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- - By NicVico (*) Date 2011-07-02 22:31 Edited 2011-07-02 22:34
Just read this at the talkchess forum: http://talkchess.com/forum/viewtopic.php?topic_view=threads&p=412962&t=39577

No wonder then that it gained 900 points in 3 years :grin:

I hope they will analyze it with the same meticulousness they reserved for Rybka or it has to win a world title first? :twisted:
Parent - - By NATIONAL12 (Gold) Date 2011-07-02 23:36
touche,lots of fun to me.
Parent - - By RFK (Gold) Date 2011-07-03 01:18
I was going to wait for more conclusive evidence. But perhaps this once again signals the need for an alternative venue other than the ICGA to run International Tournaments.
Parent - By tomgdrums (****) Date 2011-07-03 03:34
Richard was pretty forthcoming in his response.  And he has sent his source code (including that of 1.2) to various people so as of now I don't put much stock in Don's little sim tool for discovering cloning.

Especially in the knee jerk reaction days that are going on right at the moment.
Parent - - By Banned for Life (Gold) Date 2011-07-03 03:52
Don's similarity tool tells you when engines have similar evaluation functions. Having similar evaluation functions shouldn't be a crime though.
Parent - - By RFK (Gold) Date 2011-07-03 03:54
That's good to hear - these allegations are getting out of hand.
Parent - - By TheHug (Bronze) Date 2011-07-03 03:59
This maybe what we get to looking forward to for the next few months...
Parent - - By RFK (Gold) Date 2011-07-03 04:13
When you mess with Dharma it breeds bad Karma! We are going to see a lot more of this kind of recrimination.
Parent - - By Master Om (Bronze) Date 2011-07-06 01:15
Hey!!! U talking the Indian Way ?
Parent - - By Banned for Life (Gold) Date 2011-07-06 01:17
How, white man.

This is the indian way as I learned from watching westerns many years ago. :smile:
Parent - - By Master Om (Bronze) Date 2011-07-06 01:19

>How, white man.


White man ?

Indian way in westerns ? :confused:
Parent - - By Banned for Life (Gold) Date 2011-07-06 01:27
Sure, now they are called Native Americans. Remember Columbus was trying to find a shortcut to India, so when he hit land, the people were, by definition, Indians. :smile:
Parent - By Master Om (Bronze) Date 2011-07-06 01:29
Ya!!.
Parent - - By RFK (Gold) Date 2011-07-06 01:56
One has to know Abhidhamma along with Jungian psychology and the study of mythology to full appreciate what the hell goes on in this forum.
Parent - - By Master Om (Bronze) Date 2011-07-06 02:00

>One has to know Abhidhamma along with Jungian psychology and the study of mythology


:confused::confused::confused::confused::confused::confused::confused:
Parent - - By RFK (Gold) Date 2011-07-06 02:17
It isn't easy to understand -very Westernized! Lot's of mythologizing going on here!
Parent - - By Master Om (Bronze) Date 2011-07-06 02:23
You are really sideserious !!
Parent - - By RFK (Gold) Date 2011-07-06 02:51
What is side serious? You acted confused and down below I took the time to give you an explanation.
Parent - By Master Om (Bronze) Date 2011-07-06 06:17
Actually I was confused before who you are. Then saw your old name then I knew. :lol::lol:
Parent - - By InspectorGadget (*****) Date 2011-07-06 09:59
I'll be damned. Robert, how are you? :lol: So you changed your nick?
Parent - - By TheHug (Bronze) Date 2011-07-06 10:00
Its taken a while to catch on.
Parent - By InspectorGadget (*****) Date 2011-07-06 10:03

> Its taken a while to catch on.


Yeah! I haven't been visiting the site for a long time. I think I only came back 3 days back.
Parent - - By RFK (Gold) Date 2011-07-06 02:44 Edited 2011-07-06 02:46
Okay! Start with something very simple-

To be "Self - Centered"  is a good thing!  The differentiation of this would be identifying only with the ego- or, being "Ego Centric"

Society tells us that being  self centered is a bad thing. (it is all semantics-but semantic are important). Everything is turned around because society doesn't encourage  individuation. The ego is- if we have our crap together a periscope for the Self (big S). Unfortunately, for many people the ego is not attached to the Self and attaches itself to others for recognition- "I'll be for you whatever you want me to be as long as you like me." When the other stops liking them. They ask, "Why don't you like me anymore-I'll change-just tell me what I did wrong." This is an overly simplified example but it makes the point. In other words- they don't even know what it may mean to truly be themselves. 

Buddhist psychology has a great handle on this stuff and when studied along with certain other psychologies offer a great deal of insights into the human condition.
Parent - - By Master Om (Bronze) Date 2011-07-06 06:19

>Buddhist psychology has a great handle on this stuff and when studied along with certain other psychologies offer a great deal of insights into the human condition.


Perfectly Said. Have you read Mahabharata ?
Parent - - By RFK (Gold) Date 2011-07-06 07:03
The text more commonly known in this country is  the Holy Bhagavad Gita (and unfortunately has become associated with a group that is not much tolerated for their antics at airports)- then the text from which it came. I did become familiar Mahabharata years ago and its lessons regarding Dharma.
Parent - By Master Om (Bronze) Date 2011-07-06 09:14 Edited 2011-07-06 09:19
Bhagvad gita Is a part of Mahavarata where Krishna game insights on Karma and Dharma.



You can Have my simplified version if you want
Suggestions are highly appreciated.
Regards
Om Prakash
Parent - By RFK (Gold) Date 2011-07-03 04:25
Why don't we start banning chess engines that aren't clones-that might be a lot safer. We'd have a hell of a lot more chess engines to play with and only a select few given the heave ho.
Parent - By tano-urayoan (****) Date 2011-07-03 02:10
Why don't you quote Richard's response in the same thread? That post is wrong use and misinterpretation of Don Dailey's tool.
Parent - By Master Om (Bronze) Date 2011-07-03 02:10
Yes!!. You dont know ?. It is the clone of Critter1.01 :twisted:
Parent - By Uly (Gold) Date 2011-07-03 10:34
That thread came as a surprise, since I started using Critter 0.70 I've regarded it as one of the most original chess engines, in the move choice aspect.
- - By activethinker (**) Date 2011-07-04 18:07
CRITTER 1.2 is 50 elo above KOMODO and STOCKFISH in CEGT rating list.
Parent - - By NATIONAL12 (Gold) Date 2011-07-04 22:16
what on 1 cpu.please give link.
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