This sounds a little paranoid, but on playchess, I go through little streaks.
I make and load a new book and have great results. Then, I start getting killed. Then, I tune the old book, or make a new one. Then my results get better again. Then, I start ketting killed again.
I am not suggesting a conspiracy against me, but is this how things normally progress?
Some work hard on their theory. They analyse every draw or god forbid a loss. And fix these lines.
So next time you play the same line vs. that opponent - your book no longer works...
And like in any sport, some spend more time, focus, talent into this, and do this more frequently too than others.
It take patience, time and most likely also a certain degree of Asperger syndrome to analyse *every* draw, loss and _win_ and improve them.
I know I do that ;)
I looked you up in my playchess database.
Your are +1 against me!
We drew, I won, we drew, then you won 2.
I've been known to "obsess" a little myself. I must look at our games to prepare for our future battles.
In any event, it appears that the playchess community as a whole is adding to chess knowledge and improving chess every day.
/* Steinar */
For sure other moves but 1.e4 are weaker for computer chess but they are also much less known. Besides this fact, you can actually get very accurate analysis for Sicilian lines just observing certain games, which does not happen in openings that nobody plays
However, in order for 1.b4 to really work well you need to accompany it with superior hardware. Then you can accept an evaluation disadvantage out of book and still grind down your weaker opponent.
By the way, don't accuse me of anything. I hardly ever visit the engine room and when I do my record is not impressive.
Pardon me; PlayChess has made it quit clear that it is not a public chess server. It has declared itself to be a private for profit business enterprise. The games played on this private server are most certainly the property of ChessBase. While allowing some players to make these games available to the public, its policy is much less clear on using macros to autonomously run on paid accounts. If ChessBase or its agents, would like to correct my understanding, now is your opportunity to do so.
I am sure Eros, Zacks, Suj or any of the big collectors out there will tell you that while having a deep database is useful, it isn't a panacea. By themselves games do not add as much ELO as you might think all other things being equal. I've been collecting like mad for the past six years (today is the sixth anniversary since I first logged into Playchess) and I wonder if it was all worth it given the state of the hobby today. I've concluded that even if you had 100 million games in book it would represent a surprisingly small advantage over some of the books that are out there today with far less than a million games. "Book wins" are largely a thing of the past, something you can pull off against a rookie maybe, but rarely against a veteran player unless you have done some very serious analysis. As for a book's usefulness in Freestyle, that's undeniable, unless you're playing Shahar and he decides to neutralize the book in four moves with some offbeat variation.
My conclusion is that there ought to be an abatement of paranoia and feelings of persecution. If you want a bigger database then quit complaining and go get the games. Warning: you cannot imagine ahead of time how time-consuming collecting, filtering and managing this whole process can be. It's a serious lifestyle choice with zero fun factor. Few are suited for it.
> The games played on this private server are most certainly the property of ChessBase
Sorry, I am not agree with this statement.
Games are property of their authors, Player 1 and Player 2, regardless where they were played.
Let us say, for the sake of discussion, the games we play on the PlayChess server belong to the two players that played them. Then all one would be required to do if they did not wish others to use their games or make them public is to put in their account profile “All Games Played With This Account are Copyrighted © 2010 by the player” I am sure CB would not wish to facilitate theft of intellectual property and would immediately disable the aspect of their GUI that automatically captures games that are kibitzed. Watching a game being played and recording it are two different things.
Now, I am playing the devil's advocate here. Of course, CB retains the legal rights to all games played on it server. However if you wrote them asking about this point of law, you would not get an answer. If you continued to press the question using server chat or mail, an unpaid agent of CB would communicate with you, an enforcer, giving you the option of stopping your inquiry or being banned.
As Nelson alluded to earlier, the engine room is much like Mos Eisley space port on Tatooine. “A more wretched hive of scum and villainy you will not find in the chess universe.”
> Then all one would be required to do if they did not wish others to use their games or make them public is to put in their account profile “All Games Played With This Account are Copyrighted © 2010 by the player”
It would not be enough. If you are playing your games in a club, you must follow that club's rules. In this case, the club is PCC server, and according to those rules, anyone can kibitz your games as you can kibitz other's. I guess there must be other internet servers around, where you can play without being kb'zed.
Bots have a nick but are actually programs set to automatically kibbitz all games from certain players or certain elo ranges. They can kibbitz many games at the same time. The owner of the autokibbitzer bot can leave it running for hours unattended and all the kibbitzed games will be saved on their PC for use in book tuning. If ever you feel you are being "followed" by a particular nick check and you may find that it is simultaneously kibbitzing dozens of games - that is an autokibbitzer.
Some people feel that this is in some way unethical but as far as I know it is not illegal to do this and Playchess.com have not banned the practice. Personally I agree with Nelson here. When we play in the engine room others are free to kibbitz the game. If it is OK to kibbitz a game then why is it wrong to kibbitz multiple games - what is the difference in principle ? A game played on a public server by default becomes a publicly accessible game and so do all the moves made in that game - you cannot "own" a chess game. If Magnus Carlsen plays a game in a top tournament and produces a brilliant novelty in a particular opening line then from that point onwards that new line is public property and others are free to use it. There is no grounds on which Carlsen could object and claim others should not use "his" move. Indeed this is how opening theory develops over the years. So it is in engine chess - if somebody kibbitzes a game they are entitled to use that game and any lines in it to tune their opening book.
This is an old topic that has been debated many times on here. I would be interested to hear any other views.
If ChessBase has no objections, to allowing everyone to use macro auto kibitzing programs, it would be my pleasure to post a how-to guide here on this forum. This practice is as you say, ethical, so long as all are permitted to do it. It does not require extra hardware or advanced computer knowledge. Strange is it not, that it is so hard to get those that know how to do it, to talk about it. Maybe, it gives a few players that are in the know an advantage that they do not wish to relinquish. Maybe if too many players did it, it would be stopped.
In my view, making it so nobody can collect them means 100% loss of useful knowledge, a complete and total waste.
It seems like it would be very easy for someone like Kevin to establish a group of people who collected and shared games in some efficient and unobtrusive way. If he then wanted to publish the games like chessgladiators then that would be easy too, and no harm done. Or if he wanted to be secretive more power to him.
On the other hand if the goal is to wreak vengeance then that's par for the course in computer chess. If you can't beat them or even match them then denounce them and piss on them, the bastards. I suspect that is the general attitude.
download. At least that will slow them down a bit.
Downloading my games I have no problem with , but auto collecting EVERY high level game all the time is overkill.
This disease has spread to ICC as well, even though this policy was outlawed on ICC in the past and accounts kicked for it. But now some account "TheGodsRus" nonstop copies
everyones games and the admins seem ignorant of it.
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