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- - By Zarkon (***) Date 2010-04-20 09:25
Anything new? Or is it basically a renamed Chess Assistant 10? (which in turn was rather similar to CA9 and CA8!)
Parent - - By Vempele (Silver) Date 2010-04-20 09:40
http://chessok.com/shop/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=7_2&products_id=346

What's new in Chess Assistant 11 compared to Chess Assistant 10:

* New version of the world's strongest chess playing engine, Rybka 4
* New version of Openings Encyclopedia 2010
* New database: 4,600,000 game database (before April, 1, 2010) that can be automatically updated through the Internet each week with 3000 new games (until the end of 2011 year).

Sounds like another ++version_number;
Parent - - By oddg (**) Date 2010-04-21 09:48

> * New database: 4,600,000 game database (before April, 1, 2010) that can be automatically updated through the Internet each week with 3000 new games (until the end of 2011 year).
>


How do you value this?
For me it is enough for an upgrade.
Collecting them manually = 80 week * 30 minutes = 129$ / 40 hour = 3.3$/hour of work.

On the other hand, I had wished that the pgn import also was made better so we didn't need to also have (buy) Chessbase just to read other online services like ChessPublishing.

I expect the shortcut key confusing (annotate a game with '+' give '=' in the score etc.) to be fixed.

Odd Gunnar
Parent - - By Vempele (Silver) Date 2010-04-21 09:56

> How do you value this?
> For me it is enough for an upgrade.


Like buying a printer for the ink?
Parent - By oddg (**) Date 2010-04-21 10:18

>> How do you value this?
>> For me it is enough for an upgrade.
> Like buying a printer for the ink?


:) The ink is free so you buying for the work to have someone to come home to you to replace the ink.

Anyhow, my comment was just to remind ChessOK that this service is valued and hopefully kept on such a high level as it has been the latest years.
Parent - - By JhorAVi (***) Date 2010-04-21 11:55
I think the guy was asking for "What's new about the User Interface and Usability". Not Engine, Opening or Database.
Parent - - By Vempele (Silver) Date 2010-04-21 12:59
That's exactly what I answered about. If they don't mention any changes in those areas, it's unlikely there are any (beyond simple bugfixes).
Parent - - By ventura07 (***) Date 2010-04-21 13:34
Fixing the tree generation to run under Vista and Windows 7 (plus hopefully some of the othe other minor bugs like the search one listed below) would be a major improvement and worth the upgrade for me. I would just like confirmtion that some of the identified bugs have now been fixed.
Parent - - By sockmonkey (***) Date 2010-04-21 13:38
I can't get direct tree generation working under XP either. It would be useful to know that this has been really fixed for all platforms.

Jeremy
Parent - By rubinakiba (**) Date 2010-04-21 18:27
Direct tree generation works just fine under XP both on my laptop and on my desktop. I had another problem, though, and that was no input after game analysis and backgroung analysis. However, it might have been my comp although I checked it on two computers. Guys from ChessOk said they couldn't repeat the bug. That said, I deem that CA is a much better tool than Chessbase. The only thing needed is bugs fix and with new Rybka it flies to the sky!
Parent - - By ventura07 (***) Date 2010-04-21 18:51
I didn't have any major issues with windowsXp but it may depend how you are building the direct tree.

I prefer using the command Base|Operations|Build the Direct Tree but using the alternate method of Dataset|Build the Direct Tree seems to work better.

The only problem I had occured in building a direct tree with games that had been imported from a PGN file and the first method caused the direct tree to freeze during the building although the problem did not occur using the second method. I belive that the problem occurred due to a PGN heading - the second method does not store the game details which I believe caused the problem.
Parent - - By sockmonkey (***) Date 2010-04-21 19:20
I am trying to rebuild the Hugebase Direct Tree (using the first method that you describe). It fails consistently at 99% of stage 2 of 3 with an "exception echesspack". Bummer...

Jeremy
Parent - - By Vempele (Silver) Date 2010-04-21 19:24
Delete all games that have 4 or more knights/bishops/rooks on one side.
Parent - - By sockmonkey (***) Date 2010-04-21 21:07
That's interesting... ok, I'm trying it. There were 24 games in the updated hugebase that meet that description.

As long as a few CA wizards are here. How can I ask CA to NOT open the Guru and Opening dbs (or at least not open the Classifiers) when loading the software? I can't find a way to disable it.

Jeremy
Parent - - By ventura07 (***) Date 2010-04-21 21:24
The original Hugebase had several games with more than 4 Rooks, Knights or Bishops as well.

On the classifer issue, do the following:

Go the Classifer properties (right click on the Classifer) and under General make sure that Auto Open Classifer is not selected.
Parent - By sockmonkey (***) Date 2010-04-21 21:39
That's brilliant. I'm using CA in german. The option to "Auto Open Classifier" is labelled "Eröffnungen immer klassifizieren", which means "Always Classify Openings". No wonder I was confused. Time to reinstall in english. Thanks for your help! :)

Jeremy
Parent - - By sockmonkey (***) Date 2010-04-21 21:54
I just ran a test with a small database, and it has no trouble building the Direct Tree, even with the "objectionable" games in it. I was using games with 4+ knights, 4+ bishops, 4+ rooks or 4+ queens, found via the Material search pane. Before I kill the trees on my hugebase again, I wanted to verify that this would work. Does what I am doing sound right?

Thanks
Jeremy
Parent - - By ventura07 (***) Date 2010-04-21 22:56
The problem arises where the position is not valid - See the following link for a discussion:

http://rybkaforum.net/cgi-bin/rybkaforum/topic_show.pl?tid=10906

I tried to indenify such a game that would cause such a problem but was unsuccessful.
Parent - - By sockmonkey (***) Date 2010-04-21 23:06
Hmm. I wonder if there's a CQL query that could be used to test for validity...

Thanks again. Trying to build the base in AQ now, just to see...

Jeremy
Parent - By ventura07 (***) Date 2010-04-21 23:33
I would suggest trying the rebuild using the second method of building a direct tree (the dataset appraoch).
Parent - - By ventura07 (***) Date 2010-04-22 00:13
Well, here is one search...

Delete all games that started from a specific position.

You can locate such games by searching with Search|Comments|Games starting from a specific position

Thus any "invalid positions" will be deleted.
Parent - By sockmonkey (***) Date 2010-04-26 08:07
I just wanted to write and report success with the Direct Tree build on XP SP3. The problem was a single game, Laubsch-Wichmann 2009 (Schneeberger Schach-Open), which has an illegal last move (discovered via the Test Database Details function, looking for illegal moves). Removing that last move permitted a DT build...
Parent - By ventura07 (***) Date 2010-04-21 19:28
What games are you adding?

I mentioned the Header problem but there is also a problem where the games include a position with an illegal position or too many minor pieces (sorry I can't recall the exact problem but it was mentioned elsewhere on this board).
Parent - By opus7 (*) Date 2020-11-02 19:30
I know this is a (very) old thread, but as I had the same error today and this thread helped, I thought I would add that it was some date fiels in the database being wrong that gave this error.

I found the records/games in error by using the 'Tool|Testbase details' option and then correcting/deleting. Blank player names do not give this error, so can be left as is.

Would love to know if Convecta is still in business these days. The ChessOK forum for CA gives a '404' error for months now, and there are no more PGN updates for months ( although since there is so little OTB chess, does that really matter ? :).
Parent - - By oddg (**) Date 2010-05-31 10:09

> What's new in Chess Assistant 11 compared to Chess Assistant 10:
> .....
> * New database: 4,600,000 game database (before April, 1, 2010) that can be automatically updated through the Internet each week with 3000 new games (until the end of 2011 year).
>


I just learned that this isn't the full story, You have to buy this update service as a separate product. They who have CA10 should proceed to use this until the end of 2010 because this was announced with a free update till the end of 2010.

> Sounds like another ++version_number;


Rather a --version for me :(
Parent - - By nebulus (****) Date 2010-05-31 10:23
Are you talking about CA11 Pro version or Starter?
Parent - - By oddg (**) Date 2010-05-31 10:30

> Are you talking about CA11 Pro version or Starter?


I have the pro version but didn't the CA10 starter too had free automatic update, at least the ad. mentioned it.

Here from the add for CA11 starter:

> Chess Assistant 11 Starter – the most advanced chess database system. Lightning fast searches in databases with millions of games. Automatic weekly updates with thousands of new games.

Parent - - By nebulus (****) Date 2010-05-31 10:53
Oh, I see :( Yes, CA10 starter has free updates.
Parent - - By opus7 (*) Date 2010-05-31 19:20
interesting.....according to the product description, the starter has no weekly update, but the pro has...however in the upgrade descriptions both have the weekly updates ?! Time to ask before I upgrade
Parent - - By nebulus (****) Date 2010-05-31 19:35
My guess is they decided to charge for weekly updates, but forgot to change the product description. Actually, the description mentions automatic weekly updates in both Starter and Pro if you read it carefully. CA10 (which I have) has free updates until the end of the year and I hope it stays this way.
Parent - - By oddg (**) Date 2010-06-01 12:13
They have now chaged this so that the pro version (not the starter) have the update service included (ref. ChessOK forum).
Parent - By ventura07 (***) Date 2010-06-01 13:36
Yes and this morning I received details on how to download the April and May updates. Thanks for getting this issue clarified!
Parent - - By teepee (*) Date 2010-06-16 16:20
I also have CA10 Pro. I have not seen any updates for June yet. Last one I was able to get was May 25th.

Are they just behind, I wonder. Or has the policy of the free updates until the end of the year changed?!
Parent - - By oddg (**) Date 2010-06-16 18:38 Edited 2010-06-16 18:41
I didn't find any update neither for CA10, May 4 is the latest.
In CA11 with  received link I see two update for June.
Parent - - By teepee (*) Date 2010-06-16 20:28
So, can someone from ChessOK please clarify if the free updates thru the end of 2010 are no longer available to CA10 Pro buyers as previously promised!
Parent - - By Tinefol (***) Date 2010-06-16 21:34
The promise still stands, you'll get your updates. Mail to sales@convekta.com in case of any problems
Parent - By teepee (*) Date 2010-06-17 00:06
Thank you.
Parent - By ventura07 (***) Date 2010-05-31 21:16
The upgrade to Pro 11 version doesn't have the update command under the Help menu.
Parent - - By Tinefol (***) Date 2010-04-20 10:19
Pretty much. Its ++version_number;
Parent - - By ventura07 (***) Date 2010-04-20 12:52
But have the bugs been fixed as promised? I'm referring to the problems of generating trees under Windows 7 and Vista and the problems with the searching by year (referred to elsewhere on this board). When these problems were referred to on the ChessOK forum, we were told that the bgs would be fixed in CA 11 and no patch would be issued for CA 10.

Thanks.
Parent - By sockmonkey (***) Date 2010-04-20 13:24
From Zhur on the ChessOK forum, in response to a similar question:

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In ca 11 must be fixed few bugs
the main: bug with rebuilding trees under Vista and windows 7

In ca 11 will be new HugeBase and new cap tree and new direct tree

After releasing ca 11 we will write what's new in ca 11.

Most possible in ca 11 will be the same database Openings (as in ca 10)
Parent - - By Tinefol (***) Date 2010-04-20 13:29
Bugs with tree generation have been fixed afaik.
Parent - - By ventura07 (***) Date 2010-04-20 14:04
How about the "1500" problem?

I have given the link to where this bug was discussed.

http://rybkaforum.net/cgi-bin/rybkaforum/topic_show.pl?pid=183087;hl=
Parent - - By opus7 (*) Date 2010-04-21 19:02
I thought the "1500" thing was feature !!

Seriously, there are more issues and bugs than just that. Background analysis regularly fails for me ( BGAtree is locked, for example ), a failure with corrupt trees/bases requiring a re-install, analysis by levels doesn't always work, the delete button for BGA and userbook doesn't work, CQL does always apply over other searches ( this may be as designed, but still irritating in classifiers ), building direct tress sometimes fails...etc..

I think it is strange to say that bugs fixed and enhancements won't be described until after CA11 is released. It will surely reflect on pre-sales, and doesn't help me decide. Its almost as if you are paying for Rybka4 & Openings 2010 ( & how different is that from the one I have already ? ) just to have a few things fixed in CA11 that should really be fixed in CA9 or 10 ! Personally, I have a v strong engine in Rybka 3, so really want CA10 improved, and not much else.

I will say that I have used CA since version 6 and it is great, but can be v frustrating to have to re-install. I know have the process to a tee, but its not what I would want.

Here's hoping that the upgrade is worthwhile.

It woudl be great to see some things like the Aquarium blog publishing in CA
Parent - By ventura07 (***) Date 2010-04-21 21:42
Yes, I would prefer a patch for CA 10 given as a mininum that the tree issue is the key feature. The issuances of patches in the past were very useful (I have been a user since CA 1.6).

The BGA script in CA 10 is empty (an bug which has been around for several versions) and the 1500 fix has been promised since CA 9 (patch 9.20 introduced that bug).

I will sitll get CA 11 but would like to have confirmation of the bugs fixed as is done with the Aquarium patches.
- - By sockmonkey (***) Date 2010-04-22 09:58
Am I crazy or does CA11 have no undo? Like if I delete a long variation accidentally. SOL?

I'm just getting started with CA and slowly realizing that with great power comes great compromise... I really don't want to spend my time futzing around with CA when I could be getting things done with CA, but the software keeps getting in my way. :(

Thanks,
Jeremy
Parent - - By ventura07 (***) Date 2010-04-22 12:13
Try Track Changes.

Edit|Track Changes
Parent - - By sockmonkey (***) Date 2010-04-22 12:26
AH ok. It's unorthodox and undocumented, and not really super-friendly if you're used to infinite, granular undo, but it's good for the ocassional screwup. I guess you just get used to saving a lot.

Thanks!
Jeremy
Parent - - By opus7 (*) Date 2010-04-23 06:15
Is that what track changes does ? I tried it once and nothing seemed to happen ! 
It's actually good to see some discussion of CA, as there is practically zero in the ChessOk forum.

I have to admit that the manual is obscure. So many features in CA are there, but undescribed or well hidden.

Classifiers are brilliant, but sub-folders don't seem to work as I expect. the sub folder doesn't start wit the folder data selection for example ( or so it seems ). Likewise SQL selection on the folder doesn't seem to add to the criteria, but rather be a separate or even overriding selection. Any opinions ?

BGA is another wonderful feature, but buggy. For some reason a new install shows a delete BGA variation ( for example ) but as soon as you start running BGA, this disappears ?

Another bug, is the memory allocation for tree building. Even if you change from the default 512, it is ignored...

I would really appreciate it, if Convekta published now what bugs and enhancements will be in CA11. They may well hav a pre-sale from me if they do.
Parent - By buffos (Silver) Date 2010-04-23 06:28

> Classifiers are brilliant


my favorite CA feature.
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