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- - By Uly (Gold) [mx] Date 2010-09-24 22:34
So we can start the game already, good luck and have fun!

By the way can you tell me about my inquiry of 23...Nf8 on the line I sent by private message and whether you have a refutation? You don't need to show the line, I'd take your word, but depending on your answer I may play differently as soon as we get out of book.
Parent - - By TheHug (Bronze) [us] Date 2010-09-24 23:10
Yes your are right 23...Nf8 Is a good move, I came up with a line after 23.Ndb5, that lead to and interesting endgame imbalance with 3 queen side pass pawns. Were I had a Queen vs 2 Knights vs a Queen vs a Rook and a Bishop. I had about 0.25-0.35, depend on what engine you look at. Probably a win if play was carefully and micromanaged, but never the least no kill shot line. Keep this in mind the line I gave was a sample. vs 2 other defense I came up with the same idea with descent results.
Parent - By TheHug (Bronze) [us] Date 2010-09-24 23:14
My first move will be

1.e4

Best of luck to you, I hope I can make this interesting to say the less.

P.S. That line I gave you, you was the only person to see it.
- - By Uly (Gold) [mx] Date 2010-09-24 23:23
Yeah, thanks for the info, very useful for my metastrategy, I must be careful :smile:

1. e4 e5
Parent - By TheHug (Bronze) [us] Date 2010-09-24 23:27
1.e4 e5 2.Nf3

I think that is fair considering I have gotten to see all your games. I someway new so there is not a lot to go on for me.
- - By Uly (Gold) [mx] Date 2010-09-24 23:42
1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6
Parent - By TheHug (Bronze) [us] Date 2010-09-24 23:50
1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3.d4

You handle the Lopez and Italian pretty well, lets see what you have for the Scotch
- - By Uly (Gold) [mx] Date 2010-09-25 00:47
Ahh, the Scotch was "my territory" back on my 1CPU days, mainly because of the huge material I had analyzed about it for my OTB games :smile:, though of course that was with very old engines and slower hardware, but I'm going to like this, I'll still rely on my old preparation from those days.

1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. d4 exd4

r1bqkbnr/pppp1ppp/2n5/8/3pP3/5N2/PPP2PPP/RNBQKB1R w KQkq -
Parent - By TheHug (Bronze) [us] Date 2010-09-25 08:32
1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.d4 cxd4 4.Nxd4

r1bqkbnr/pppp1ppp/2n5/8/3NP3/8/PPP2PPP/RNBQKB1R b KQkq - 0 4
- - By Uly (Gold) [mx] Date 2010-09-25 08:44
1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. d4 exd4 4. Nxd4 Bc5
Parent - By TheHug (Bronze) [us] Date 2010-09-25 09:15
1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. d4 exd4 4. Nxd4 Bc5 5.Be3

Nb3 is interesting but I play main line for now. Glad you didn't play 4..Nf6, this feels like it has a lot more flexible for new ideas and creatively
- - By Uly (Gold) [mx] Date 2010-09-25 10:02
1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. d4 exd4 4. Nxd4 Bc5 5. Be3 Qf6
Parent - By TheHug (Bronze) [us] Date 2010-09-25 10:06
1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. d4 exd4 4. Nxd4 Bc5 5. Be3 Qf6 6.c3

r1b1k1nr/pppp1ppp/2n2q2/2b5/3NP3/2P1B3/PP3PPP/RN1QKB1R b KQkq - 0 6
- - By Uly (Gold) [mx] Date 2010-09-25 20:17
1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. d4 exd4 4. Nxd4 Bc5 5. Be3 Qf6 6. c3 Nge7
Parent - By TheHug (Bronze) [us] Date 2010-09-26 02:36
1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. d4 exd4 4. Nxd4 Bc5 5. Be3 Qf6 6. c3 Nge7 7.g3

r1b1k2r/ppppnppp/2n2q2/2b5/3NP3/2P1B1P1/PP3P1P/RN1QKB1R b KQkq - 0 7
- - By Uly (Gold) [mx] Date 2010-09-26 04:57
1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. d4 exd4 4. Nxd4 Bc5 5. Be3 Qf6 6. c3 Nge7 7. g3 d6
Parent - By TheHug (Bronze) [us] Date 2010-09-26 05:12
1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. d4 exd4 4. Nxd4 Bc5 5. Be3 Qf6 6. c3 Nge7 7. g3 d6 8.Bg2
- - By Uly (Gold) [mx] Date 2010-09-26 07:02
1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. d4 exd4 4. Nxd4 Bc5 5. Be3 Qf6 6. c3 Nge7 7. g3 d6 8. Bg2 O-O
Parent - By TheHug (Bronze) [us] Date 2010-09-26 10:07
1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. d4 exd4 4. Nxd4 Bc5 5. Be3 Qf6 6. c3 Nge7 7. g3 d6 8. Bg2 O-O 9.0-0

r1b2rk1/ppp1nppp/2np1q2/2b5/3NP3/2P1B1P1/PP3PBP/RN1Q1RK1 b - - 0 9
- - By Uly (Gold) [mx] Date 2010-09-27 00:26
1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. d4 exd4 4. Nxd4 Bc5 5. Be3 Qf6 6. c3 Nge7 7. g3 d6 8. Bg2 O-O 9. O-O Ne5
Parent - By TheHug (Bronze) [us] Date 2010-09-28 00:01
1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. d4 exd4 4. Nxd4 Bc5 5. Be3 Qf6 6. c3 Nge7 7. g3 d6 8. Bg2 O-O 9. O-O Ne5 10.Nc2
- - By Uly (Gold) [mx] Date 2010-09-28 11:05
1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. d4 exd4 4. Nxd4 Bc5 5. Be3 Qf6 6. c3 Nge7 7. g3 d6 8. Bg2 O-O 9. O-O Ne5 10. Nc2 Qg6
Parent - - By TheHug (Bronze) [us] Date 2010-09-28 14:39
1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. d4 exd4 4. Nxd4 Bc5 5. Be3 Qf6 6. c3 Nge7 7. g3 d6 8. Bg2 O-O 9. O-O Ne5 10. Nc2 Qg6 11.Bxc5 If dxc5 then 12.Ne3
Parent - - By TheHug (Bronze) [us] Date 2010-09-29 06:25
I'll be interested in what your plan here is. By the way just for a laugh, if your surprised I hadn't found a shock move yet. Just let you know that on move 9 I look at h4 in which the engines like h6 and on the engine I used before it liked g4 on the next move:lol::yell:. After looking at it for a while I rejected before I couldn't find a sound plan
Parent - By Uly (Gold) [mx] Date 2010-09-29 06:36 Edited 2010-09-29 06:41
I don't have a plan, I've got nothing :sad:, all my previous analysis focused on drawing the game as black, which was basically useless :lol:, but I learned I have to avoid playing the Scotch like this if I want to win from the black side.

You simplified in record time, so unless you're going to push forward for a win, you may get an easy draw...

I threw the kitchen sink at 10...g5, but I found nothing, perhaps that would have been a more interesting game, but I'm not ready for big stakes.

I'm going to accept your conditional, but I'm still deciding on my next move, I'm at crossroads.
- - By Uly (Gold) [mx] Date 2010-09-29 06:58
And here it is:

1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. d4 exd4 4. Nxd4 Bc5 5. Be3 Qf6 6. c3 Nge7 7. g3 d6 8. Bg2 O-O 9. O-O Ne5 10. Nc2 Qg6 11. Bxc5 dxc5 12. Ne3 b6

r1b2rk1/p1p1nppp/1p4q1/2p1n3/4P3/2P1N1P1/PP3PBP/RN1Q1RK1 w - -
Parent - - By TheHug (Bronze) [us] Date 2010-10-01 21:33
Sorry having computer problems and so other issues so I resign. When everything gets back in line I will sent you a message and hopful if you will want to play again some other time. When I can get back on.

Thanks for understanding,

Jimmy
Parent - - By Uly (Gold) [mx] Date 2010-10-01 22:02
No, sorry, resignation rejected! You can't throw all my analysis like that and I didn't spend all that time analyzing to "win" like this :razz:

I'll adjourn the game, we can continue it when things are in order on your side, otherwise the game would be meaningless.
Parent - - By TheHug (Bronze) [us] Date 2010-10-02 01:46
Sorry friend, don't take it like a slap in the face. If you felt like I did the last couple days you wouldn't feel like much playing chess.
Parent - - By Uly (Gold) [mx] Date 2010-10-02 02:08
I get it, I hope you resolve your situation, but if you're going to come back to play another game in the future, there's no reason to not continue this one. I'd have rather aborted the game, or accepted a draw request, but you resigning like that would have been unacceptable.

Good luck.
Parent - - By TheHug (Bronze) [us] Date 2010-10-02 02:31
Oh ok I understand now. Believe me when I say, I don't know all the right and wrong things about corr chess. I can understand its a bad idea to just resign out of the blue on someone that is probably putting a lot of time and energy into it. I don't know what slugdog thing was that was getting to him. But I guess you can say I know how it feels when something personal happens. When things came around I'll let you know. I hope what had happen today didn't make you to upset. Like I said I don't know out the in's and out's of things for corr chess. It was more of a knee jerk reaction. I consider you one of the cooler guys on the forum so sorry in advance. If It wasn't for being at a friend's house I wouldn't have said anything at all and I know that would have just been worst. So anyway good luck to you and all on the corr chess forum.
Parent - By Uly (Gold) [mx] Date 2010-10-02 02:45

> I hope what had happen today didn't make you to upset.


I just was disconcerted as this was really unexpected, but I can't get upset since I know the cause of all this was outside of your control. You have been a true gentlemen in all the conversations that we've had, and you played splendid moves that I couldn't complicate despite by advantage in hardware on this game, so all I can say is that I send my best wishes and regards, and thank you for your time.
- By TheHug (Bronze) [us] Date 2010-11-05 03:04
1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. d4 exd4 4. Nxd4 Bc5 5. Be3 Qf6 6. c3 Nge7 7. g3 d6 8. Bg2 O-O 9. O-O Ne5 10. Nc2 Qg6 11. Bxc5 dxc5 12. Ne3 b6
13.c4

Good luck again, I will finish this game

r1b2rk1/p1p1nppp/1p4q1/2p1n3/2P1P3/4N1P1/PP3PBP/RN1Q1RK1 b - - 0 13
- - By Uly (Gold) [mx] Date 2010-11-06 02:02
Welcome back :smile:

1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. d4 exd4 4. Nxd4 Bc5 5. Be3 Qf6 6. c3 Nge7 7. g3 d6 8. Bg2 O-O 9. O-O Ne5 10. Nc2 Qg6 11. Bxc5 dxc5 12. Ne3 b6 13. c4 Ng4
Parent - - By TheHug (Bronze) [us] Date 2010-11-06 02:06
Thanks, I had to get my old AN back on this game. This should be an interesting game. I'll looking at more positional ideas instead of tactical ones :wink:
Parent - - By TheHug (Bronze) [us] Date 2010-11-06 02:50
1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. d4 exd4 4. Nxd4 Bc5 5. Be3 Qf6 6. c3 Nge7 7. g3 d6 8. Bg2 O-O 9. O-O Ne5 10. Nc2 Qg6 11. Bxc5 dxc5 12. Ne3 b6 13. c4 Ng4 14.Nd5

14.Nf5!? would probably give me the exchange. But your play liked pretty good after that. I think if I had an advantage it would be lost if I played it.

BTW- If ...14.Nxd5 then 15.cxd5

r1b2rk1/p1p1nppp/1p4q1/2pN4/2P1P1n1/6P1/PP3PBP/RN1Q1RK1 b - - 0 14
Parent - By Uly (Gold) [mx] Date 2010-11-07 09:51
Yes, that was the idea, for the record I would have played Nf5!? if I was black, but I think it's more a matter of style.

Conditional accepted.

1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. d4 exd4 4. Nxd4 Bc5 5. Be3 Qf6 6. c3 Nge7 7. g3 d6 8. Bg2 O-O 9. O-O Ne5 10. Nc2 Qg6 11. Bxc5 dxc5 12. Ne3 b6 13. c4 Ng4 14. Nd5 Nxd5 15. cxd5

My turn again.
Parent - - By Uly (Gold) [mx] Date 2010-11-08 01:03
I'm seeing a bit of negative evaluation scores, let's see if I can squeeze something out of it.

1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. d4 exd4 4. Nxd4 Bc5 5. Be3 Qf6 6. c3 Nge7 7. g3 d6 8. Bg2 O-O 9. O-O Ne5 10. Nc2 Qg6 11. Bxc5 dxc5 12. Ne3 b6 13. c4 Ng4 14. Nd5 Nxd5 15. cxd5 f5
Parent - - By TheHug (Bronze) [us] Date 2010-11-08 02:53
wow, credit to you. I thought for sure Ba6 was your move. I guess 14.Nf5 was the best move. I thought given up the light bishop would be a bad idea. This isn't looking that great either.
Parent - - By TheHug (Bronze) [us] Date 2010-11-08 02:57
After ...14.Ba6 for you. I found a lot of good moves. But I have to say the engines are going crazy over your move.
Parent - - By TheHug (Bronze) [us] Date 2010-11-08 03:55 Edited 2010-11-08 04:03
1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. d4 exd4 4. Nxd4 Bc5 5. Be3 Qf6 6. c3 Nge7 7. g3 d6 8. Bg2 O-O 9. O-O Ne5 10. Nc2 Qg6 11. Bxc5 dxc5 12. Ne3 b6 13. c4 Ng4 14. Nd5 Nxd5 15. cxd5 f5 16.e5

r1b2rk1/p1p3pp/1p4q1/2pPPp2/6n1/6P1/PP3PBP/RN1Q1RK1 b - - 0 16


Lots of crazy lines, I think it can be a draw. Unless again I miss something obvious.
Parent - - By Uly (Gold) [mx] Date 2010-11-09 01:23
I was expecting 16.d6 but I like how the evaluations keep raising :smile:

1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. d4 exd4 4. Nxd4 Bc5 5. Be3 Qf6 6. c3 Nge7 7. g3 d6 8. Bg2 O-O 9. O-O Ne5 10. Nc2 Qg6 11. Bxc5 dxc5 12. Ne3 b6 13. c4 Ng4 14. Nd5 Nxd5 15. cxd5 f5 16. e5 f4

r1b2rk1/p1p3pp/1p4q1/2pPP3/5pn1/6P1/PP3PBP/RN1Q1RK1 w - -
Parent - - By TheHug (Bronze) [us] Date 2010-11-09 05:57
how nice I blundered twice in a row :smile:

I missed the following line. I'm guessing you seen it in your AN

r1b2rk1/p1p3pp/1p4q1/2pPP3/5pn1/6P1/PP3PBP/RN1Q1RK1 w - - 0 17


17.e6 Ba6 18.Re1 fxg3 19.fxg3 Rf2 20.Bh3- I thought this holds after Rf4 I take the knight, but I missed 20.Nxh2!

r5k1/p1p3pp/bp2P1q1/2pP4/8/6PB/PP3r1n/RN1QR1K1 w - - 0 21


I would be lying to you if I said I didn't felt like a donk right now.

Oh well I'll play 17.e6 anyway, see if I can't engineer something out of this.

r1b2rk1/p1p3pp/1p2P1q1/2pP4/5pn1/6P1/PP3PBP/RN1Q1RK1 b - - 0 17
Parent - - By Uly (Gold) [mx] Date 2010-11-10 05:14
I wouldn't say that you've blundered twice, by following the lines I eventually hit a wall of 0.00's, and I must be careful with my analysis as it's very easy to fall for self-refutation.

1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. d4 exd4 4. Nxd4 Bc5 5. Be3 Qf6 6. c3 Nge7 7. g3 d6 8. Bg2 O-O 9. O-O Ne5 10. Nc2 Qg6 11. Bxc5 dxc5 12. Ne3 b6 13. c4 Ng4 14. Nd5 Nxd5 15. cxd5 f5 16. e5 f4 17. e6 Ba6
Parent - - By TheHug (Bronze) [us] Date 2010-11-10 16:01
1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. d4 exd4 4. Nxd4 Bc5 5. Be3 Qf6 6. c3 Nge7 7. g3 d6 8. Bg2 O-O 9. O-O Ne5 10. Nc2 Qg6 11. Bxc5 dxc5 12. Ne3 b6 13. c4 Ng4 14. Nd5 Nxd5 15. cxd5 f5 16. e5 f4 17. e6 Ba6 18.Re1

r4rk1/p1p3pp/bp2P1q1/2pP4/5pn1/6P1/PP3PBP/RN1QR1K1 b - - 0 18


A little scary after showing you above line.
Parent - - By Uly (Gold) [mx] Date 2010-11-11 02:44
1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. d4 exd4 4. Nxd4 Bc5 5. Be3 Qf6 6. c3 Nge7 7. g3 d6 8. Bg2 O-O 9. O-O Ne5 10. Nc2 Qg6 11. Bxc5 dxc5 12. Ne3 b6 13. c4 Ng4 14. Nd5 Nxd5 15. cxd5 f5 16. e5 f4 17. e6 Ba6 18. Re1 fxg3

r4rk1/p1p3pp/bp2P1q1/2pP4/6n1/6p1/PP3PBP/RN1QR1K1 w - -
Parent - - By TheHug (Bronze) [us] Date 2010-11-11 02:46
19. fxg3
Parent - By TheHug (Bronze) [us] Date 2010-11-11 02:48
I look at ..18.Nxf2 for a while. I think it may have lead to a forceful draw. But my guess is that with the reading you are getting you are going for the win.
Parent - - By Uly (Gold) [mx] Date 2010-11-11 03:11
1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. d4 exd4 4. Nxd4 Bc5 5. Be3 Qf6 6. c3 Nge7 7. g3 d6 8. Bg2 O-O 9. O-O Ne5 10. Nc2 Qg6 11. Bxc5 dxc5 12. Ne3 b6 13. c4 Ng4 14. Nd5 Nxd5 15. cxd5 f5 16. e5 f4 17. e6 Ba6 18. Re1 fxg3 19. fxg3 Rf2
Parent - By TheHug (Bronze) [us] Date 2010-11-11 04:18
Posting my move to the left
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