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- - By Uly (Gold) [mx] Date 2010-11-22 07:44 Edited 2010-11-22 15:25
Using the rules from here.

Wow, it took more than two years but TheHug accepted to be the third player. One just makes a move normally, and adds the color of the board at the end of it (B for Blue, G for Green, R for Reed).

I'll try to paste a board with the current position after a move ASAP.

Turn order is Blue -> Green -> Red.

First player to checkmate another player wins.

Knight on center of the board only has 8 possible moves, but the Bishop can split its movement on two different directions from the center, so I think Bishops are more valuable than Knights in this version.

I sorted the opponents alphabetically but TheHug is willing to switch places with tomski if he wants to move first.



Good luck and have fun guys!, now decide who goes first!
Parent - By tomski1981 (*****) [ca] Date 2010-11-22 09:51
i'm very happy with the move order in the main title :)
Parent - - By tomski1981 (*****) [ca] Date 2010-11-22 09:53
i think this board looks fantastic...
Parent - By Uly (Gold) [mx] Date 2010-11-22 15:27
Thank you :smile:
Parent - By tomski1981 (*****) [ca] Date 2010-11-22 21:00
so i suppose it's TheHug's turn :)
Parent - - By tomski1981 (*****) [ca] Date 2010-11-22 21:49
one thing we need to do, is determine exactly how each piece can move. Bishop is pretty simple, even knight. But i think there may be a little trouble with the pawn (but maybe that's just me)... but definitely we need to determine how a rook and queen move. the examples they give do not suffice.

here is my question about a rook (it's the exact same question for the queen):

Q1)
assume a clear board and the rook on e1B.. as far as i can tell, it can travel to:
a) d1G
b) a4R
c) d1R

Am i correct? (please refer to their example of rook movement)

Q2)
assume a clear board and a pawn on e2B. First move it can go to e3B or e4B. Afterwards, assuming it's on e4B, can it move to....
a)d4G
b)d4R
?

assume pawn is on e4B, and opponents pawns on e4R and e4G and c4G, can it capture any of the three pawns?

At the moment, i believe the answer to all these questions is affirmative. However, it's not crystal clear, so i want to clear up as many issues now, as possible.
Parent - By TheHug (Bronze) [us] Date 2010-11-22 22:45
yeah, if you answer this. I'll make my first move. I was thinking about making a pawn move, but wanted to know about the pawn movement
Parent - - By Christian Packi (****) [de] Date 2010-11-22 23:09 Edited 2010-11-22 23:14
I don't think you can move to a4R with the rook from e1B. Imo a rook moves by crossing opposite lines of the rectangle. In your case it would cross two adjacent lines of the rectangle.

A pawn moves by crossing a line forward. So it could move to d4G but only take on d4R. It can also take on e4R, e4G, c4G.
Parent - - By tomski1981 (*****) [ca] Date 2010-11-22 23:44

> I don't think you can move to a4R with the rook from e1B. Imo a rook moves by crossing opposite lines of the rectangle. In your case it would cross two adjacent lines of the rectangle.


i agree that that is most logical. and that is what vytron seems to suggest when he gives the rules in the other thread of how the queen moves. however:

http://www.threechess.com/en/how-to-play-three-player-chess

example of how rook moves... why then is i5 (our d4R) highlighted as an option?

do we reject their rules, and play by our own logical ones?
Parent - - By TheHug (Bronze) [us] Date 2010-11-22 23:55
Yes that is what I'm waiting, my head is already going to explode with how hard this game can be :lol:. If it is going to blow up at least I would like to have all the rules down.
Parent - - By tomski1981 (*****) [ca] Date 2010-11-22 23:58
exactly ....

i'm really excited. i hope this won't be the one and only 3 player game of chess... perhaps afterwards, either we can have a rematch, or other players jump in and play.

i think Vytron has an advantage... we both need to build boards of our own so we can explore the many possibilities that may arise. i, for one, definitely cannot use my imagination to see very deep.
Parent - By TheHug (Bronze) [us] Date 2010-11-23 00:02
I have a lot of experience with that :lol:, but I was thinking of make shifting something together.
Parent - - By Christian Packi (****) [de] Date 2010-11-23 00:05
I think they're using another logic here. If you want to move diagonally you have to stay on the same color even if squares are corner to corner. That happens in the middle of the board where a diagonal changes colors. On the same note if you move straight you're color always has to alternate.
Parent - - By tomski1981 (*****) [ca] Date 2010-11-23 00:22
the diagonals can't change color in the middle, or their bishop example doesn't make sense. i get their logic... but i don't necessarily agree with it. it's not most logical, the way you explained it makes sense and that's how i would have done it.

so now we have to see, do we go by our rules, or their rules.
Parent - - By TheHug (Bronze) [us] Date 2010-11-23 00:24
I've been doing some reading on it myself and have found there can be different sets of rules for movement on three way chess or Yalta
Parent - By tomski1981 (*****) [ca] Date 2010-11-23 00:39
so let's come up with a system that works for us :)
Parent - - By Uly (Gold) [mx] Date 2010-11-23 02:04

> do we reject their rules, and play by our own logical ones?


I think we should reject their rules, on the basis that they are too warped and out of nowhere :eek:

I mean, from where their rook got that exta jumping move that adds two new paths?

They say:

>The rook may move as far as it wants, but only forward, backward, and to the sides.


Then they show the rook making a diagonal move and going back to lateral o_O

To make it clear:

Lateral moves are those where the squares' sides touch each other. Diagonal moves are those where the squares' corners touch each other. Which means, the bottom-left movement of the queen in their diagram, that first moves diagonally and then continues laterally would also be impossible.

I find the piece movements very easy to grasp, I wonder what's the logic behind their implementation.

I can make some movement diagrams if confusion remains, meanwhile:

>Q1)
>assume a clear board and the rook on e1B.. as far as i can tell, it can travel to:
>a) d1G
>b) a4R
>c) d1R


d1G is the only available square (with a1B and h1B), as in normal chess the rook can only move to its 4 laterals.

>Q2)
>assume a clear board and a pawn on e2B. First move it can go to e3B or e4B. Afterwards, assuming it's >on e4B, can it move to....
>a)d4G
>b)d4R
>?


Can only move to d4G, or capture on e4G, c4G (diagonal moves) or e4R (just like a Bishop from e4B could move 1 square).

I think I see how their moves could work, I can imagine that each has a half chess board separated, and that before moving one can paste it to the board of player A or the board of player B, before making a move, would explain how the pawn can move forward to d4R, it actually sounds like fun, we can try that after this game is over.
Parent - - By tomski1981 (*****) [ca] Date 2010-11-23 03:32
excellent.. if thehug is in agreement, and if he doesn't have any more questions, i say he moves first (because he's the best otb player!)
Parent - - By Christian Packi (****) [de] Date 2010-11-23 03:50
What's the evidence that moving first is a disadvantage in 3men chess? In standard chess it's considered to be a big advantage. :smile:
Parent - - By tomski1981 (*****) [ca] Date 2010-11-23 03:56
good point...

but you get 2 opponent replies to your one move... :twisted:

which seems like a disadvantage
Parent - By TheHug (Bronze) [us] Date 2010-11-23 05:35
It all sounds good to me. I'll move now
Parent - - By Uly (Gold) [mx] Date 2010-11-23 07:03

> What's the evidence that moving first is a disadvantage in 3men chess?


There's no evidence about anything, actually, I just realized TheHug can play e4B without much worry and it makes as much sense of a move as in normal chess, while tomski will have to make his first move with the mindset that queen and king and swapped, differently than normal chess, the move chose isn't trival.

As for me, I could need to defend from two different threats at some point by being two tempo down! So I don't think the first player is in disadvantage, if anything it would balance out with choosing a move after you know what was already played.
Parent - By TheHug (Bronze) [us] Date 2010-11-23 07:05
To be honest it looks fine. I almost played Nf3B, just as a passing move to see what you two do.
Parent - - By tomski1981 (*****) [ca] Date 2011-02-06 06:31
are we going to start a second game with Christian?
Parent - By tomski1981 (*****) [ca] Date 2011-02-06 06:31
or perhaps when Uly is more free.. i forgot about the tourney
Parent - - By Uly (Gold) [mx] Date 2011-02-06 07:13
Let's wait till this game is over first, Jimmy has yet to resign! :yell:
Parent - - By TheHug (Bronze) [us] Date 2011-02-06 07:20
Did I miss something? Were are we at with this game. Did we want to take back a move? I had thought you was done with it. But if you want to finish it. We can
Parent - - By Uly (Gold) [mx] Date 2011-02-06 07:30
Oh, I saw this below:

>If you wish to play Rxd3 than I resign to green as any move I make will lead to mate anyway.


But didn't take it like an official conclusion to the game (haven't seen any 0-1-0 result yet), I guess I can post an official PNG or something.
Parent - By Christian Packi (****) [de] Date 2011-02-06 14:53
I am ready guys. :smile:
- By TheHug (Bronze) [us] Date 2010-11-22 22:04
Yes Vytron this looks very nice. Now im not so sure going first is an advantage or just telling the players what im doing.:yell::lol:
- - By TheHug (Bronze) [us] Date 2010-11-23 05:38
Best by test (Fischer) But maybe not 3 way chess 0_o

1.Blue e4 let the craziness begin! :lol:
Parent - - By Uly (Gold) [mx] Date 2010-11-23 06:42 Edited 2010-11-23 06:47


Let's see what tomski does now, I think I have an idea of his plan :evil:

EDIT - No, wait, I actually have no idea :yell:
Parent - By TheHug (Bronze) [us] Date 2010-11-23 06:50
I had to just think about it form move 1 0_o, I may as well be playing blindfold chess :lol:
- - By tomski1981 (*****) [ca] Date 2010-11-23 09:59
1. e4B d4G
Parent - By tomski1981 (*****) [ca] Date 2010-11-23 10:02
i wonder if anyone can figure out the total number of possible variations after only 2 moves :eek:
Parent - By TheHug (Bronze) [us] Date 2010-11-23 10:03
That move makes sense to me. But if this was 2 man chess I could take it :eek:
Parent - - By Christian Packi (****) [de] Date 2010-11-23 16:18
I'm still wondering what the rules are on pawn taking. If red now plays d2-d4, green can take the pawn but blue can't? Or both can take it? If blue takes his pawn changes colors which is in contrary to standard chess. :confused:
Parent - - By Uly (Gold) [mx] Date 2010-11-23 16:33
Blue couldn't take it, the diagonals of e4B's Pawn are those corners touching other corners of the same color. A Bishop at e4B couldn't capture at d4R either, as that would allow changing color.

So, even though visually d4R and e4B are touching, rulewise they aren't (since it's neither a lateral or a diagonal) :smile:
Parent - By Christian Packi (****) [de] Date 2010-11-23 16:38
Wicked! :lol:
Parent - - By Christian Packi (****) [de] Date 2010-11-23 16:42
I think the third player has a HUGE disadvantage in this type of chess. After the moves played he can't play d2-d4 or e2-e4. It's like white would start a game with d2-d4 AND e2-e4. :smile:
Parent - - By Uly (Gold) [mx] Date 2010-11-23 16:53
Oh, but you see, now TheHug is facing a position that is as if he was facing an opponent that played b6, AND e5, but with king and queen reversed the natural Nf3B doesn't attack the e pawn as it's already defended.

So it's not looking that good for him either! :twisted:
Parent - By TheHug (Bronze) [us] Date 2010-11-23 22:09
You do make a point. But I played e4 to stop Green form playing e4. Plus even tho Nf3B doesn't hit anything yet. I can still can sac that pawn early for attacking chances.
- - By Uly (Gold) [mx] Date 2010-11-23 16:49
1. e4B d4G g3R



Total of possible variations: 8'000. Not that much, but will be about 64'000'000 when I finish my next move :smile:
Parent - - By TheHug (Bronze) [us] Date 2010-11-23 22:10
1.e4B d4G g3R 2.Nf3B
Parent - By tomski1981 (*****) [ca] Date 2010-11-23 22:32
1.e4B d4G g3R 2.Nf3B e3G
Parent - By tomski1981 (*****) [ca] Date 2010-11-23 22:26
can you do me a favor? can you post an image of an empty board? i'm going to get a massive neck injury if i will have to tilt my head to see from my 'green' perspective. :razz:
- - By Christian Packi (****) [de] Date 2010-11-23 22:55
This is awesome! Put me next on the list for playing! :grin:
Parent - - By Uly (Gold) [mx] Date 2010-11-24 01:22
Oh, I think it wouldn't be a problem to further deform the board to add a fourth, or fifth player... overkill much? :yell:
Parent - - By tomski1981 (*****) [ca] Date 2010-11-24 01:38
lol... i agree!

one of two things should happen... we either deform the board, and get Christian Packi in or the biggest loser (the one that gets checkmated) steps aside and let's him in...

in the event that two players are in queue, the winner stays and both losers step aside...
Parent - By Uly (Gold) [mx] Date 2010-11-24 01:50

> or the biggest loser (the one that gets checkmated) steps aside and let's him in...


Lol I like this one, a punishment for getting checkmated sounds about right! :lol:
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