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- - By pokerpawn (***) Date 2010-05-19 22:06
can anyone explain in a more or less concise way how the next WK match will be decided , meaning who against Anand will there be matches ?
who is placed for these matches? and so on

Parent - By pokerpawn (***) Date 2010-05-20 02:13
DUH!! should have known , wiki knows !

Parent - - By Mickey (**) Date 2010-05-25 15:48
Let me quote Wikipedia:

If FIDE sticks to the regulations, then the following pairings hold good.
    1    Veselin Topalov
  8    Gata Kamsky
  4    Levon Aronian
    5    Boris Gelfand
    3    Vladimir Kramnik
  6    Nominee
  2    Magnus Carlsen
    7    Teimour Radjabov
Parent - - By ebutaljib (****) Date 2010-05-25 17:19
Parent - - By Not the real Kasparov (***) Date 2010-05-26 00:24
Ebutaljib...great diagram..any idea when the cycle or these mini matches begin?

I really can't wait to see how Carlsen will go.
Parent - - By Not the real Kasparov (***) Date 2010-05-26 00:28 Edited 2010-05-26 00:31
Also wanted to add that I love candidate matches over say a tournament format, candidate matches are the way it has always been done! Excluding a few exceptions....
Parent - By ebutaljib (****) Date 2010-05-26 14:21 Edited 2010-05-26 14:27
Nobody knows exactly when and where. They are supposed to be in Azerbaijan (at least that non-Aronian half) sometime in 2011. And then World championship match in 2012, perhaps in London. But knowing FIDE it is highly likely that none of this will happen as planed.

Candidates were supposed to be in 2010 and championship match in 2011, but now it has already been pushed back for one year. It's funny that the regulations still say that they will be played in 2010 :)

So maybe the pairings are not true either. They may as well use a different rating list for pairing purposes, rather than the January 2010 rating list.

P.S..: FIDE calendar says that candidates will be between March 1st and May 31st, 2011 in Baku, Azerbaijan.
- - By ebutaljib (****) Date 2010-05-26 15:10 Edited 2010-05-26 15:15
Since we are talking about Candidates matches, here are all candidates matches played in traditional cycles (interzonals, candidates, world championship match)

First Candidates matches were played in 1964-66 cycle (before that Candidates were played as a round-robin tournament):

1967-69 cycle:

1970-72 cycle:

1973-75 cycle:

and the Candidates final which in a way turned out to basically be a "world Championship match":

1976-78 cycle:

1979-81 cycle:

1982-84 cycle:

Because Kasparov and Karpov needed 2 years (and 3 matches) to sort out things, 1985-87 cycle had to be heavelly modified. First (after interzonals of course) a candidates tournament was played. First 4 then played candidates matches, and the winner of these had to face Karpov in the final.

Candidates matches were expanded by 1 round in 1987-90 cycle:

1990-93 cycle:

And then came the split. Reigning Champion (Kasparov) and legitimate challenger (Short) decided to play their match outside of FIDE under the newly created PCA. FIDE expelled Kasparov and Short, and held its own World championship match with Timman (Candidates runner-up) and Karpov (defeated by Short in the candidates semi-final)

After that, both FIDE and PCA held their own cycles which were practically the same as previous cycles.

1993-1995 PCA cycle:

1993-96 FIDE cycle - for the first time in history the reigning champion (Karpov) had to qualify for the World Championship match:

These were the last traditional cycles that had interzonals, Candidates and World championship match.
Parent - - By Akbarfan (***) Date 2010-05-26 15:17
Wow, Thanks for this
Parent - By ebutaljib (****) Date 2010-05-26 15:19 Edited 2010-05-26 15:21
I guess you didn't see this and this ;)

And if you want, you can download this.
Parent - - By Not the real Kasparov (***) Date 2010-05-27 00:18
This is awesome...I never knew Spassky played Korchnoi in candidates matches...Fischer's matches were incredible from the result alone.

Look how close Korchnoi was to Karpov in 1974 final! It could have so easily been him playing Fischer in 1975.

How happy must Nigel Short have been in the 90-93 cycle? :) Beating all those great players..

Look how easy it was to get to Kasparov in the 87-90 cycle, Karpov had to beat Timman, Jussopow, big deal ..:)

Also, for the Kramnik-Leko match in 2004, I'm sure that Leko had to go through candidates to get to Kramnik?
Parent - - By ebutaljib (****) Date 2010-05-27 11:48 Edited 2010-05-27 12:04
Yes, there have been candidates matches before Kramnik-Leko

And there have also been candidates matches for World Championship Tournament in Mexico

Since 1995/6 the whole cycles have been messed up thats why I left them out.

I don't know if it was that easy to beat Jussupov and Timman in late 80's and early 90's. Hjartarson was no push-over in 1988/89 either ;)

Korchnoi played Spassky twice in the candidates matches, in 1968 and 1977 - both time in the final. Specially the 1977 final is famous for off the board antics. Until the tenth game of the final, the match had been uneventful 'off the board'. Then, starting with game 10, Spassky began playing from his relaxation box, using a large demonstration board to analyze his moves. He appeared at the board only to make his move, then returned to his box for further analysis. Korchnoi protested Spassky's unusual playing method, but was obviously unnerved, as he lost games 11 through 13. In game 14, Korchnoi used the same tactic, but he lost that game as well. In game 14, Spassky started to wear a silver sun visor. He increased the psychological pressure by appearing for the 17th game with visor, sunglasses, and aquatic goggles.  He lost the game (because he probably didn't see the board through all that :))
Although Korchnoi ended up winning his tendency to come unglued over small disputes did not go unnoticed.

That cycle after Korchnoi's defection from Soviet Union was very entertaining. Korchnoi ended up knocking out all Soviets in the candidates, only to lose against another Soviet in the World championship match. Kramnik-Topalov is nothing compared to 1978 Karpov-Korchnoi :)
Parent - - By Not the real Kasparov (***) Date 2010-05-27 13:09 Leko beat Topalov in 2002, very interesting..didn't know that :)

Yes, I have heard many things about the 1978 match, Korchnoi's family in prison? Or something like that..?

That sunglasses trick from Spassky is hilarious, also analysing his games on the big board, that would have been weird lol
Parent - By ebutaljib (****) Date 2010-05-27 15:04 Edited 2010-05-27 15:14

> Yes, I have heard many things about the 1978 match, Korchnoi's family in prison? Or something like that..?

That was at the time of their 1981 match. In 1978 it was about flags, chairs, hypnosis, mirror glasses, yogurt flavours, etc. :)
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