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- - By Turbo (***) Date 2011-05-27 23:18
Have fun Jimmy!

1.e4 c5 2.Nf3 *

Thanks for playing a Sicilian with me, good luck to you too (not that you will need it!)!
Parent - - By keoki010 (Silver) [us] Date 2011-05-29 18:31
[Event "Corr"]
[Site "Rybka Forum"]
[Date "2011.05.29"]
[Round "?"]
[White "Turbo"]
[Black "The Hug"]
[Result "*"]
[Annotator "?"]
[BlackElo "0"]
[ECO "B27"]
[TimeControl "?"]
[WhiteElo "0"]

1. e4 c5 2. Nf3 *
rnbqkbnr/pp1ppppp/8/2p5/4P3/5N2/PPPP1PPP/RNBQKB1R b KQkq - 0 2


A couple of tips. :smile: If you paste the epd/fen in a post you will get a board.  In the opening you can press lookup button and you'll get some help from ChessOK openings, when you get down to 6 men on the board you can press lookup again and get results from 6 men TableBases at ChessOK.
Have fun... :grin:
Parent - - By Turbo (***) Date 2011-05-29 21:04
Thanks keoki for your kind help! Have clicked through a few games of yours and liked them!
Parent - - By keoki010 (Silver) [us] Date 2011-05-29 21:31
Ok, when you get through some of these maybe we can play a couple. :smile:
Parent - - By Turbo (***) Date 2011-05-29 21:33
Would be a pleasure for me! If you have time you could even set up a couple now (i have just two active opponents at the moment ;-))!
Parent - - By keoki010 (Silver) [us] Date 2011-05-29 22:10
I would love to but I have about 25+ active games right now.  Lets wait a week or so; OK? :sad:
Parent - - By Turbo (***) Date 2011-05-29 22:16
Nice!, wished i have these 25+ active games ;-)... yes, please drop a line in this thread when you're ready! Have fun!
Parent - - By TheHug (Bronze) [us] Date 2011-05-30 22:06
1. e4 c5 2. Nf3 Nc6
Parent - - By Turbo (***) Date 2011-05-30 22:16
1. e4 c5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. d4 (conditional: 3...cxd4 4. Nxd4) *
Parent - - By TheHug (Bronze) [us] Date 2011-05-30 22:17
1.e4 c5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.d4 cxd4 4.Nxd4 Nf6
Parent - - By Turbo (***) Date 2011-05-30 22:34
1.e4 c5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.d4 cxd4 4.Nxd4 Nf6 5. Nc3 *
Parent - - By TheHug (Bronze) [us] Date 2011-05-30 22:35
1.e4 c5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.d4 cxd4 4.Nxd4 Nf6 5. Nc3 d6
Parent - - By Turbo (***) Date 2011-05-30 23:32
1.e4 c5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.d4 cxd4 4.Nxd4 Nf6 5. Nc3 d6 6. Bg5 *
Parent - - By TheHug (Bronze) [us] Date 2011-05-30 23:36
This is my favorite and best system for black.

1.e4 c5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.d4 cxd4 4.Nxd4 Nf6 5. Nc3 d6 6. Bg5 e6
Parent - - By Turbo (***) Date 2011-05-31 00:06
Nice! I'm always prefering interesting openings&games over quick (computer-)draws!

1.e4 c5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.d4 cxd4 4.Nxd4 Nf6 5. Nc3 d6 6. Bg5 e6 7. Qd2 *
Parent - - By TheHug (Bronze) [us] Date 2011-05-31 13:17
1.e4 c5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.d4 cxd4 4.Nxd4 Nf6 5. Nc3 d6 6. Bg5 e6 7. Qd2 a6

r1bqkb1r/1p3ppp/p1nppn2/6B1/3NP3/2N5/PPPQ1PPP/2KR1B1R b kq - 1 8
Parent - - By Turbo (***) Date 2011-05-31 13:51
Regarding FEN: Thanks for the move-hint! ;-)

1.e4 c5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.d4 cxd4 4.Nxd4 Nf6 5.Nc3 d6 6.Bg5 e6 7.Qd2 a6 8.O-O-O *
Parent - By TheHug (Bronze) [us] Date 2011-05-31 21:15
1.e4 c5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.d4 cxd4 4.Nxd4 Nf6 5.Nc3 d6 6.Bg5 e6 7.Qd2 a6 8.O-O-O Bd7

r2qkb1r/1p1b1ppp/p1nppn2/6B1/3NP3/2N5/PPPQ1PPP/2KR1B1R w kq - 0 9
Parent - - By TheHug (Bronze) [us] Date 2011-05-31 22:01
I wonder which main line idea you will use here.
Parent - - By Turbo (***) Date 2011-05-31 23:18
Forgot my notebook at work (typing here with my netbook), i guess i wanted to play f4 but not sure, you will know when you wake up ;-)
As you told this is your favorite line, are there games of yours in this (sub)forum? :-)
Parent - - By TheHug (Bronze) [us] Date 2011-05-31 23:26
No and I haven't even played in at the WBCCC yet. I have a big custom book, of which I'm working on a manual book. My manual book is going to be a combo of engine matches while using higher depth eval and at that time I search for my own human moves for exploring. I have a long way to go with it for my taste. :smile: I also cross reference with other strong free books. It sounds hard to do, but it not to tough.

In truth this whole system maybe not the best compare to the najdorf lines, but the najdorf lines have been played some many times. I just like to try something else. :wink:
Parent - - By Turbo (***) Date 2011-05-31 23:56
Nice approach, i also wanted to start my own (OTB) book soon, will be a lot of fun! I currently just have an 8moves-book, everything else i analyze with my Rybka 2.3.2a and Stockfish 2.x and my OTB-experience/intuition.

Are there good (commercial) opening-books one does to have to be competitive?

Is Rybka 4 worth buying?

Thanks!

PS: When you think we both are young, does this mean all others here are old? ;-)
Parent - - By TheHug (Bronze) [us] Date 2011-06-01 22:10

>  Are there good (commercial) opening-books one does to have to be competitive?


Yes the commercial books are good. I think that there are a lot of good free books though.

> Is Rybka 4 worth buying?


Rybka 4 is very much worth buying.

> PS: When you think we both are young, does this mean all others here are old?


Well.... :lol: There is one guy that is just a couple years older than me (Uly) and after that it goes up. But they are all nice guys.
Parent - - By Uly (Gold) [mx] Date 2011-06-02 10:05
Youth is in the hearth anyway :smile:

When I have high age, my dream is to remain doing fun things with intense emotions no matter the age, Nelson's dream of getting kids off his lawn is not appealing to me.
Parent - - By Nelson Hernandez (Gold) [us] Date 2011-06-02 11:05
The little bastards!
Parent - - By Turbo (***) Date 2011-06-02 11:33
;-) Nice to see you opening EXPERT following our game, hope you provide your insights from time to time!
Parent - - By Nelson Hernandez (Gold) [us] Date 2011-06-02 12:16
I do, but this round I've been very busy on a database-related project that has left me sidelined.  I'll catch up soon, though.
Parent - By Turbo (***) Date 2011-06-02 12:32
Nice to hear Nelson!
Parent - - By Uly (Gold) [mx] Date 2011-06-02 12:23
You'd call them around here ¡Chamacos mocosos! :lol:
Parent - By Nelson Hernandez (Gold) [us] Date 2011-06-02 17:37
Snot-nosed punks!  Yes, that's a good one too!
Parent - By TheHug (Bronze) [us] Date 2011-05-31 23:31
You are very young, you are actually about one year younger than me. :lol:
Parent - - By Turbo (***) Date 2011-06-01 11:33
1. e4 c5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. d4 cxd4 4. Nxd4 Nf6 5. Nc3 d6 6. Bg5 e6 7. Qd2 a6 8. O-O-O Bd7 9. f3 *
Parent - - By TheHug (Bronze) [us] Date 2011-06-01 22:07
1.e4 c5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.d4 cxd4 4.Nxd4 Nf6 5 Nc3 d6 6.Bg5 e6 7.Qd2 a6 8.O-O-O Bd7 9.f3 Be7
Parent - - By Turbo (***) Date 2011-06-02 02:48 Edited 2011-06-02 09:38
Well, one would need to have a super-computer or infinite time to find here a good move, so i looked at the best five and chose the one i would play OTB! ;-)

1. e4 c5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. d4 cxd4 4. Nxd4 Nf6 5. Nc3 d6 6. Bg5 e6 7. Qd2 a6 8. O-O-O Bd7 9. f3 Be7 10. a3 *

Edit: wrong move-order

r2qk2r/1p1bbppp/p1nppn2/6B1/3NP3/P1N2P2/1PPQ2PP/2KR1B1R b kq - 0 10
Parent - - By TheHug (Bronze) [us] Date 2011-06-02 18:43
I'll let it go this time, but you did have 10.h4
Parent - - By Uly (Gold) [mx] Date 2011-06-02 20:45
*Crosses Turbo off potential opponents list*
Parent - By Turbo (***) Date 2011-06-02 23:50
I feel ashamed. :-(
Parent - - By Turbo (***) Date 2011-06-03 02:21 Edited 2011-06-03 02:25
Uly, you're right when you say that it was my mistake, i analyzed through the wrong game and misjudged the move-order, and therefore i offered Jimmy to chose the corrected 10. a3 or the original 10. h4 (i thought he hasn't seen it and was sleeping, else i would have asked anyways).

But please let me add:
- I'm sorry for my mistake
- I ALLOW all of my opponents to correct their moves as long as i haven't moved. That's because i'm interested in chess (not politics, or mistakes or punishing here someone).
- I'm interested in having a great and friendly time here

Betty

PS: Jimmy and i will spend a lot off time with this game, and -i guess- we both want it to get as good as it can get!
Parent - - By Uly (Gold) [mx] Date 2011-06-03 09:19
I lived this situation with Christian Packi, and he was very open about his mistake on the move, he was very rightful and I allowed him to take back and change his move. He wasn't secret about it.

What I dislike is that if you did it to me, I wouldn't have noticed, I would have played on as if nothing happened, and that's just wrong. You also lied about the intention of the edit, so what you did was deliberate, no excuses (the part when you edited the post to cheat and claimed the edit was for something else was not a "mistake").

Jimmy may not mind, but I have 0 tolerance (about everything, ask my friends, they know).

Anyway, it's not the end of the world that I won't play you ever, there are many people around willing, I just wanted to state it in case you would challenge me at some point, to save time, because there are precedents (e.g. with Sekos, that implied I was just playing unassisted engine chess while I was doing high interaction in our game, which offended me and I told him we would never play again).

Now, sorry for interrupting your thread, move along.
Parent - - By Turbo (***) Date 2011-06-03 11:30
Sorry, i wasn't aware that - in a friendly correspondence chess game on this forum - editing an non-answered move within reasonable time would be such an annoyance&afair (as i already said, i'm interested in having fun&good chess-games and not politics/exploiting mistakes/punishing someone), especially - as i already said too - i wouldn't mind when some would correct, even improve, non-answered moves in my friendly games. I made a mistake, my move was out of a variation with wrong move-order, it happened because i was aiming to provide everyone here an speedy game. Ok, i learnt to play much slower in future, and to ask in case of mistakes (hope you tolerate the 2min editing-frame in case of typing-errors!)... and no, noone has to ask my when editing his move as long as i haven't anwered, i let even take moves back when being asked!

So why in gods name do you use here terms like "lied", "deliberate", "no excuses", "cheat" and "0 tolerance"? Is this in relation where others - including me - would have just smiled over? :-) Jimmy indeed minded! - but in a way more (beginner-)friendly style.

Betty
Parent - - By Uly (Gold) [mx] Date 2011-06-03 17:38

> hope you tolerate the 2min editing-frame in case of typing-errors!


No. Imagine that you made some move and I saw it immediately, then I go offline, and analyze our game for 8 hours of interaction or more, and after finding the best move, I come back and find that you changed your move within your 2 minutes time-frame, and now all my analysis is wasted since I have no proof that you changed your move!

That's a reason why it would be unacceptable. Posted moves should be final, unless it's a mouse slip and you're asking for a take back (this is akin to moving the wrong piece in On The Board chess and then distracting your opponent to take it back and move a different piece without him noticing).
Parent - - By Christian Packi (****) [de] Date 2011-06-03 18:01
Chill Uly. She's young and she made a mistake. Even if she tried to fix it the wrong way it takes time to learn the house rules. My father's teacher used to say "Einmal ist keinmal, zweimal ist einmal zu viel." which translates to "Once doesn't count, twice is once too much."
Parent - By Turbo (***) Date 2011-06-03 21:55
Thanks for your kind words.

"House rules" is a good keyword, are there others i must be aware of? ;-)
Parent - By Turbo (***) Date 2011-06-02 23:14
I analyzed through a wrong game (9. a3 instead f3) and posted it, sorry for my mistake, i'm new to all this lines/FEN-posting and it was not my intention ;-)
Parent - - By Turbo (***) Date 2011-06-03 00:44
Jimmy, i gave 10. h4 a look in the right game and it is also very playable in this f3-variation (as someone pointed me out a3 is the mistake and h4 the right book move anyways?!), please forgive my mistake and choice 10. a3 or 10. h4. I'm sorry! :-(
Parent - - By TheHug (Bronze) [us] Date 2011-06-03 00:57
You can choice which move you want. Just let me know, mistakes happen. :smile:
Parent - - By Turbo (***) Date 2011-06-03 01:11
Jimmy, thanks for your kind understanding and warm welcome,  i felt this is a place with a lot of friendly people looking for a good game of chess and a joyfull experience. I wanted to offer everyone here a "speedy" game, and while clicking through my 6 games i looked into the wrong branch, i'm so sorry and never wanted to spoil our game here.
Parent - - By TheHug (Bronze) [us] Date 2011-06-03 01:51
So I guessing you want 10.h4 then?
Parent - - By Turbo (***) Date 2011-06-03 02:00
I would stay with my 10. a3, but as inserting&correcting my wrong game-post was my mistake you can also continue with 10. h4 if you want. I just want that you have maximum fun playing this Sicilian with me :-)

PS: Guess you would have played b5 in each case and we reach a transposition soon! ;-)
Parent - By TheHug (Bronze) [us] Date 2011-06-03 02:40
Oh ok we will keep it and it will be your 11th move next.
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