-I got emails and messages from the "Harry Schnapp" account in our forum and by "h.schnapp-frankfurt (at...) t-online.de", asking for Rybka 4 engine files already some weeks before the Rybka 4 release. The author of those messages said he needed them to optimize his books for Rybka 4 and signed the messages with "Harry Schnapp".
-On Tuesday, May 25 01:49 PM CET, one day before the official Rybka 4 release, I sent the final Rybka 4 engine files to h.schnapp-frankfurt (at...) t-online.de, but I left out the chess960 version.
-On Tuesday May 25 02:26 PM CET I got a reply from that email account saying "Thanks for trusting me, it's an honor for me" in German ("Euer Vertrauen ist für mich eine Ehre!").
-On Tuesday, May 25 07:53 PM CET a leaked Rybka 4 package was put online, including the Rybka 4 multiprocessor versions, but the chess960 version missing.
-There was a readme in that leaked package stating:
"These versions of course are the strongest of Rybka 4 series but there are more versions left including chess 960 versions.
I have it but I don't feel like releasing it."
The only one who did have the normal Rybka 4 versions at that time, but not the chess960 version, is the receiver of my email with the Rybka 4 files or anyone who received Rybka 4 from that source.
-On Wednesday, May 26 06:18 PM CET, after the official release of Rybka 4, the chess960 version was put online on the page with the leaked version.
-The person who wrote "but there are more versions left including chess 960 versions" obviously didn't know that there aren't any other missing versions than the chess960 version. But any Beta tester knew it - the only one having Rybka 4 and not knowing that was again the receiver of my email or anyone who received Rybka 4 from that source.
-The circle of Beta testers was small, besides Rybka team members and 3 people of ChessOK/Chessbase's staff only 12 people had access to the beta versions.
-There was quite a large number of beta versions - over 70 different versions - but no single one was leaked.
The "10 Accounts" Facts:
-There are 10 Accounts created with t-online email addresses in our forum, all of them created with IP addresses from Frankfurt and using similar patterns in messages, including missing spaces after commata and dots after exclamation marks.
-The accounts are (with IPs and creation date):
All IPs are from Frankfurt a.M. in Germany
Harry Schnapp 79.253.***.*** 2007-07-12 19:30
Theodor 87.155.***.*** 2007-11-06 13:30
Florin 91.36.***.*** 2007-11-07 17:51
Stefan S. 87.147.***.*** 2007-12-27 14:13
Lucian 91.36.***.*** 2008-05-25 16:22
Iunie 91.36.***.*** 2008-05-24 14:56
Dr.Pungu 91.36.***.*** 2008-05-30 16:05
Octacore 91.36.***.*** 2008-05-30 18:18
F.Fulga 91.36.***.*** 2008-05-31 20:30
Iuval 91.36.***.*** 2008-12-23 15:36
-Those last 9 accounts were used to harass Sedat Canbaz ( http://sedatchess.110mb.com/ ) with offensive posts, which caused Sedat to give up book making and computer chess altogether for some time.
-Those accounts also praised Harry Schnapp's books.
-The account "Harry Schnapp" sent a private message to me, saying bad things about Sedat Canbaz.
-The account "Stefan S." contacted me and asked me to send him the Rybka 4 engines for creating opening books for Rybka 4, the message was ending with "Regards, Harry" and stating the email address I later sent the Rybka 4 files to. A following message by the account "Harry Schnapp" followed by the message from "Stefan S.", answering my message I sent to "Stefan S.", so it seems one and the same guy had access to both accounts.
-"Harry Schnapp" states in emails and fora that his sons and grandsons have created all those accounts used for writing offensive messages and praising Harry Schnapp books on their laptops and it was not him. That doesn't make sense when taking the patterns and messages from the "Harry Schnapp" nick into account.
Those are the facts - you can draw the conclusions.
Of course I still think that you should know about those things that happened.
> Well, the plan was to formulate it better, make it more precise and clear.
I think the events were clear..the failed allegiance and reasoning behind these events not so clear; the questions of which no one here can give answer to.
i would suggest that you visit Harry Schnapp at his home and look at his computer and talk to him. Harry Schnapp should agree that.
After that, you can make new conclusions.
Otherwise - if you just say "excuse me" without more investigations, a sneaking suspicion will stay.
We all know that felix kling is a smart and friendly person. A good boy! He is that, and we all know that. He is very helpful and he is a really honest guy.
In my opinion there is only one reliable way to friendly finalize this situation: Felix must visit harry schnapp.
If harry is innocent he would invite him, and allow him to deeply take a look on his pc.
Of course, harry could say "no felix, i dont want to see you" ...... intead of this he could go to court .... this would escalate everything, and i think this is not the wisest solution.
When both , harry and felix, do nothing - the situation stays unsatisfactory for everybody. The problem is that: Here in our computerchess community there are some ... let me say really really bad ... persons.
This "really bad" persons are writing here and in CSS and in CCC. This persons are poison for the computerchess-community and they will stay on putting salt and acid into the unsatisfactory situation...
The Mystery is already solved !
Ok,finally ''Harry Schnapp" apologized me and probably i will forgive him !
And now i don't plan to make any complaint against him in the Law Court.
Here is a little saying for ''Harry Schnapp":
When you realize you've made a mistake, make amends immediately.It's easier to eat crow while it's still warm.
One thing more,that would be injustice if ''Harry Schnapp" will not apologize to a few Book Authors too(Rybka3,Compmaster 1b,Sheebar,MyBook)
And last (i have a few words for Harry):
-In the end,our friendship will not be as before,but at least i will not see you ''as a enemy'' !
>The account "Stefan S." contacted me and asked me to send him the Rybka 4 engines for creating opening books for Rybka 4, the message was ending with "Regards, Harry" and stating the email >address I later sent the Rybka 4 files to.
You sent the files even after you knew this? Someone pinch me please.
Anyway, the account thing we know about here since a day or so because of something different.
It is the kind of thing Harry would and did do in his own bumbling way. It was not grandchildren or even the family pet. That needs an unreserved apology both to you and his grandchildren.
The F. Fulga account was a very interesting choice by Eduard Nemeth as an example to discuss. You can check this in your moderation forum.
The main thing you need to do now is to find out who put them up there. Harry's association with the **** place is not good.
There is a whole bunch of people from there in here. It is not difficult to work out who is on what side of that fence.
Contact the blog host.
In future you should privately personalise each test version so they can be tracked.
Good luck, I'm off to watch Bullet Train win the Derby.
> In future you should privately personalise each test version so they can be tracked.
> Good luck, I'm off to watch Bullet Train win the Derby.
How much money did you lose on "Bullet Train"? :)
Bullet Train went lame.
Still I don't think the evidence would hold up that Harry himself is directly responsible. It would have to be proven that he himself was "at the controls" when this happened.
I don't know how the law works in Germany (BPOL?), but if they subpoena'd the machines like directly now there might be retrievable traces of deleted/written files and a time of upload could be proven. Then we would know the exact machine, and probably where the machine was when the uploading took place. Then it's just a matter of finding the persons that 'were there' at the time. I think that if this were to occur now it would be superfluous enough to establish the culprit beyond a reasonable doubt.
Probably nothing will happen though, and this will all be forgotten in a month : /
I probably shouldn't be saying any of this, because it's likely that harry is listening. Rybka forum cannot suspend all new accounts being made, and there's always a way to get an ip address.
to immediately delete the insulting allgeations against Harry on the website here.
if the insulting texts against harry are not deleted, harrys lawyer could shut down the forum.
Felix Kling is german, isn't he ? he would see himself in a law suit against harry at german court.
A law suit neither Felix nor Rybkachess.com could win. So as a result they would have to pay Harry the damage of reputation
due to the public posting of insulting accusations. I guess this would be at least 50.000 Euro.
Since Vas Rahlich explicitely allowed Felix to continue the allegations, he would be in the duty to pay too.
I could imagine that customers of Rybka4 give the engine back and demand their money back because they
do not accept this kind of "behaviour" on the rybkachess website.
German law doesn't allow you to fight against reality :)
In the moment the police enters your appartment and takes away your computer you can
tell your "philosophy about german law" to the german police who takes away your computer.
And i am sure in this moment your "boss" at rybkachess will also find out what is possible
and what is illusion.
left there because of your psychic paranoid tirades.
35 Denn ich bin gekommen, um den Sohn mit seinem Vater zu entzweien und die Tochter mit ihrer Mutter und die Schwiegertochter mit ihrer Schwiegermutter;
36 und die Hausgenossen eines Menschen werden seine Feinde sein.
“Always forgive your enemies - nothing annoys them so much.”
To be honest I am very disappointed how this case is handled. I thought "The Rybka project" is a professional thing but I was very wrong. Of course it's quite a financial damage that the final Rybka version leaked but still I thought that the court is the right place to handle this and not self justice! And this it is! At least the accused should have the right to reply on this forum.
Don't get me wrong. I am programmer therefore I know the value of "intellectual property" and I am also against downloading movies and this kind of stuff. But how you treat Harry is unacceptable.
I bought Rybka because I wanted a strong engine but it will be the very last version.
Thanks for providing these facts. They are very clear and present a compelling case. I'm sure it must have been agonizing for you when you first found out about the leak. Hang in there!
To conclude in some other words:
You send out a set of R4 but no 960 Version to Harry Schnapp.
6 hours later a Rybka 4 was put onto a website with the statement: "... strongest of Rybka 4 series but there are more versions left including chess 960 versions. I have it but I don't feel like releasing it."
Then you wrote: "... The only one who did have the normal Rybka 4 versions at that time, but not the chess960 version, ..." Out of this I asssume that more persons had R4 including R4 960. (Correct!?)
Additionaly: " ... The person who wrote "but there are more versions left including chess 960 versions" obviously didn't know that there aren't any other missing versions than the chess960 version." Your conclusion might be missleading as "I" read out of the "more versions" that the one might have thought about the R4 betas ... at least this assumtion is as good as yours - I think. (I - for example - did not even thought about the 960 Version until I read about it here and the set I recieved did not have the 960 verion either (you know where I got it from)) So why should have Harry Schnapp, whos interest in 960 is close to zero would have mentioned it. What you see as irksome is something I see as an indication to someone who really had the 960 Version!
12 People of the Rybka team + 3 of Chess OK + Harry Schnapp = 16 People had it in advance (What about CB? And what about the company who had to make CDs ...? It is hard to believe that just 16 persons had access to it one day in advance). I assume that some of the computer where in a company and not attended ALL the time ... (and of course I believe that one out of 16 has enough criminal energy to do such things)
Now the account thing. Harry Schnapp admited that in the german fora gave an explanation why and excused. This happened without any doubt.
Because of your understandable anger about the leakage and the account thing you pointed in public to Harry Schnapp, and you do it again right now. I am not you and it is your decision, but I personaly think your judgment is based on some very fast assumtions.
I personaly would take a beer, sit down, relax, enjoy the sun and think about what to do next.
About the account thing: I'm not sure if he admits it, but in any case, that account thing, harassing Sedat, alone would be enough for removing his books and so on. He can be happy that there aren't any more consequences.
>About the account thing: I'm not sure if he admits it, but in any case, that account thing, harassing Sedat, alone would be enough for removing his books and so on. He can be happy that there aren't any more consequences.
Actually I am not tallking about the "Account case" and I do not question the removing of the accounts. (Except that he has no possibility to defend himself here where he is accused - it is a bit sleazy) I am talking about your prosecution in public!
But again: Your decision!
I tell you what Harry could do. He could go to the german police and could initiate a
"Strafanzeige" against you in Person, and the company of the Website that allows YOU to
speak in their name and your kind of "presenting facts".
As a second action, he could sent a lawyer with an "Abmahnung" against you and the company you work for.
Part of the Abmahnung would be to delete your "facts" and to pay Harry for the damage of reputation your
statements have done to him.
2) I speak in noone's name.
3) Presenting facts is nothing unusual. Journalists do the same. Everyone could do what he wants with those facts. If everything is right, facts can't destroy your reputation. :)
>What about CB? And what about the company who had to make CDs ...? It is hard to believe that just 16 persons had access to it one day in advance
It was before they got it.
This article is from the 31st May. At that day they recieved the ready made DVD ... how many days in advance do they recive a copy how many days is it at manyfacutring?
I do not know who did it, and the last thing I do is accusing CB, I only want to point out that there might be more than 16 persons AND that even 16 might be enough to have a leak.
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