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- - By Uly (Gold) [mx] Date 2010-04-15 11:29 Edited 2010-06-13 10:43
Condiciones: De 24 a 48 horas por turno en promedio sin tiempo límite, o sea que se espera que te tardes en hacer tus jugadas al rededor de ese tiempo, pero si te pasas no hay problema (te puedes poner al corriente en el futuro).

No se permite ayuda de otra persona.

Y eso es todo :), he tomado las piezas negras:

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¡Buena suerte!

[Event "ppipper Vs. Vytron"]
[Site "Rybka Forum"]
[Date "2010.04.15 "]
[Round "1"]
[White "ppipper"]
[Black "Vytron"]
[Result "1-0"]
[ECO "E90"]
[Opening "King's Indian"]
[Variation "Transposition to 5.Nf3 O-O 6.h3 c5 7.d5"]

1. Nf3 Nf6 2. c4 g6 3. d4 Bg7 4. Nc3 O-O 5. Bf4 c5 6. d5 a6 7. e4 b5 8. Bd3
d6 9. O-O bxc4 10. Bxc4 Nbd7 11. h3 Nh5 12. Bh2 Bh6 13. Qc2 Nb6 14. b3 Rb8
15. Rfe1 Nxc4 16. bxc4 Bf4 17. Bxf4 Nxf4 18. e5 Qd7 19. Qe4 Qf5 20. Qe3 Rb2
21. exd6 exd6 22. Rab1 Rc2 23. Rbc1 Nxg2 24. Kxg2 Qxh3+ 25. Kg1 Qg4+ 26.
Kh1 Rb2 27. Rb1 Rxb1 28. Rxb1 f5 29. Nd2 Bd7 30. f4 g5 31. Qf3 Qh4+ 32. Kg2
g4 33. Qd3 Qe7 34. Rb7 h5 35. Nf1 h4 36. Ra7 Rb8 37. Nd1 a5 38. Nde3 a4 39.
Kg1 Rf8 40. Qb1 Rf7 41. Qb8+ {Black resigns.2010.06.13} 1-0
Parent - - By ppipper (*****) [es] Date 2010-04-15 11:36
Muchas gracias Vytron.

Una pregunta: como es la primera vez que juego aquí, cuál se supone que es el protocolo de comunicación? Quiero decir, escribo aquí el movimiento y cómo pego el tablero?
Parent - By Uly (Gold) [mx] Date 2010-04-15 13:00
Si quieres ahorrarte las molestias simplemente pon en un nuevo post el movimiento así:

e4

Y ya está.

Lo de copiar todo el juego y pegar un FEN (que es lo que produce el tablero) es opcional.
- - By ppipper (*****) [es] Date 2010-04-15 16:33
Entonces vamos a ver si esto funciona (pongo la notación en inglés directamente, si no te importa)

1. Nf3

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Parent - By Uly (Gold) [mx] Date 2010-04-15 17:17
Está perfecto, ya que no estoy muy acostumbrado a leer la notación en español ;)

Nf6
- By ppipper (*****) [es] Date 2010-04-16 11:02
1. Nf3 Nf6 2. c4 *

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- By Uly (Gold) [mx] Date 2010-04-17 02:20
1. Nf3 Nf6 2. c4 g6

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- By ppipper (*****) [es] Date 2010-04-17 18:48
1. Nf3 Nf6 2. c4 g6 3. d4 *

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- - By Uly (Gold) [mx] Date 2010-04-17 23:13
1. Nf3 Nf6 2. c4 g6 3. d4 Bg7

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Parent - - By SchachProfi (****) [de] Date 2010-04-18 03:35
Will follow this one silently (can't understand to much Spanish anyways), good moves to ya' both!
Parent - - By Uly (Gold) [mx] Date 2010-04-18 04:01
Yah, sorry about that, it'd just have felt very weird if we talked in english when spanish is the native language of both of us ;)
Parent - - By ppipper (*****) [es] Date 2010-04-18 09:23
Hi, no problem here also switching to english when posting publicly... :)
Parent - - By SchachProfi (****) [de] Date 2010-04-18 20:59
Hi you both,

this will be my first corresponding game to follow and i'm not participating in.
I have choosen it out of the current running ones because i have studied this
RetiEnglish-ModernQueensPawn myself and would like to learn and discuss with
you. If you allow i will post my neutral opinions about positions of the past.

Have fun,

Alex
Parent - By ppipper (*****) [es] Date 2010-04-18 21:36
Hi Alex, welcome to this thread!
Parent - - By Uly (Gold) [mx] Date 2010-04-18 21:44
Well, I think we're now pretty much in King's Indian Defense territory, the reason I played 2...g6 instead of 2...e6 was because in the Team A Team B game we played that and won the exchange for a pawn, and reached very highly scored positions that the engines loved, yet we pretty much ended in a dead drawn ending.

So, I was afraid ppipper could just sac the exchange for a pawn and have an easy draw, or something, but I'd like to try to win this game (and I'm sure ppipper does too), so I wanted to try something new (it's my first King's Indian Defense game).
Parent - - By SchachProfi (****) [de] Date 2010-04-18 22:08
Thanks for the warm welcome!
And hell yes, i don't want to see a lousy drawn one here, go for da Moro-style!

Vytron: I don't know your style and neither your games so i couldn't foresee O-O,
but yes with O-O (or d6) you moved into KIDs territory, with d5 (Gruenfeld) or
c5 (Symmetrical English) you had chances to reach other positions which i
summarize to "ModernQueensPawn" (which means a fianchetto-black with a
whites d4 and still open opening-choices for me).

I liked 1. ... Nf6 being the best besides d5 and c5, having seen a lot of 1. ... g6
(for example Cramling-Cmylite 2010) which i do consider a not-so-good move,
simply because white can already push with 2. e4 and black sees himself in
ModernPirc or SicilianHungarian then, openings not considered the be the best,
especially not for correspondence chess... but just my $0.02.

Alex
Parent - By Uly (Gold) [mx] Date 2010-04-18 22:21
I considered d5 too dangerous against an unknown opponent, this first game is meant to check how ppipper plays and what analysis method to use against him (I've found that in corr chess, the best is to play the opponent, not the board, and it has worked like a charm).
Parent - - By ppipper (*****) [es] Date 2010-04-19 15:47

> So, I was afraid ppipper could just sac the exchange for a pawn and have an easy draw


Although I am going for the full point, since this is my first game here I must admit I would be fine with a draw, especially seeing that you are quite experienced correspondence player...

This impression is already confirmed: I was going to sac the exchange for the pawn!! :-)
Parent - - By Uly (Gold) [mx] Date 2010-04-19 16:31
:)
Parent - By SchachProfi (****) [de] Date 2010-04-19 22:35
The psycho-games already started... :-)
Parent - By InspectorGadget (*****) [za] Date 2010-05-15 12:59

> Will follow this one silently (can't understand to much Spanish anyways), good moves to ya' both!


Same here.
- By ppipper (*****) [es] Date 2010-04-18 14:52
1. Nf3 Nf6 2. c4 g6 3. d4 Bg7 4. Nc3

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- By Uly (Gold) [mx] Date 2010-04-18 21:37
1. Nf3 Nf6 2. c4 g6 3. d4 Bg7 4. Nc3 O-O

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- - By ppipper (*****) [es] Date 2010-04-19 15:41
1. Nf3 Nf6 2. c4 g6 3. d4 Bg7 4. Nc3 O-O 5. Bf4 *

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Parent - - By ppipper (*****) [es] Date 2010-04-19 15:51
Why Bf4 and not the more conventional KID moves like e4 or even g3? I am still trying to avoid your KID and going for a Grunfeld which is one of my favorites...
Parent - By SchachProfi (****) [de] Date 2010-04-19 22:38
An interesting choice... a semi-smyslov to attack the mexican fort... but this way the game gets way more interesting than with the mainlines we're used to, let's see the respond...
- By Uly (Gold) [mx] Date 2010-04-20 05:51
I'll go with this:

1. Nf3 Nf6 2. c4 g6 3. d4 Bg7 4. Nc3 O-O 5. Bf4 c5

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- - By ppipper (*****) [es] Date 2010-04-20 11:30
1. Nf3 Nf6 2. c4 g6 3. d4 Bg7 4. Nc3 O-O 5. Bf4 c5 6. d5 *

I think this is the one you were expecting, but I am convinced this is the way to go... :-)

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Parent - - By SchachProfi (****) [de] Date 2010-04-20 21:34 Edited 2010-04-20 22:04
Well, i saw four valid choices for black's fifth move... c5, d6, the not-wanted-d5-Gruenfeld or (a maybe to fast?) Nh5 (which considers wanting back to f6 in mid-term), I know engines prefer c5 also in earlier depth-levels... anyways Vytrons choice is a little bit surprising to me, i'm prefering white a little bit after the chosen d5.
Parent - - By ppipper (*****) [es] Date 2010-04-20 22:06
I cannot certainly say that c5 surprised me, since I don't know (still :-)) how Mr Vytron chooses his moves.

I also consider Nh5 a bit too fast, where I was considering a line with Be5!? but probably Nf6 follows again...
Parent - - By Uly (Gold) [mx] Date 2010-04-20 22:14
I'm probably going to keep changing my analysis method thorough the game depending on your moves (mainly, if you play a move that makes me lose 0.50cps or more, that I didn't see coming, I'm going to switch to a totally different analysis method altogether), c5 accommodates for this.
Parent - - By SchachProfi (****) [de] Date 2010-04-20 22:32
The poker-way of playing chess... yes.

Now i'm interested in Vytron's plan... i'm sure has taken d5 into account and i'm looking forward what he now is going to do...
Parent - - By ppipper (*****) [es] Date 2010-04-20 22:44
I am pretty sure experienced Vytron will manage to switch from one analysis method to another: I just searched for "analysis" + "Vytron" and I found out more than 10 pages plenty of posts... I think I will have to refine my search...

I am still learning :-)
Parent - By SchachProfi (****) [de] Date 2010-04-20 23:06
Yes, he seems to be a SpeedyGonzalez, but he needs a whole plan now, not just a move...
- - By Uly (Gold) [mx] Date 2010-04-21 04:44 Edited 2010-04-21 18:14
¡Órale, arriba, arriba, arriba, ándale, ándale, epa, epa, ole, ándale! :yell:

6...a6
Parent - - By ppipper (*****) [es] Date 2010-04-21 08:31

> ¡Órale, arriba, arriba, arriba, ándale, ándale, epa, epa, ole, ándale! :yell:


umm it seems that you are happy with this position...

attacking on the queen flank with b5 and using pressure of your Bg7, I guess that may be one of your plans
Parent - - By Uly (Gold) [mx] Date 2010-04-21 17:36

> umm it seems that you are happy with this position...


Yes, though I was also imitating Speedy Gonzalez, as Schach Profi suggested :)
Parent - By SchachProfi (****) [de] Date 2010-04-21 22:01
Meap meap!

If you have a look through this subforum you see that Vytron is giving a whole simul at the moment! :-)

6. ... a6 is a interesting slow-move which may shine in mid-to-longterm, not just preparing a queenside-attack but also preventing a white's Nb5. On the other side it also prevents a black's Na6 sometimes seen in the KID's...

RoadRunner
Parent - - By Vempele (Silver) [fi] Date 2010-04-21 18:03

> 6.a6


:blink: What kind of opening has White playing a6 on the sixth move?
Parent - By Uly (Gold) [mx] Date 2010-04-21 18:14
And this happens when I don't use copy pasta.

Ironically, just "a6" would have been more correct.
- - By ppipper (*****) [es] Date 2010-04-21 18:43
1. Nf3 Nf6 2. c4 g6 3. d4 Bg7 4. Nc3 O-O 5. Bf4 c5 6. d5 a6 7. e4

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Parent - By SchachProfi (****) [de] Date 2010-04-21 22:09 Edited 2010-04-21 22:14
I guessed a black's 6. ... d6, with the played 6. ... a6 and not using an engine here i would also have chosen this 7. e4 one... especially without the d6 it gets additional chances and it is maybe more stronger than the passive h3 (giving the bishop a place to hide and preventing Ng4 or a maybe later upcoming Bg4, also preparing a later g4) or a Qc2 (giving the knight a little bit more support, clearing first row).
- By Uly (Gold) [mx] Date 2010-04-23 03:36
1. Nf3 Nf6 2. c4 g6 3. d4 Bg7 4. Nc3 O-O 5. Bf4 c5 6. d5 a6 7. e4 b5

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- - By ppipper (*****) [es] Date 2010-04-23 09:11
1. Nf3 Nf6 2. c4 g6 3. d4 Bg7 4. Nc3 O-O 5. Bf4 c5 6. d5 a6 7. e4 b5 8. Bd3 *

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Parent - - By SchachProfi (****) [de] Date 2010-04-23 23:07
Interesting choices... very interesting choices.
Parent - - By ppipper (*****) [es] Date 2010-04-23 23:37
well, just for curiosity, I have two similar otb games played by me in my local league. I really like to play in computer chess openings that I play over the board, although some of them are not very convenient.

Unfortunately I just managed to draw one of them
Parent - - By ppipper (*****) [es] Date 2010-04-23 23:42
about Bd3

I would like to know some expert opinion if it could be considered a lost of time due to the posibility bxc.

(better when Vytron has moved and just in case it does not interfere with usual corr. Chess rules)
Parent - - By SchachProfi (****) [de] Date 2010-04-23 23:59

>I really like to play in computer chess openings that I play over the board


Yes, thats a good way to learn about chess and those openings i guess.

>about Bd3


Well, everyone judges a chess-game different (thats what makes it so
interesting), but you must have seen your reasons of not playing e5 and
now serving black the initiative on the tablet :-). You know i'm not allowed
to comment on upcoming moves, but i hope you were also concerned about
other moves possible with the b5-pawn *g*... Overall, black has now already
good opening lines to further develop its queenside (even the rook can
already come into play, for example on the 6th row) plus the initiative which
white needs to get back soon! But just my $0.02... Alex
Parent - - By SchachProfi (****) [de] Date 2010-04-24 11:54
Well, i shouldn't have checked just by my human eye, engines pretty much like Bd3 :-)
Wishing you both a weekend full of sun, Alex
Parent - By ppipper (*****) [es] Date 2010-04-24 20:16
wonderful weather in Madrid this weekend... thx!
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