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- - By Tord Romstad (**) [no] Date 2010-07-02 07:53
I'm too lazy to repeat the announcement here, so I'll just provide a link to my post on the CCC:

http://talkchess.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=35242
Parent - By Mark (****) [us] Date 2010-07-02 11:26

>In order to use the remote engine feature, you'll first have to download a program called "GlaurungServer" from the Glaurung web site. Currently, it's only available for Mac OS X and 32-bit Windows. Binaries for the other major platforms will follow shortly. Please note that the 32-bit Windows binary does not work in 64-bit Windows.


dang...  Can't wait for the 64-bit version so I can try this!

Thanks Tord for the great work on Glaurung for iPhone and introducing this innovative feature!
Parent - - By Bobby C (****) Date 2010-07-02 20:05
Tord is there any plans to bring this to the Droid platform? Also with the new processor speed increase in the iPhone 4 what kind of ELO gains are expected if any?
Parent - - By Tord Romstad (**) [no] Date 2010-07-02 21:14

> Tord is there any plans to bring this to the Droid platform?


Have a look at the thread over on the CCC (link in my original post above), where I answer a similar question.

> Also with the new processor speed increase in the iPhone 4 what kind of ELO gains are expected if any?


I wish I knew.  I only have a iPhone 3G, and I don't know how much faster the iPhone 3GS and the iPhone 4 are when running Glaurung.  Perhaps I should collect some benchmarks.

Of course, if you use the new remote engine feature, you'll get several hundred Elo points for free, and you have by far the strongest handheld chess program ever.
Parent - - By Bobby C (****) Date 2010-07-03 06:11

> Have a look at the thread over on the CCC (link in my original post above), where I answer a similar question.


Just read it. Your crazy for not making a program to SELL on these smart phones. I bet that the real money in the future will be selling chess programs for smart phones, piracy is much harder. I would gladly pay you the price of a chess engine for something that runs on a DroidX and an iPhone 4.
Parent - - By Tord Romstad (**) [no] Date 2010-07-03 07:32

> Your crazy for not making a program to SELL on these smart phones.


No, I'm not, because I already have a job. Having a job which provides me with all the money I need is nice. Having two jobs which provide me with more money than I need wouldn't be nice, but just stressful and silly.

> I bet that the real money in the future will be selling chess programs for smart phones, piracy is much harder.


You are completely right, apart from the "in the future" part. Mobile devices is were the real money is, already now. Not just because of piracy, but mainly because it's by far the dominant platform for computer chess right now. Very few people want to sit down in front of their home computer to play chess, and very many people like to play chess on their phones while on the run.

Even now, about one and a half year after its initial release, Glaurung for the iPhone gets about one thousand downloads every week. And this is a low-profile program with a rather amateurish GUI, with a very low number of total development hours. A professional program with professional marketing would sell a tremendous amount of copies. But still, the majority of commercial chess programmers just focus on UCI engines (which are useless to 99% of all users, because they have no idea what to do with a UCI engine), and optimize for powerful hardware on which hardly anyone wants to play chess. It boggles my mind that they keep ignoring the platforms where the real money is.
Parent - - By Bobby C (****) Date 2010-07-03 07:36

>It boggles my mind that they keep ignoring the platforms where the real money is.


Sounds like there is some gold laying around and nobody is smart enough to pick it up. You talk about already having a job, well that job must pay very well because I imagine you could be making several thousands of dollars with smart phone apps. I wonder what Mark U is making with the $10 Hiarcs iPhone App?
Parent - - By Razor (****) [gb] Date 2010-07-03 07:49
I think you miss the point Tord is making about the difference between 'Need' and 'Greed'; it's a real shame that it feels like most of the adults we come in to contact with on this planet are driven by the latter of these - I wonder if with all their material richness whether they exude a similar degree of 'contentment with life' that comes from Tord's communication?
Parent - By Bobby C (****) Date 2010-07-03 08:17

> 'contentment with life'


Tord might be content and happy. You may have noticed I did not ask him twice to do it but he and I both pointed out there is money to be made. No matter what somebody is going to get my money, if Tord doesn't want it that is fine by me.
Parent - - By Harvey Williamson (*****) Date 2010-07-03 09:15
Tord is not making his living from Computer Chess some others are.

You would be surprised how small the margins are on iphone apps. Of a $10 price itunes take a cut. You have to register in the USA for tax. The app store only pays out after you have sold 200 units in an individual app store. In some countries you will not sell 200 so its not easy to get the money.
Parent - - By Bobby C (****) Date 2010-07-16 19:21
Hello Harvey, do you know if Mark plans on updating the iPhone Hiarcs to take advantage of some of the newer feature of the iPhone 4? I think the best platform for Hiarcs is on mobile devices and it should always be very strong. I would like to see a program that can display a decently current and deep opening book. Maybe somebody could program an app just for storing/displaying an opening book. Something like this would be very handy for last minute prep before a tournament.
Parent - - By Harvey Williamson (*****) Date 2010-07-16 19:37
Hiarcs will always have a current and strong book on whatever platform it is released for. The idea of displaying the book moves is a good one we will look at it. You can now see the book moves from the internal hiarcsxxx.hcs book in the sigma mac gui.
Parent - - By Bobby C (****) Date 2010-07-16 22:23

>You can now see the book moves from the internal hiarcsxxx.hcs book in the sigma mac gui.


I don't use Mac stuff and my iPhone 4 hasn't arrived yet(It's still on pre-order). Can you see book moves in the Hiarcs program on the iphone?
Parent - - By Harvey Williamson (*****) Date 2010-07-16 22:26
I don't have an iphone 4 so do not know how it runs on it. Perhaps others who do can comment?
Parent - By Bobby C (****) Date 2010-07-16 22:37
Well, the phone itself is the same except the processor speed more then doubled from 450mhz to 1ghz. The memory is a little faster too AFAIK and the screen resolution is better. Other then that the program should work the same but probably about 50-100 elo better I guess? I am just eagerly awaiting a program to store a 200+mb opening book to. Let us know if Mark plans on making some new update to Hiarcs iPhone. Thanks :)
Parent - By Ray (****) Date 2010-07-03 07:57
Slightly off-topic, but in terms of the remote engines you may wish to run:  I know you had your reasons not to want to add Nalimov tablebase support to Glaurung and now Stockfish, do these same reasons apply to Gaviota tablebases? Have you considered adding support for them to Stockfish ?
Parent - By h1a8 (***) [us] Date 2010-07-16 05:22
Thank you for this Tord.

I have a few questions. On my computer Stockfish64bit 2cpu gets about 1500kn/s on the starting position. On the ipod touch 2g it gets about 15kn/s.

1. Is it safe to say that one is effectively 100 times faster than the other?
a. If so then would you say that the stockfish on the ipod is about about 313elo weaker than the one on my computer (since 1.8 the speed gives about 40 elo)?
b. If not then how many times faster do you think my computer is over the ipod based on the listed kn/s I gave?

2. For using the remote engine. Would turning the debug output off increase performance? What is the good for having it on?
- - By ehas (*) [ph] Date 2010-07-07 07:37
I'm trying to use glaurung remote but unable to use it.

I read the readme file and followed the instructions but still I can't get it to work.

Here's what I did.
1. clicked the glaurungserver batch file (for 64 bit windows)
2. connected my Iphone to the chess server. (It connected instantly after typing my IP address that came from the site I visited whatismyip.com)
3. When I try to play now with glaurung, it would not respond and after maybe 30 seconds it would just close the program.

I use Iphone 3G with windows 64 XP on my desktop.

Anymore tips?

Thanks

Eric
Parent - By Werewolf (*****) [gb] Date 2010-07-07 09:04
I have a similar problem, except mine doesn't crash it just uses the iPhone engine and not my PC one.
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