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- - By isilverman (***) Date 2010-02-25 04:37
I understand the software strength has increased immensely in the past 2 decades, and software is much more configurable. Still, this is not really an answer to why hardware computers, both large, and small, handheld, are still about the same strength they were in 1992. I mean, what is going on?
Parent - - By Uly (Gold) Date 2010-02-25 05:29
In what sense? Hardware is clearly faster than 18 years ago, basically 64 times faster if the Moore law holds.
Parent - - By Eelco de Groot (***) Date 2010-02-25 09:07 Edited 2010-02-25 09:12
He is referring to dedicated units I think. If anything they only seem to have gotten weaker because they can't compete with PC hardware anyway, at least not on a competive price; if you already have a PC you don't include the hardware costs  for any chessprograms you load onto it. The programs for dedicated chesscomputers I'm sure could have gotten stronger but even the development costs for minor improvements seems to be outweighed by the fact that 80% of the buyers just want to play against them and 95% would lose already against the old hardware and old programs, so stronger computers whether in hardware or software would not be very encouraging for beginners, people who just want a sparring partner or a chess companion on travels etc. But basically I think the market is not as big as it was. There is not really much innovation apart from the last robots and Phoenix and Revelation.
Parent - By Uly (Gold) Date 2010-02-25 17:28
I see, thank you.
Parent - - By pokerpawn (***) Date 2010-02-25 08:59
i think he means chess computers , table top models or handheld
yes they are only marginally better because noone invests any time or money in it , very small market
Parent - - By isilverman (***) Date 2010-02-25 18:56
Yes, that was what I meant. I did have an old Palm T5 half a decade ago, with software that made it stronger than many current PC programs. But I don't have that anymore.

Why can't someone do just one, just one handheld dedicated chess computer that is state of the art? Can't someone export a current pc program to a ROM or something...Geesh...
Parent - - By Carl Bicknell (*****) Date 2010-02-25 22:49

> Why can't someone do just one, just one handheld dedicated chess computer that is state of the art? Can't someone export a current pc program to a ROM or something...Geesh...


These do exist. Try this link
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http://www.phoenixcs.nl/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=27&Itemid=1

running around 500Mhz or so and at about 2600 ish elo. Not amazing but a lot better than even the Tasc R30!
Parent - By NATIONAL12 (Gold) Date 2010-02-25 23:09
dedicated chess computers

i think the expert on this is Steve on Hiarcs forum.
Parent - By Mark (****) Date 2010-02-26 02:30

> Why can't someone do just one, just one handheld dedicated chess computer that is state of the art? Can't someone export a current pc program to a ROM or something...Geesh...


Get an Ipod Touch, download Glaurung or Hiarcs, delete everything else and. ...  you'll have a very strong dedicated handheld!
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