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Parent - - By Master Om (Bronze) Date 2011-07-15 13:17
Yes. And mine too.!!
Parent - - By NATIONAL12 (Gold) Date 2011-07-28 22:53
i met Petrosian at the 1973 European team championship held in Bath UK.he complained about hearing my camera clicking and distracting him.:smile:
Parent - - By Master Om (Bronze) Date 2011-07-29 02:13
Lol What kind of camera was that ?? . Petrosian was partially deaf and can hear your camera clicking ???
Parent - - By NATIONAL12 (Gold) Date 2011-07-29 07:17
Minolta SRT 101.
Parent - By Master Om (Bronze) Date 2011-07-29 08:42
That is an Antique!!
Parent - By Master Om (Bronze) Date 2011-07-03 02:48 Edited 2011-07-03 06:29
Few qoutes I found on him. (Tigran Vartanovich Petrosian)

"He is a fine and warm person who carries his responsible and high position as Champion of the World with great weight and dignity."  -  Gregor Piatigorsky

"Nobody likes to play a quiet positional game against the world champion."  -  Jan Hein Donner

"He is not the most talented or the strongest player but certainly the most inconvenient player in the world! His ambition is not to play actively, but to paralyse his opponents intentions."  - Mikhail Botvinnik

"Now how the hell can I be Petrosian's second if it makes me sick to watch how he plays?"  -  Victor Kortchnoi

"One cannot help but admire the devilish determination and ingenuity of this man."  -  Victor Kortchnoi

Its time for you to read.
Parent - - By sarciness (***) Date 2011-07-03 09:57
I thought that was Max Euwe?
Parent - - By Master Om (Bronze) Date 2011-07-03 14:18
Which one ?
Parent - - By sarciness (***) Date 2011-07-03 15:33
I was replying to your post saying that Petrosian was the least popular champion.
Parent - - By Master Om (Bronze) Date 2011-07-03 15:37
Oh . Yes. Many don't understand his Maneuvers . This thing is not going inside Tano's brain :sad:
Parent - - By tano-urayoan (****) Date 2011-07-03 15:55

> Oh . Yes. Many don't understand his Maneuvers . This thing is not going inside Tano's brain


Because you are mixing 2 different ideas (waiting for the opponent to blunder and his strategical style) again and again and again.
Parent - - By Master Om (Bronze) Date 2011-07-03 16:34
I am not Mixing it. His strategical style makes opponent blunder at some time. You are not understanding it again and again and again. Thats the Tigran's Nichevo Attack.
Parent - - By tano-urayoan (****) Date 2011-07-04 01:17

> His strategical style makes opponent blunder at some time


Now it is sometimes...Why didn't you write this at first instead of writing the nonsense that he just won because he waited for opponents to make mistakes. You could have written that his strategical style sometimes forced opponents blunders(which is still a simplistic analysis but more accurate that what you wrote the first time)
Parent - - By Master Om (Bronze) Date 2011-07-04 01:24

>Why didn't you write this at first instead of writing the nonsense that he just won because he waited for opponents to make mistakes.


That is what I said. That is why I said his style is dull and the most unpopular. If you dont get it then My post is obviously nonsense for you and I can't do nothing. Even I had highlighted that in my wiki post.
Just to prove yourself right you are not considering wiki which is 100% correctly written!! wtf   :mad::mad::mad:?
Parent - - By tano-urayoan (****) Date 2011-07-04 15:11
You said this: "Yes!!. His style was like that. Develops pieces and waits. If opponent  Blunders then Boom!!!"

Where in that sentence there is a reference to his strategical style?
Parent - - By Master Om (Bronze) Date 2011-07-04 15:13
Dont Act like a fool.
Our Discussion started from about Tigran's style which i posted in response to Uly's comments and you asked me why . I am talking to the context.
Why should i mention again ?
Parent - - By tano-urayoan (****) Date 2011-07-05 02:51
Your wiki quote explained his strategical and positional style of play, in your original post again you just mentioned that he just waited for opponents to blunder. Again from your first post where you mention that strategical and positional style the wiki quotes.

Besides your other contribution is calling Petrosian style boring :roll: which denotes your chess knowledge
Parent - - By Master Om (Bronze) Date 2011-07-05 03:13
I am not caling it boring. All do. Are you blind ?
Read the Highlighted terms  here in yellow then say . All the GMs who have played him has called him boring.
How can you challenge my knowledge when you dont know about him. You go and search and you will find every one who played him called him boring in that era.
Do your homework first.
Parent - - By tano-urayoan (****) Date 2011-07-05 12:30

> All the GMs who have played him has called him boring.


False statement
Parent - - By Master Om (Bronze) Date 2011-07-05 13:40 Edited 2011-07-05 13:46
Just the opposite. Don't behave like a blind. I have given you sources. Go n read.
By the  way DID YOU READ WHAT WAS WRITTEN IN YELLOW ?
Come to the point. Don't be afraid to be proved that you are wrong, B'coz you are wrong.
Parent - - By tano-urayoan (****) Date 2011-07-05 14:21
No I am not, you are being silly.
Parent - - By Master Om (Bronze) Date 2011-07-05 14:39
I have told you Many times. These are not my Views. The players at top level who have played them consider him passive, Ultranconservative hence unpopular as russians are more of daring players. And I have found the same. Majority is always granted.So i am No tsilly
With that respect your personal views are worthless in this context.
Parent - - By tano-urayoan (****) Date 2011-07-06 01:37
Which personal views? The only want offering false opinions here is you.
Parent - By Master Om (Bronze) Date 2011-07-06 02:09
U r countering  what i posted that he is unpopular WC. Right. U said in earlier post you didnot read UNPOPULAR.
Read GM Tolush comments after curacao Tournament here i.e. below  underlined in red.
Are u blind ? or not reading my posts and answering ?
Parent - - By Master Om (Bronze) Date 2011-07-05 15:08
Do you have any prove or just your kid brain ?

The best Book wriiten on Tigran is  :- Tigran Petrosian - His Life and Games - Vasilev. - Bratsford Chess,London.
Here is what its written.
Parent - - By tano-urayoan (****) Date 2011-07-06 01:33
The rest of the paragraph is more interesting, style is not important strength is and Petrosian was a hell of a strength player. Besides it says that Botvinik praised Petrosian style, where do you see Botvinik criticizing him?
Parent - - By Master Om (Bronze) Date 2011-07-06 01:45

>style is not important strength is and Petrosian was a hell of a strength player.


Did I deny that ?. How can I?. He was a Class player.
I posted Tigran's name when Uly commented on Houdini that it has a boring style , waits for opponent blunders then attacks severely.
They Have similarity. Houdini is the Strongest Engine on earth now. Still many here don't like it. Many dont understand his moves. Just like Petrosian. There is no thought that Petrosian was Tactical Genious. Thats why he sniffed opponent plans easily.

Note :- I am firm admirer of A.Nimzovitch. when teaching prophylaxis to my students I make them play Petrosian Games. As petrosian was a firm admirer of Aron. But my students Don't like those games. Rather They want Alekhine, Fisher or Keres games.
Parent - - By tano-urayoan (****) Date 2011-07-06 02:01
We agree at last :grin:
Parent - - By Master Om (Bronze) Date 2011-07-06 02:06

>We agree at last


Agree ????? I have been saying that from the very first post. I have studied him ,Morphy and Nezmetedinov's games more than anything.
Its your problem to understand what I replied to Uly's post.
Parent - - By tano-urayoan (****) Date 2011-07-06 04:22

>It seems to me it just plays solidly and waits for the opponent to make a mistake, then it heavily punishes it, it doesn't seem to me a Gambit engine at all.


>Perfectly Said. That is why GM Petrosiyan was the most Unpopular WC of chess


So you still say that Petrosian just waited for opponents to blunder. That is your first stament. After all you have posted you still adhere to that comment?
Parent - - By Master Om (Bronze) Date 2011-07-06 06:00
Yes. Thats the truth. That is why He was known as Ultraconservative player with the "Play safe" motto with draw in hand. That's is why he has most no of draws as a player but less defeat against best players like Korchnoi. He was not Like Tal King Hunter or with speculative sac. Was he ?
Parent - - By tano-urayoan (****) Date 2011-07-06 12:07
So where do you link his strategical style in all this verbose?
So you still claim he just waited for opponents to blunder? Yet none of the references you have quoted confirm this.
Parent - - By Master Om (Bronze) Date 2011-07-06 17:05

>So you still claim he just waited for opponents to blunder? Yet none of the references you have quoted confirm this.


What ?? None ? . Haven't you Read my posts ? what did i posted here from wiki ?
Parent - - By tano-urayoan (****) Date 2011-07-07 02:46
I said other sources not wiki yet none of the books you quote claim this: "he just waited for opponents to blunder" Tell me any of the books on Petrosian that say this please.
Parent - - By Master Om (Bronze) Date 2011-07-07 03:27
Read the wiki sources. They have been taken from them. read also the book by Vasilev.
Parent - - By tano-urayoan (****) Date 2011-07-07 04:09
Which page in Vasilev's book says Petrosian won his games because he waited for opponents to blunder?
Parent - - By Master Om (Bronze) Date 2011-07-07 04:14
You find out. See chapter 7 and 5 and Comments of GM Alexander Toulsh and Korchnoi.
Parent - - By tano-urayoan (****) Date 2011-07-07 04:21
This is from your early posts, Silman's reviews:
"Personally, my favorite Petrosian book is TIGRAN PETROSIAN: His Life and Games by V. Vasiliev (1974, 247 pages, English descriptive, hardback). The game selection and notes are excellent, and the biographical material is detailed and vividly brings the legend to life. Sadly, this one is also out of print and hard to obtain."

The book is unavailable. Why don't you put here the direct quotation from the book, or scan the page and attach it here like I did.
Parent - By Master Om (Bronze) Date 2011-07-07 04:23
Ok i am trying.
Parent - - By Master Om (Bronze) Date 2011-07-06 17:10
Now enough is enough. Stop behaving like a kid. I am now damn sure That you have no idea what you are talking about.

So i advice you read the book : Tigran Petrosian - His life and Games. The best book on him with manuscript by petrosian himself.
Read Chapter 5- Safety First , Page 56 and Chapter 7 - Tal comes and Goes , Page 87 ,
Then argue with me further.
Parent - - By tano-urayoan (****) Date 2011-07-07 02:47
Ok what you say about this:
Attachment: CampeonessobrePetrosian.JPG - World Chess Champions opinion on Petrosian (51k)
Parent - - By Master Om (Bronze) Date 2011-07-07 03:25
Sorry couldnot understand the language.
Parent - - By tano-urayoan (****) Date 2011-07-07 04:07
Well in short, NONE of the world champions called Petrosian boring or dull, they praise his style, personality and kindness. There is not the nonsense you keep repeating
Parent - - By Master Om (Bronze) Date 2011-07-07 04:12
You are just then giving one side of coin. See the other side. All appreciate him as he resembles capablanca style but still his style ultraconservative is boring. He is not a Romantic player. Even he himself thinks that( read the book by vasilev. His motto is Safety first. He is not like Tal is he ?
Parent - - By tano-urayoan (****) Date 2011-07-07 04:17
Ok Om, again where do you get this: "he just waited for opponents to blunder"
Parent - - By Master Om (Bronze) Date 2011-07-07 04:18
Parent - - By tano-urayoan (****) Date 2011-07-07 04:26
Again Wiki (you know wiki is not a good source of reference but here we go)... and you know you are a quoting an anonymous author who simply made an stupid comment of Petrosian style. Like you quoted earlier, his style is difficult to understand for common people. The author of this article fits this category.
Parent - - By Master Om (Bronze) Date 2011-07-07 04:30
Is GM Alexander Tolush Stupid ?
Parent - - By tano-urayoan (****) Date 2011-07-07 04:44
Tolush is the article of the wikipedia, where you see that?
Parent - - By Master Om (Bronze) Date 2011-07-07 04:47
No its from a book i have and i posted a cut copy.
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