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Poll Who Will Win 2007 World Chess Championship? (Closed)
Anand 29 34%
Grischuk 2 2%
Kramnik 31 36%
Morozevich 4 5%
Gelfand 4 5%
Leko 2 2%
Svidler 3 3%
Aronian 11 13%
- - By FWCC (***) Date 2007-09-13 16:51
Who do you think will win the Championship?

Anand
Grischuk
Kramnik
Morozevich
Gelfand
Leko
Svidler
Aronian

I think the race will be between Anand and Kramnik though Aronian could make a good showing.Hard to tell between these great players.
Parent - - By Felix Kling (Gold) Date 2007-09-13 17:33
I would like to see Morozevich winning, he plays nice positional chess and plays the opening more interesting than any other top player.
If Topalov would play, he would be the favorite from my point of view, but in this torunament I guess either Anand or Aronian ist the favorite. But if Morozevich is in a good shape he will win :)

My personal guess for the final standings (if Morozevich is in a good shape :) ) would be:

1. Morozevich
2. Anand
3. Aronian
4. Kramnik
5. Gelfand
6. Leko
7. Svidler
8. Grischuk

I have to admit that a more realistic estimation would be to put Morozevich on place 4 :)
Anyway, what do you think? Would be interesting to compare your expectations
Parent - By Banned for Life (Gold) Date 2007-09-13 18:46
Felix,

I don't think you have a bright future as a handicapper. I'm guessing Morozevich will end up in the 50% that makes the upper 50% possible. I think Aronian has a good chance to win this, although Anand probably deserves to be the favorite. This type of match doesn't suit Kramnik well so he may end up with a positive score and still end up third or fourth...

Alan
Parent - - By Venator (Silver) Date 2007-09-13 18:55
1. Anand
2. Kramnik
3. Aronian
4. Svidler
5. Leko
6. Morozevich
7. Grischuk
8. Gelfand

First 3 pretty sure for me, although the places can be different.
From place 4 until 8 anything can happen :-)
Parent - By FWCC (***) Date 2007-09-13 19:09
Yes it seems to me Moro is a bit unstable at times.I think he has a harder time with top players than lets say 2600's.Leko will draw till the end,Grischuk maybe needs more experience,I agree with your top 3 starting with Anand.I would like to see Kramnik retain his title we will see and I hope he is healthy.
Parent - By Gryphus (**) Date 2007-09-14 20:38
concordo Jeroen
Parent - By turbojuice1122 (Gold) Date 2007-09-13 20:28
Here's my ordering:

1. Anand
1.5 (If he was there). Topalov
2. Aronian
2.5 (If he was there). Ivanchuk
3. Svidler
4. Leko
5. Grischuk
6. Morozevich
7. Gelfand
8. Kramnik

Of course, you can put number eight anywhere; I just put him there because I have so much contempt for him.  :-)
Parent - - By Hetman (*****) Date 2007-09-13 19:44
Hi,

I think that it will be the one from russian players.

As in the Quracao :-).
Rgds
Hetman
Parent - - By JhorAVi (***) Date 2007-09-14 02:52
1st round result: all games drawn (prematurely)    :(
How come they didn't implement the sofia-no-draw rules for such an important event :(
Parent - - By turbojuice1122 (Gold) Date 2007-09-14 03:08
Because then my "prediction" about Kramnik finishing last would actually come true.
Parent - - By Hetman (*****) Date 2007-09-15 14:06
I would like your prediction to fulfill but it is  being not probable, unfortunately. There is to much politics in the chess last time and I have reminded Quracao, where many observers has complained the 'team' play of some SU players.
It was the last candidates tournament in the old ages which was replaced by candidates matches in the next cycle. It was a good solution. It was avoiding the claims when there are many players from one federation in the tournament.

I think that the tilte shall be decided in the formula of the matches as it was on the previous stages of the current cycle. There are 8 players and it is easy to organize that in the cup schedule. I do not understand why here is the tournament - politics ? :-(.
Regards
Hetman
Parent - - By turbojuice1122 (Gold) Date 2007-09-15 15:52
It's possible; notice that Kramnik and Svidler agreed to a draw in the first round just as the game was starting to get interesting.  Yesterday, both of them fought very hard (though Morozevich "blundered" a won position on move 15 into a loss)--similar pattern that Fischer noticed (correctly) as resulting from collusion among the Soviet players.  However, let's take this with a grain of salt so far; I (currently) have much higher respect for Svidler compared with Kramnik, and I tend to think that he wouldn't get involved in that sort of stuff.  Of course, I would be crazy to "truly" think that Kramnik will finish last in this tournament.
Parent - - By Hetman (*****) Date 2007-09-16 08:27
We can observe the results of thouse players between themselves and the remainig 3 or 4 then compare.

Morozevich lost to Kramnik won to Svidler and is being on 50% so Kramnik is ahead due to the win vs Morozevich.
Anand is ahead due to the win vs Aronian.
There were the Fide rule used in old times which prevents the players form one federation to play in the final rounds but they were canceled.
I would like P. Leko to show himself but I am afraid of his  condition. There were comments that he is  overpushing in the games and if it is true it might be dangerous for him.

Rgds
Hetman
Parent - By turbojuice1122 (Gold) Date 2007-09-16 12:44
Yes, we should have all the results we need at the end of the tournament :-)  However, this doesn't really have the excitement that San Luis 2005 had, and it also seems to me that the quality of play here is a bit lower so far.
Parent - - By Lord Nemesis (*) Date 2007-09-14 11:42
The eight, because they just make draws...
Parent - - By Uri Blass (*****) Date 2007-09-14 16:41
I do not understand it

How Gelfand could miss Rxf4 with a clear advantage
It is an easy move to find even for me.

I wonder if the game score is correct because it seems strange that
both opponents could miss this simple tactics.

3: Anand,V - Gelfand,B, WCh Mexico City MEX 2007
3q2k1/ppp2pp1/3p1b1p/1b5P/4rPN1/1PP5/P1PQ1BP1/2K1R3 b - - 0 1


Analysis by Rybka 2.3.2a 32-bit :

22...Re4xe1+ 23.Qd2xe1 c7-c5 24.Ng4xf6+ Qd8xf6 25.Qe1-e3
  =  (-0.14)   Depth: 5   00:00:00
22...Re4xe1+ 23.Qd2xe1 c7-c5 24.Ng4xf6+ Qd8xf6 25.Qe1-e3 Qf6-f5
  =  (-0.14)   Depth: 6   00:00:00  7kN
22...Re4xf4 23.Ng4xf6+ Qd8xf6 24.Bf2xa7 b7-b6
  ³  (-0.70)   Depth: 6   00:00:00  14kN
22...Re4xf4 23.Ng4xf6+ Qd8xf6 24.Bf2-d4 Qf6-h4 25.Kc1-b2
  ³  (-0.65)   Depth: 7   00:00:00  21kN
22...Re4xf4 23.Ng4xf6+ Qd8xf6 24.Bf2-d4 Qf6-h4 25.Bd4xa7 Rf4-f5
  ³  (-0.64)   Depth: 8   00:00:00  31kN
22...Re4xf4 23.Ng4xf6+ Qd8xf6 24.Bf2-d4 Qf6-h4 25.Bd4xa7 Rf4-f5 26.Kc1-b2
  µ  (-0.71)   Depth: 9   00:00:00  46kN
22...Re4xf4 23.Ng4xf6+ Qd8xf6 24.Bf2-d4 Qf6-h4 25.Bd4xa7 Rf4-f5 26.Kc1-b2 Rf5xh5 27.Ba7-d4
  µ  (-0.71)   Depth: 10   00:00:01  81kN
22...Re4xf4 23.Ng4xf6+ Qd8xf6 24.Bf2-d4 Qf6-h4 25.Bd4xa7 Rf4-f5 26.Ba7-d4 Rf5xh5 27.Kc1-b2 c7-c5
  ³  (-0.64)   Depth: 11   00:00:02  159kN
22...Re4xf4 23.Ng4xf6+ Qd8xf6 24.Bf2-d4 Qf6-f5 25.Re1-e7 Bb5-d7 26.Bd4xa7 b7-b6 27.Ba7-b8 Rf4-f2
  ³  (-0.65)   Depth: 12   00:00:04  286kN
22...Re4xf4 23.Ng4xf6+ Qd8xf6 24.Bf2-d4 Qf6-f5 25.Re1-e7 Bb5-d7 26.Bd4xa7 Kg8-f8 27.Re7-e1 Rf4-g4 28.Ba7-b8
  ³  (-0.64)   Depth: 13   00:00:06  419kN
22...Re4xf4 23.Ng4xf6+ Qd8xf6 24.Bf2xa7 b7-b6 25.Kc1-b2 Qf6-f5 26.Ba7-b8 Rf4-f2 27.g2-g4 Qf5-f3 28.Qd2-d1 Qf3-b7
  ³  (-0.68)   Depth: 14   00:00:14  959kN
22...Re4xf4 23.Ng4xf6+ Qd8xf6 24.Bf2xa7 b7-b6 25.Kc1-b2 Rf4-f5 26.Qd2-d4 Qf6-d8 27.g2-g4 Rf5-g5 28.a2-a4 Bb5-d7 29.Ba7xb6
  µ  (-0.76)   Depth: 15   00:00:24  1685kN
22...Re4xf4 23.Ng4xf6+ Qd8xf6 24.Bf2xa7 b7-b6 25.Kc1-b2 Rf4-f5 26.Qd2-d4 Qf6-d8 27.g2-g4 Rf5-g5 28.a2-a4 Bb5-d7 29.Ba7xb6
  µ  (-0.78)   Depth: 16   00:00:39  2815kN
22...Re4xf4 23.Ng4xf6+ Qd8xf6 24.Bf2xa7 b7-b6 25.Kc1-b2 Rf4-f5 26.g2-g4 Rf5-c5 27.Qd2-d4 Qf6-d8 28.Qd4-f4 Rc5-g5 29.a2-a4
  µ  (-0.89)   Depth: 17   00:01:25  6335kN
22...Re4xf4 23.Ng4xf6+ Qd8xf6 24.Bf2-d4 Qf6-f5 25.g2-g3 Rf4-g4 26.Re1-e7 Rg4xg3 27.Re7xc7 Bb5-c6 28.Qd2-f2 Qf5xf2 29.Bd4xf2
  µ  (-0.78)   Depth: 18   00:02:52  11998kN

(,  14.09.2007)
Parent - By Hetman (*****) Date 2007-09-15 07:26
Gelfand is not being Rybka. Anand has missed sth too.

Rgds
Hetman
Parent - By j_futur (**) Date 2007-09-14 14:34
I think Kramnik will win. So Anand and Arinian have also good chance.
Parent - - By j_futur (**) Date 2007-09-14 14:37
I think Kramnik will win. So Anand and Aronian have also good chance.
Parent - - By Jack-Ireland (**) Date 2007-09-15 03:41
Just my 2 cents.
1.Kramnik 2. Anand 3. Leko 4. Aronian 5.Svidler.
Parent - By Hetman (*****) Date 2007-09-17 19:30
I can only place my wishes, I do not have the idea who will win :-). There are to many factors and the differences in playing strength are not so big.
I wish the win to P. Leko and V. Anand.
Rgds
Hetman
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