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- - By Uly (Gold) [mx] Date 2011-02-09 11:59
Everything that has a beginning has an end.

1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Nc3 Nf6 4. Nxe5 

r1bqkb1r/pppp1ppp/2n2n2/4N3/4P3/2N5/PPPP1PPP/R1BQKB1R b KQkq -


In other words, trick or treat YOU!
Parent - By Moz (****) Date 2011-02-09 17:47
Good luck. Have fun!

1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Nc3 Nf6 4. Nxe5  Nxe5
- - By Uly (Gold) [mx] Date 2011-02-10 01:55
1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Nc3 Nf6 4. Nxe5 Nxe5 5. d4

r1bqkb1r/pppp1ppp/5n2/4n3/3PP3/2N5/PPP2PPP/R1BQKB1R b KQkq d3
Parent - - By Moz (****) Date 2011-02-10 03:39
5...Ng6
Parent - - By Uly (Gold) [mx] Date 2011-02-10 06:54
6.e5
Parent - By Moz (****) Date 2011-02-10 19:26 Edited 2011-02-10 20:05
6...Ng8

Conditional 7.Bc4 d5 8.Bxd5 N8e7
- By Moz (****) Date 2011-02-10 20:00
I had initially planned to play 7...d6 but I think I'd like to mimic the line you played and deviate at a point where I felt like you might have missed an opportunity in our last game. I might be wrong - you may have analyzed it and decided it wasn't worth pursuing. Nevertheless, the character of the position should be quite different than our last outing so I think it will make for an interesting game.
- - By Uly (Gold) [mx] Date 2011-02-11 07:52
Will be looking for your deviation.

1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Nc3 Nf6 4. Nxe5 Nxe5 5. d4 Ng6 6. e5 Ng8 7. Bc4 d5 8. Bxd5 N8e7 9. Bg5

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Parent - - By Moz (****) Date 2011-02-11 17:55
1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Nc3 Nf6 4. Nxe5 Nxe5 5. d4 Ng6 6. e5 Ng8 7. Bc4 d5 8. Bxd5 N8e7 9. Bg5 c6

r1bqkb1r/pp2nppp/2p3n1/3BP1B1/3P4/2N5/PPP2PPP/R2QK2R w KQkq - 0 10
Parent - - By Uly (Gold) [mx] Date 2011-02-12 14:22
It's scary to be playing this side of the board, currently I'm killing all promising black variations that I find, will keep looking. Hopefully next moves from my side will be done faster unless you play a surprise move.
Parent - - By Moz (****) Date 2011-02-13 00:04 Edited 2011-02-13 00:07

> It's scary to be playing this side of the board, currently I'm killing all promising black variations that I find, will keep looking. Hopefully next moves from my side will be done faster unless you play a surprise move.


No rush, take your time.

It can definitely be a little scary playing the white of this! One bit of advice that I learned the hard way -- d5 is the critical move for white. Without it, white usually suffers. To a certain extent, it was even apparent in our last game where c4 -> d5 seemed to simplify matters greatly. It's like the center is a pressure valve and d5 the move that releases the negative tension.
Parent - - By Uly (Gold) [mx] Date 2011-02-15 09:39
Well, I have to make a move at some point so here it is. What is shocking is that I already have more positions analyzed for this move than for our last game :eek: This game is important to me, if you beat me it means I should change my whole analysis approach.

1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Nc3 Nf6 4. Nxe5 Nxe5 5. d4 Ng6 6. e5 Ng8 7. Bc4 d5 8. Bxd5 N8e7 9. Bg5 c6 10. Bb3

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Parent - - By TheHug (Bronze) [us] Date 2011-02-15 09:45

> if you beat me it means I should change my whole analysis approach.


How many times do think you have changed your approach?

I think you have more methods than anyone I have ever met. :lol:
Parent - - By Uly (Gold) [mx] Date 2011-02-15 09:57 Edited 2011-02-15 10:00
But all these methods use the same principle, and if that principle doesn't help me to win won positions such as this, back when I was on the black side, or not find the drawing line here, I'd need to scrap all of them and start from scratch. Last time I had to do that was when I moved from 1CPU to 4CPU, and my old approaches weren't working.

I do have an analysis method called "The Kitchen Sink", and I'm throwing it in this game, last time I felt like this was on my Poisoned Pawn challenge against Alkelele, but I managed to draw both games with it. Oh, how much I miss the Frankenstein Vs. Dracula times, those were simple variations in comparison! :eek: (EDIT - Or I blocked the memories :yell:)
Parent - - By TheHug (Bronze) [us] Date 2011-02-15 10:01
Well we will see how well my methods work :smile: there is a 95% chance I'm going to be sacking some pieces :smile: I guess we can call it "Throwing everything and the Kitchen Sink" :grin:
Parent - - By Uly (Gold) [mx] Date 2011-02-15 10:05
I would also be very amazed if you manage to draw your game against me :surprised:
Parent - By TheHug (Bronze) [us] Date 2011-02-15 10:08
Yes one can say I probably put to much time into my WBCCC games. I consider it a fun game, and will try to fight back and make it interesting anyway :smile:
Parent - - By Moz (****) Date 2011-02-15 17:51
Wow, I'm surprised about the number of positions you've analyzed. I guess you looked seriously at Be4..?  Or was it mostly analyzing the ramifications of Bb3?

1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Nc3 Nf6 4. Nxe5 Nxe5 5. d4 Ng6 6. e5 Ng8 7. Bc4 d5 8. Bxd5 N8e7 9. Bg5 c6 10. Bb3 h6

r1bqkb1r/pp2npp1/2p3np/4P1B1/3P4/1BN5/PPP2PPP/R2QK2R w KQkq - 0 11
Parent - By Uly (Gold) [mx] Date 2011-02-16 01:34
I had ten times more variations analyzed for Bb3 than for Be4.
Parent - - By Uly (Gold) [mx] Date 2011-02-16 22:56
And most of the positions analyzed turned out to be for a losing line... Well, at least now I won't play it.

1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Nc3 Nf6 4. Nxe5 Nxe5 5. d4 Ng6 6. e5 Ng8 7. Bc4 d5 8. Bxd5 N8e7 9. Bg5 c6 10. Bb3 h6 11. Be3

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Parent - - By Moz (****) Date 2011-02-16 23:37
1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Nc3 Nf6 4. Nxe5 Nxe5 5. d4 Ng6 6. e5 Ng8 7. Bc4 d5 8. Bxd5 N8e7 9. Bg5 c6 10. Bb3 h6 11. Be3 Nf5

r1bqkb1r/pp3pp1/2p3np/4Pn2/3P4/1BN1B3/PPP2PPP/R2QK2R w KQkq - 0 12
Parent - - By Uly (Gold) [mx] Date 2011-02-18 02:26
1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Nc3 Nf6 4. Nxe5 Nxe5 5. d4 Ng6 6. e5 Ng8 7. Bc4 d5 8. Bxd5 N8e7 9. Bg5 c6 10. Bb3 h6 11. Be3 Nf5 12. O-O

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Parent - - By Moz (****) Date 2011-02-18 03:49
1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Nc3 Nf6 4. Nxe5 Nxe5 5. d4 Ng6 6. e5 Ng8 7. Bc4 d5 8. Bxd5 N8e7 9. Bg5 c6 10. Bb3 h6 11. Be3 Nf5 12. O-O Qh4

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Parent - - By Uly (Gold) [mx] Date 2011-02-18 07:38
Phew! I was getting crazy with the possibility of 12...h5, that came late to analysis and seemed to disrupt my whole plan, I'm glad you're following my old mainline.

(I don't know what's up with me and ...h5 in these games)
Parent - - By Moz (****) Date 2011-02-18 18:58
Would you mind sharing your analysis for 12..h5!? Analyzing the HG is a hobby - I'll add your AN to my tree. :grin:
Parent - By Moz (****) Date 2011-02-18 19:09
I don't think h5 makes much sense from a human perspective. If it's good, it's only good in the way that a silly computer move can be good.
Parent - By Uly (Gold) [mx] Date 2011-02-18 19:26
Well, if this game ends in draw, and someone plays the Halloween against me again, I'd probably follow your moves and deviate with 12...h5!?

>I'll add your AN to my tree


You're probably not missing much anyway, I have 8 variations analyzed for h5 vs Qh4's 145 variations, I guess you'd probably find that laughable by the mass moves that you analyze with IDEA.
Parent - By Uly (Gold) [mx] Date 2011-02-20 17:20
1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Nc3 Nf6 4. Nxe5 Nxe5 5. d4 Ng6 6. e5 Ng8 7. Bc4 d5 8. Bxd5 N8e7 9. Bg5 c6 10. Bb3 h6 11. Be3 Nf5 12. O-O Qh4 13. Qf3

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- - By Moz (****) Date 2011-02-21 05:48
1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Nc3 Nf6 4. Nxe5 Nxe5 5. d4 Ng6 6. e5 Ng8 7. Bc4 d5 8. Bxd5 N8e7 9. Bg5 c6 10. Bb3 h6 11. Be3 Nf5 12. O-O Qh4 13. Qf3 Be6

r3kb1r/pp3pp1/2p1b1np/4Pn2/3P3q/1BN1BQ2/PPP2PPP/R4RK1 w kq - 0 14
Parent - - By Uly (Gold) [mx] Date 2011-02-21 19:50
I'm currently sick of sore throat illness, I think I'll take a break from corr chess until I've recovered. Sorry for the inconvenience.
Parent - By Moz (****) Date 2011-02-22 03:29
No problem. Take your time. Hope you feel better soon.
Parent - By TheHug (Bronze) [us] Date 2011-02-22 03:32
Get better friend :smile:. Round 2 will be here before you know it.
- - By Uly (Gold) [mx] Date 2011-02-27 23:57
Thanks Jimmy and Moz, I'm feeling better, now, let's see if I can save this game.

1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Nc3 Nf6 4. Nxe5 Nxe5 5. d4 Ng6 6. e5 Ng8 7. Bc4 d5 8. Bxd5 N8e7 9. Bg5 c6 10. Bb3 h6 11. Be3 Nf5 12. O-O Qh4 13. Qf3 Be6 14. Ne4

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Parent - - By Moz (****) Date 2011-02-28 19:58
1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Nc3 Nf6 4. Nxe5 Nxe5 5. d4 Ng6 6. e5 Ng8 7. Bc4 d5 8. Bxd5 N8e7 9. Bg5 c6 10. Bb3 h6 11. Be3 Nf5 12. O-O Qh4 13. Qf3 Be6 14. Ne4 Be7

r3k2r/pp2bpp1/2p1b1np/4Pn2/3PN2q/1B2BQ2/PPP2PPP/R4RK1 w kq - 0 15
Parent - - By Uly (Gold) [mx] Date 2011-03-02 17:38
1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Nc3 Nf6 4. Nxe5 Nxe5 5. d4 Ng6 6. e5 Ng8 7. Bc4 d5 8. Bxd5 N8e7 9. Bg5 c6 10. Bb3 h6 11. Be3 Nf5 12. O-O Qh4 13. Qf3 Be6 14. Ne4 Be7 15. c3

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Parent - - By Moz (****) Date 2011-03-02 18:07
1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Nc3 Nf6 4. Nxe5 Nxe5 5. d4 Ng6 6. e5 Ng8 7. Bc4 d5 8. Bxd5 N8e7 9. Bg5 c6 10. Bb3 h6 11. Be3 Nf5 12. O-O Qh4 13. Qf3 Be6 14. Ne4 Be7 15. c3 O-O
Parent - - By Uly (Gold) [mx] Date 2011-03-03 04:13
1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Nc3 Nf6 4. Nxe5 Nxe5 5. d4 Ng6 6. e5 Ng8 7. Bc4 d5 8. Bxd5 N8e7 9. Bg5 c6 10. Bb3 h6 11. Be3 Nf5 12. O-O Qh4 13. Qf3 Be6 14. Ne4 Be7 15. c3 O-O 16. Rae1
Parent - - By Moz (****) Date 2011-03-04 03:58
I'm going to make you work for that half point. Maybe I'm wrong but I suspect that this might be the point where our analysis differs significantly for the first time.

1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Nc3 Nf6 4. Nxe5 Nxe5 5. d4 Ng6 6. e5 Ng8 7. Bc4 d5 8. Bxd5 N8e7 9. Bg5 c6 10. Bb3 h6 11. Be3 Nf5 12. O-O Qh4 13. Qf3 Be6 14. Ne4 Be7 15. c3 O-O 16. Rae1 c5!? :eek:

r4rk1/pp2bpp1/4b1np/2p1Pn2/3PN2q/1BP1BQ2/PP3PPP/4RRK1 w - - 0 17
Parent - - By Uly (Gold) [mx] Date 2011-03-04 19:20
Heh heh heh.

I was ready for 16...c5, with a drawn line :cool:, now, just let me check it. Maybe I'll lose the game but I want to state that c5 did not surprise me.
Parent - By Moz (****) Date 2011-03-04 20:15
I think there's still a good chance to draw the game. It won't be easy but it looks like white ends up getting full compensation for the knight eventually and at that point I think the endings look much more drawish.
Parent - By Uly (Gold) [mx] Date 2011-03-08 00:16

> I was ready for 16...c5, with a drawn line :cool:


(that was busted afterwards...)
- - By Moz (****) Date 2011-03-03 18:49
I thought I had a clear path to a solid plus but there's too much insanity ahead for me to move with confidence so I'm going to take a couple of days to double check my analysis.
Parent - By Uly (Gold) [mx] Date 2011-03-03 19:22
Take as much time as you need Moz, it's only fair after I've been playing in slow motion. After my last analysis I'm confident that the current position is drawn with perfect play, white just needs to go into a path that leads to a fortress or to a drawn endgame. I was convinced when I saw a variation in where I could further sacrifice the exchange and still draw.

What I'm not confident is that I could play perfectly, but I'm doing my best.
- - By Uly (Gold) [mx] Date 2011-03-04 22:26
1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Nc3 Nf6 4. Nxe5 Nxe5 5. d4 Ng6 6. e5 Ng8 7. Bc4 d5 8. Bxd5 N8e7 9. Bg5 c6 10. Bb3 h6 11. Be3 Nf5 12. O-O Qh4 13. Qf3 Be6 14. Ne4 Be7 15. c3 O-O 16. Rae1 c5 17. Ng3

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Parent - - By Moz (****) Date 2011-03-07 23:53
1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Nc3 Nf6 4. Nxe5 Nxe5 5. d4 Ng6 6. e5 Ng8 7. Bc4 d5 8. Bxd5 N8e7 9. Bg5 c6 10. Bb3 h6 11. Be3 Nf5 12. O-O Qh4 13. Qf3 Be6 14. Ne4 Be7 15. c3 O-O 16. Rae1 c5 17. Ng3 Nxg3

Did you analyze 17.d5!? at all? That was the really crazy line I was referring to in an earlier post. It's much better than it looks at a glance -- only slightly worse than Ng3 according to my analysis.
Parent - By Uly (Gold) [mx] Date 2011-03-08 00:14

> Did you analyze 17.d5!? at all?


Yes, got pruned early. Only 0.11 worse than 17. Ng3 but went over the threshold of "probably lost", so Ng3 seemed forced. Once all my lines go "probably lost", I'll probably resign, things are looking grim...
Parent - - By Uly (Gold) [mx] Date 2011-03-09 00:34 Edited 2011-03-09 00:38
Well, apparently I can go as low as -1.41 and still draw, which just means I don't know how to approach this :eek:

Meanwhile, I have x6 times more moves analyzed for this than for fxg3, so I guess it's the most promising move.

1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Nc3 Nf6 4. Nxe5 Nxe5 5. d4 Ng6 6. e5 Ng8 7. Bc4 d5 8. Bxd5 N8e7 9. Bg5 c6 10. Bb3 h6 11. Be3 Nf5 12. O-O Qh4 13. Qf3 Be6 14. Ne4 Be7 15. Rae1 O-O 16. c3 c5 17. Ng3 Nxg3 18. hxg3

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Parent - - By Moz (****) Date 2011-03-09 00:54
hxg3 is the principled move (i.e. capture inward with pawns)

18...Qg4
Parent - - By Uly (Gold) [mx] Date 2011-03-09 06:13
Too much poison on b7.

1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Nc3 Nf6 4. Nxe5 Nxe5 5. d4 Ng6 6. e5 Ng8 7. Bc4 d5 8. Bxd5 N8e7 9. Bg5 c6 10. Bb3 h6 11. Be3 Nf5 12. O-O Qh4 13. Qf3 Be6 14. Ne4 Be7 15. Rae1 O-O 16. c3 c5 17. Ng3 Nxg3 18. hxg3 Qg4 19. Qxg4

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Parent - - By Moz (****) Date 2011-03-09 07:04
Agreed. Getting rid of the queens is much safer. Good drawing chances ahead.

1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Nc3 Nf6 4. Nxe5 Nxe5 5. d4 Ng6 6. e5 Ng8 7. Bc4 d5 8. Bxd5 N8e7 9. Bg5 c6 10. Bb3 h6 11. Be3 Nf5 12. O-O Qh4 13. Qf3 Be6 14. Ne4 Be7 15. Rae1 O-O 16. c3 c5 17. Ng3 Nxg3 18. hxg3 Qg4 19. Qxg4 Bxg4
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