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Poll Who interface you consider best? (Closed)
Aquarium 23 22%
Aquarium/ChessAssistant 7 7%
Fritz 19 18%
Fritz/Chessbase 28 27%
Shredder Classic 12 12%
Arena 10 10%
Winboard 1 1%
Other (you say who) 4 4%
- - By Aggelos-Kefalonian (**) Date 2010-09-22 18:06
I closed the previous vote because they were incomplete and added new options.
Vote for more interface is the best take advantage of the capabilities of engines especially Deep Rybka 4.
Parent - - By RFK (Gold) Date 2010-09-22 20:02 Edited 2010-09-22 20:04
I'd like to see this poll repeated after the next generation of Aquarium hits the street. It uses far less system resources than does Fritz- and offers more significant GUI options. What is not consistent in this poll is the admixture of databases along with GUI's. You need to have two separate polls or suggest more than one vote allowed.
Parent - - By Banned for Life (Gold) Date 2010-09-22 20:38
I'd like to see this poll repeated on a forum that has more than three readers! :twisted:
Parent - - By BigBen (****) Date 2010-09-23 06:17

>I'd like to see this poll repeated on a forum that has more than three readers!


:lol::evil::twisted: You left out there pets :razz:

Regards
Parent - - By RFK (Gold) Date 2010-09-24 03:14
Some of us have pets- while others have a block of wood!:razz:
Parent - - By BigBen (****) Date 2010-09-24 06:02

>Some of us have pets- while others have a block of wood!


:razz: I have both in fact although the block of wood does not attack my feet from under the bed, nothing like sharp claws on bare skin to wake you up first thing in the morning :yell::twisted:

On the GUI debate I like the Fritz\Chessbase stuff, I tend to use Chessbase 10 mainly (may get CB 11) I also like the Shredder Classic for its simplicity .... As for Aquarium, a wonderful concept and very powerful but poor in the ease of use department, the same IMO can be said for chess asisstant. I still use the origunal Aquarium at times but am STILL having to wait for the 4.06 update before I give the 2010 version another go. I do not have the time these days to learn the in and outs so need it to be a painless experience lol

Regards
Parent - - By RFK (Gold) Date 2010-09-24 19:47 Edited 2010-09-24 19:50

> I still use the origunal Aquarium


But of course you do?!:twisted: Hey, just for the record! Did your cat piss on anything that was on top of that block of wood?
Parent - - By BigBen (****) Date 2010-09-25 06:41

>But of course you do?! Hey, just for the record! Did your cat piss on anything that was on top of that block of wood?


:twisted::razz: Well I have a 120mm fan keeping the chipsets and memory cool so if Gizmo did attempt anything of the pissing kind then the said fan would remove any offending item :lol:
Parent - - By RFK (Gold) Date 2010-09-25 06:51 Edited 2010-09-25 07:02
Gizmo, had that cat musk spraying over everything! And it didn't bother you one bit.  Well, hell, why not move that block of wood right into the kitty litter! :yell:

(ps: How can you possibly give an informed  opinion on a producted you stopped updating two years ago? What is that about? Have you been stepping into the ring lately without head padding? :razz: No wonder you don't mind Gizmo pissing on your mobo! :yell:)
Parent - - By BigBen (****) Date 2010-09-25 07:50

>Gizmo, had that cat musk spraying over everything


:lol: Nope he has had the snip so no spraying at all :razz:

>How can you possibly give an informed  opinion on a producted you stopped updating two years ago


So not true, I bought Aquarium 2010 as soon as it appeared and used it but it is far from user friendly plus tried all the updates to 4.05 STILL!! awaiting 4.06 ... It seems it is going to get more complicated although some basics are supposed to be easier but we shall see ..... I have A2010 installed on my Windows 7 drive awaiting the update but at the moment mainly run the XP64 drive so A3 gets used from time to time

>Have you been stepping into the ring lately without head padding?


This I must admit is true :twisted: on wednesday just gone I had to get in the ring with no headguard!! (actually never used one) and was holding the pads for Tania (Thai-Boxing warrior  queen lmao) whom I simply thought to be a nurse but it was pointed out to me that at night she is a stripper/lap dancer/pole dancer which to be honest explains her chest measurements :grin: It did take me a few minutes to regain my composure HEY!! it`s a tough job but someone has to do it :grin::razz::twisted::yell:

Regards
Parent - - By RFK (Gold) Date 2010-09-25 09:26
Tony,

You're a good sport! :smile:

Have safe and enjoyable trip to Cuba!

Best Wishes,
Robert
Parent - - By BigBen (****) Date 2010-09-26 08:14

>You're a good sport!


:lol::grin::twisted::evil:

>Have safe and enjoyable trip to Cuba!


Thanks for that Robert and if you actually if anyone  just happens to be passing the Paradisus Rio de oro Hotel I will be happy to buy the drinks :lol: I suspect though I won`t need to get the credit card out with the rush of takers :razz:
Parent - By TheHug (Bronze) Date 2010-09-26 09:29
What is the keyword to get a drink :lol::yell: ?
Parent - - By InspectorGadget (*****) Date 2010-09-24 12:36

> I'd like to see this poll repeated on a forum that has more than three readers! :twisted:


:lol:
Parent - - By RFK (Gold) Date 2010-09-24 19:40 Edited 2010-09-25 03:26

>> I'd like to see this poll repeated on a forum that has more than three readers


Thank God it has more than the  two readers who are  lacking in a point of view! :yell::razz:
Parent - - By BankShots (***) Date 2010-09-24 23:13
Who's winning?......:cool:
Parent - - By RFK (Gold) Date 2010-09-24 23:20
Ummmh! We won't know untill after the fat lady sings! :grin:
Parent - - By Uly (Gold) Date 2010-09-24 23:31
"La Dee Da~ La Dee Da~ Ha ha."
....\
.....\
......\
.......\


So who's winning? :smile:
Parent - - By RFK (Gold) Date 2010-09-25 00:08
Like I said, "Ummmh! We won't know untill after:smile: the fat lady sings!"
Parent - - By Uly (Gold) Date 2010-09-25 00:57
So I guess we will never know!
Parent - - By BankShots (***) Date 2010-09-25 01:38
booo hooo hooo......:sad:
Parent - - By Uly (Gold) Date 2010-09-25 01:42
And it's all my fault, the fat lady I posted will not stop singing! :yell:
Parent - By BankShots (***) Date 2010-09-25 13:46
It looks like a draw to me. :eek::razz::fat:
Parent - - By RFK (Gold) Date 2010-09-25 02:32
Don't be so cynical. Here is a tutorial in understanding the concept behind the fat lady singing. The question arises whether it is really over when the fat lady sings, or has it, rather,  just begun.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=toql5jGSDBU&feature=related
Parent - - By Uly (Gold) Date 2010-09-25 06:34
I just was trying to be funny, animated gif and all, I guess I failed :sad:
Parent - By RFK (Gold) Date 2010-09-25 06:47

> I just was trying to be funny, animated gif and all, I guess I failed :sad:


It was funny! It is funny!
Parent - By InspectorGadget (*****) Date 2010-09-25 13:26

> I just was trying to be funny, animated gif and all, I guess I failed :sad:


:smile:
Parent - By RFK (Gold) Date 2010-09-25 03:32 Edited 2010-09-25 03:35
However, if we check in on the Aquarium/CA team vs Fritz/chessbase team- it doesn't look so good for the  Aquarium/CA team .
Parent - - By RFK (Gold) Date 2010-09-25 21:38

> Who's winning?......:cool:


E=Mc2
Parent - - By BankShots (***) Date 2010-09-25 23:01
Iiit looks like a draw. :lol::grin:
Parent - - By RFK (Gold) Date 2010-09-27 16:52
I think it is quite obviously Fritz that has the upper hand- taking into consideration that a great majority are voting for  Fritz/Chessbase and combining that number with Fritz GUI, since there is only one vote per person- that, at present, gives Fritz approximately 46% of the vote.
Parent - - By BankShots (***) Date 2010-09-27 22:04
Oh, I was only talking about your animations.
Parent - - By RFK (Gold) Date 2010-09-27 22:15

> Oh, I was only talking about your animations.


:grin: You're on your own there dude! Try shots of Absinthe!
Parent - By NATIONAL12 (Gold) Date 2010-09-27 22:39
just added my vote.:grin:
Parent - By Uly (Gold) Date 2010-09-28 01:46

> :grin: You're on your own there dude!


No, I was also talking about your animations :razz:
Parent - - By Ray (****) Date 2010-09-23 05:41

> I'd like to see this poll repeated after the next generation of Aquarium hits the street. It uses far less system resources than does Fritz- and offers more significant GUI options


Frankly what they need to address is ease of use in my view.
Parent - By Uly (Gold) Date 2010-09-23 06:39

> Frankly what they need to address is ease of use in my view.


+1

It has enough features and I have enough resources, so what sid mentions wouldn't be a factor.
Parent - - By RFK (Gold) Date 2010-09-23 06:56

> Frankly what they need to address is ease of use in my view.


When I first started working with Photoshop- it was essential to get clear instruction into the use of the software. The way a tutorial is presented can go a long way in helping users cultivate an enthusiasm for gaining insight into, and  learning how to use the software. I enjoyed so much studying trainings presented by Deke McClelland. It made learning fun.

Aquarium's developers need to learn how to present a training manual that does pretty much the same thing. They obviously know the material. But, I  don't think they do a good job in  presenting tutorial material as educators. And, I think it also helps if English is not their second language.
Parent - By RFK (Gold) Date 2010-09-23 07:01 Edited 2010-09-23 07:23
This is not the fault of the software. It is as all sophisticated software demands- clear and concise and well organized training manuals and tutorials. To the person writing the manual and/or tutorial- is sounds great! Because, they already know the material. But to someone just tuning in- it sucks in its organization of material and approach. :yell:

Inshort- Don't throw the baby out with the bath water! Really!
Parent - - By Uly (Gold) Date 2010-09-23 07:27
But Photoshop is about art, and learning new ways of art is fun. Chess is just a mathematical problem about finding the best move in every position, and that can be done easier in a different interface.

Would you use Photoshop if you could use MSPaint to make outstanding works of art already?

Form the other side, chess is about analysis methods, the tutorials you're talking about would be about how to use the interface, not about chess.

And I'll say it again, Aquarium is like if they built a new car where you steer with the pedals and brake with the wheel, its ease of use won't change if you add more manuals and tutorials.
Parent - By RFK (Gold) Date 2010-09-23 07:57
I disagree-

Learning any software that interests you can be invigorating and fun if its done right. I know a lot of people who were intimidated by Photoshop and end up using something less intensive to avoid the steep learning curve. But once I introduced them to certain of Lynda.com trainings and specific trainers, that fear evaporated exponentially.
Parent - - By RFK (Gold) Date 2010-09-23 08:19 Edited 2010-09-23 08:28

> you're talking about would be about how to use the interface, not about chess.


If I want to have the best in a computing experience for running chess games- and decide to build my own machine to meet that need- I  have absolutely no issue with  learning the hardware and knowing the manual to make that experience happen, and it is fun! Even when things go nuts.

If I want to have the very best in a chess experience,  and chose to utilize certain software enhancements to make that  experience happen-

yeah! I'm going to want to learn as much as I can to make that happen- But if the manual doesn't really answer that need and  only leaves me frustrated-I might get really angry. 

And that is what I am hearing on this forum. Not just frustration but also anger over not getting what they need. P.S per instruction.
Parent - By Uly (Gold) Date 2010-09-23 09:31

>> If I want to have the very best in a chess experience,  and chose to utilize certain software enhancements to make that  experience happen-


Could you elaborate about that chess experience that other software doesn't provide?

Perhaps you just enjoy learning, and Aquarium is a new challenge for you, but not all people have fun learning a new interface, they have fun with chess, having to learn it how to use an interface is an obstacle, not a bridge.

And stop with the Photoshop analogies, Photoshop can do things that no other picture program can do, so learning how to use it is a bridge to gaining new abilities for art, Aquarium only has IDEA and trees, but people can be successful without IDEA, and trees aren't something that is NEEDED (e.g. you can be fine without using trees).

But it would be useful that people could use those features with ease, I think time invested in improving the interface would be much better then having a video where someone teaches the 20 commands you have to do to do something simple. Problem is, the developers are very happy with breaking with the wheel and steering with he pedals, and they're sure it's a superior method to the "old way", so I don't see any change happening.
Parent - - By tomgdrums (****) Date 2010-09-23 17:39

> When I first started working with Photoshop- it was essential to get clear instruction into the use of the software. The way a tutorial is presented can go a long way in helping users cultivate an enthusiasm for gaining insight into, and  learning how to use the software. I enjoyed so much studying trainings presented by Deke McClelland. It made learning fun.
>
> Aquarium's developers need to learn how to present a training manual that does pretty much the same thing. They obviously know the material. But, I  don't think they do a good job in  presenting tutorial material as educators. And, I think it also helps if English is not their second language.


It is cool that you like to learn about software.  That means Aquarium is great for you.  I don't like to learn about software, I like to use software to learn about other things or be productive in other things.  Neither way of looking at it is wrong and it is a good thing we have different choices.

I don't know if we will ever see the "perfect" gui, which is why I am glad we have choices.
Parent - By Labyrinth (*****) Date 2010-09-24 09:02

>It is cool that you like to learn about software.  That means Aquarium is great for you.  I don't like to learn about software, I like to use software to learn about other things or be productive in other things.  Neither way of looking at it is wrong and it is a good thing we have different choices.


I Agree. The software should be a means to an end, a tool. User interfaces should be intuitive, fast, and effective. I think software developers greatly undervalue this point.
Parent - - By Trahald (**) Date 2010-09-23 09:27
I've used all the GUI's mentioned in this poll and my vote goes to Shredder, however Arena is not far behind, and with a new release rumoured to be just around the corner, with support for Gaviota Tablebases among other things, it could easily become the new no. 1 in my book. Especially if they finally relent and add Shredder-FEN support for Chess960.
Parent - By RFK (Gold) Date 2010-09-23 10:31

> I've used all the GUI's mentioned in this poll


Well, obviously, you should go with what you are comfortable in, I'm not here to try and talk you out of that!
Parent - By tomgdrums (****) Date 2010-09-22 23:10
I voted Shredder but I would actually say Shredder for playing and most analysis and chessbase for database and research and annotation stuff.

I still have never gotten Aquarium actually work.
Parent - - By Indrajit (***) Date 2010-09-23 09:29
When you say Fritz do you mean the latest version with a Ribbon interface? I find the ribbon interface a bit intimidating at first. I somehow like the older Fritz 11 interface.
Parent - - By mindbreaker (****) Date 2010-09-23 13:56
I prefer F11 also but I think there is a lot of rooms for improvement.  I think there is no 5 star interface the best is barely 3 stars.
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