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Poll What is your opinion about testing Rybka 3 against Rybka 3 in SCCT 2010 ? (Closed)
1) No Testing:Rybka 3 against Rybka 3 11 28%
2) Allow Testing:Rybka 3 against Rybka 3 28 72%
- - By Sedat Canbaz (*****) Date 2010-02-02 02:02
Hello Dear Friends,

What is your opinion about testing Rybka 3 against Rybka 3 in SCCT 2010 ?
http://www.sedatchess.com/scct2010.html

1) No Testing:Rybka 3 against Rybka 3
2) Allow Testing:Rybka 3 against Rybka 3


Note:depending on the majority of the votes,the conditions will be changed

Btw,for example the current SCCT 2010's conditions:
-No testing between same kind of engines or against older versions by the same Author

Thanks in advance,
Sedat Canbaz
Parent - - By Uly (Gold) Date 2010-02-02 02:23
Since you are testing books, the best book with the worst engine will perform bad no matter what, so I think Rybka v Rybka games should be allowed.
Parent - By Arclite (*) Date 2010-02-02 07:56
we'll in some positions other engines might see a "winning" position after the book is out of moves while rybka might see the position as losing. I give props to rybka for having a pretty accurate evaluation but other recent engines are getting close.
Parent - By Sedat Canbaz (*****) Date 2010-02-02 08:54
the best book with the worst engine will perform bad no matter what
Hmm...thats normally true,but i can say:
-Exactly that '' worst engine'' can perform approx. 1-100 elo points more or less,depending of which book is using !

Best,
Sedat
Parent - By Morpheus (****) Date 2010-02-02 15:02
Absolutly I agree :-) indeed ...
Parent - - By Uri Blass (*****) Date 2010-02-04 15:56
Nobody has the best book but with the best book you do not need an engine because you get the perfect player that play everything right out of book.

Uri
Parent - By Uly (Gold) Date 2010-02-04 22:40
I didn't mean the best possible book, I meant, you put together all existing books and test them, the one having the best result would be the best book.

In this case the best book would be the one getting the best result from the book population.
Parent - By Sedat Canbaz (*****) Date 2010-02-02 08:57 Edited 2010-02-02 09:04
Wow...as i expected :),so far the majority of the votes are going to:
2) Allow Testing:Rybka 3 against Rybka 3

If the final vote results will be finished in this way=the conditions will be changed

Regards,
Sedat
Parent - - By jeandis (***) Date 2010-02-02 12:35
rybka 3 against rybka with differents books is ok. Always run the best engine program against itself with differents books. May be tomorrow it'll be stockfish 1.7? or rybka 4? or an another.
If you ran the best book with an engine more or less strong against the better engine with an regular book (with the same hardware of course) the second option will win and will not show the reality and we will get a false sight.
Parent - - By Uly (Gold) Date 2010-02-02 21:17
Good point, Sedat I hope that "allowing Rybka 3 v Rybka 3" winning on the poll means that same engine v same engine will be allowed on the future.
Parent - By Sedat Canbaz (*****) Date 2010-02-03 09:59
"allowing Rybka 3 v Rybka 3"
Yes...with a big possibility i will allow testing Rybka 3 v Rybka 3 and then i am quite sure the previous standings will be changed too
Lets see...and only a few days are left to publish the real monster of SCCT 2010

Greetings,
Sedat
Parent - - By Sedat Canbaz (*****) Date 2010-02-04 07:44
2) Allow Testing:Rybka 3 against Rybka 3 won with a clear difference (72%)
And i have already started testing Rybka 3 vs Rybka 3,including many registered Rybka 3 books

Thanks a lot to everyone that voted,
Sedat Canbaz
Parent - - By BrandonSi (***) Date 2010-02-04 14:20
The work never ends! Thanks Sedat, we appreciate your effort!
Parent - By Sedat Canbaz (*****) Date 2010-02-05 11:00
You are welcome  :)

Btw,i have good news for you,your Uptown book is performing very well (currently 4th place)

Best,
Sedat
- By josias mauricio (**) Date 2010-02-02 14:23
the tournament of two engines the same is valid.
what are the different opening books.
the book that takes longer to leave you more time to think the engine.
logical if the book leave the engine in a better position
- - By josias mauricio (**) Date 2010-02-04 18:41
the best book is one that leaves the engine in better positions.
that's the difference that a good book to have the best lines on the other
Parent - By josias mauricio (**) Date 2010-02-04 23:27
That's right
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