently false.

May you should try to get one of your own

Everyone has integrity from the on-set. It's usually the individual that has to either maintain or damage his/her reputation by words, actions, bearing false witness....
Parent - By Rebel (****) Date 2011-07-20 06:29
Allow me to wish you well.
Parent - - By michiguel (***) Date 2011-07-18 00:31

Are you claiming that the Strelka legacy did not touch you in any form, directly or indirectly? Are you saying that it did not affect the way you do things in Crafty, that nobody told you to apply something, and you did, and that something was based on knowledge obtained from Strelka? It is impossible to be so isolated and hard to believe.

I never studied other people's code but I still feel I am influenced.

If I understand correctly, the main original statement of Ed was the Vas legacy was ignored in the press, he was demonized, while other programmers benefited directly or indirectly from Vas' contributions (through other people's hacking of his code). I certainly support this statement.

Parent - By bob (Gold) Date 2011-07-18 01:48
That is exactly what I am saying.  All we have done for the past few years is tune what is there, in terms of search and evaluation.  Only idea I have heard mentioned from Robo* and friends was via a stockfish discussion way earlier this year, or last year, I am not sure which, dealing with tt-singular extensions.  I already had other types of SE code that had never worked very well, and I revisited that last year, to see if anything might have changed inside Crafty or if a modification to the old ideas might help.  And at that time, I tested the tt-singular idea in a lot of different ways.  Never found one that helped.  I commented the thing out in stockfish, and the Elo did not drop on a cluster run...

No other ideas from Robo in my code unless they were there before Robo came along and were copied by someone else along the way...

But here's the question, does someone's contributions outweigh their bad acts in such a case as this?  My answer is no.  I've seen a recent example of an apparently upstanding member of a church that had done lots of good for many years.  And a little "bad" in dealing with young kids.  To me, any kind of bad instantly trumps prior good or later good.  No idea if Vas is a bad or a great person.  But he cheated in events that I have been participating in for many, many years.  Cheating should never be ignored.  Nobody has called for him to be slammed in a jail cell.  Or his money/property to be taken.  Just a ruling that he did not follow rules, intentionally, and doesn't get to compete again.   Some act like this is the end of the world.  It is a small thing in a cosmic scale.  But it is important to some, those that actually participate.
Parent - By Rebel (****) Date 2011-07-18 09:22
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