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- - By Alkelele (****) Date 2007-06-25 18:10 Edited 2007-06-25 21:07
A little "unofficial" report.

First, congrats to team Rajlich for becoming the first double Freestyle winner :-)

It is fair to say that the final field was very impressive this time. There were earlier finalists on 8 of the teams -- all except Kreuzfahrtschiff and Ultra-d (even though the guy behind the Ultra-d nick allegedly teamed up with Suj, aka Mission Control).

As for trends in this final, I can think of a few:

1) The final was dominated by 4 centaur teams -- I count here Rentner2 instead of Klosterfrau (alias IM Dennis Breder, who unfortunately didn't have time to play more that a couple games as centaur). Except for the round 8 game where Rentner2 lost on time to Klosterfrau (on auto), these 4 teams picked up most of their points from the pure engines with no losses against them.

2) The Najdorf was administered a tough beating. Especially the topical Poisened Pawn discussions were interesting and worthy of recognition beyond the relatively small community of Freestyle players.

3) As in the 6th qualifier, the French was very popular. I think many people choose this opening because they are not content with just a draw as black.

Nick Carlin had kindly invited me to team up with him and Majd al-Ansari after he had qualified for the final. I could not play on Saturday, but on short notice we managed to arrange for Jiri Dufek and Roman Chytilek (=team Xakru, 4th Freestyle winners) to take over in these games. My comments on their games are from the engine-free observer's naive point of view ;-)

Our hardware was: Majd's quad and dual Intels over UCI pipe, my own dual Opteron, and then Nick's quad. The latter could not be feeded to me directly due to firewall issues, but Nick did an awesome job copying PVs in lightning speed to me over MSN chat. 

1. Round, Flyingfatman - Mission Control.
21.0-0 is interesting, but not quite a novelty. It was played also in a rapid game Shirov-Gouliev, 2007.04.06, Calatrava. However, in most public discussions (and in Gorgiev's The Sharpest Sicilian), only 21.Bxf8 has been mentioned, so it was a nice move to get in vs. a pure engine given that Suj's team was not booked against it. I had prepared the 10.e5 attack and the then-novelty 21.0-0 also before the 5th Freestyle final, but Hercules01 (=Mission Control) played 6...h6 in that game.

My preparation was based on 24.Be5 (instead of 24.Bc7) Ng6 25.Bc3 Rf8 26.h4!? (or 26.Nd6) and already things are beginning to look fairly promising for white (one line is 26...Qc6? 27.Nd6 f6 28.Qxg6 Qxc3 29.Ne8). I had not looked at 24.Bc7 before the game. Since Rybka quickly finds this 24.Be5 line and likes white here, it should be obvious that I was only able to play 24.Bc7 so quickly (in less than 3 minutes) because I already knew it was pretty damn good and better than 24.Be5. Indeed I had already analysed 30.Qxf5! before playing 24.Bc7, and I had also worked out 26...Qxd6 to a clearly winning position (it will be B+3p vs. 4p in the end). The game illustrates very well that in some positions, centaurs can be almost infinitely faster than a pure engine. Incidentally, the position before 24.Bc7 fits well into difficult tactical test-suites a la "Can your engine find this move?". I used a couple of 2.3.2a Rybkas and no other engine while playing this game.

2. round, Flyingfatman - New Man.
28.Qh6! is a nice novelty, probably ending the discussion of this wild line. The stem game is Etaoin Shrdlu - Cato the Younger from the 5th Freestyle qualifer. After that game's 28.Qxd7+, white wins a rook, but the game turned out to demonstrate that black's pawn mass is extremely difficult for white to handle. I had been told by an analysis friend about this 28.Qh6 idea shortly before the game, and I spent some time in the opening to work out enough details before going into the line. 30.f5 and 35.Raf1 were nice moves. On 29...Kc5 (instead of 29...Kc7), the move 30.f5 also looks very promising. With queens still on board, black's king is not feeling too well in the center.

3. round, Ultra-D - Flyingfatman.
First, our opponents played an extremely nice game here. After 10.a3, I was smelling blood -- a2-a3 may generally be reasonable in Rybka-Rybka blitz games, but if black is a little "creative", it seems to invite disaster on the queenside. Thinking this, I quickly became frustrated that I could not find any clear-cut way to approach the position. I spent half an hour to reach the position after 15...Qc7, and was finally feeling fairly confident about our chances. The idea was to play 0-0 + Rc8 on just about any white moves, but then they took their first think and came up with 16.Na2!, trapping the rook on c4. 21.g5! + 22.Rhe1! were also nice moves, and from this point, it was just a lot of hard work for us to save the draw.

4. round, Flyingfatman - Rentner2.
Rentner2 seemed well-prepared in yet another French opening and followed up with strong move 26...g5!, probably killing the last of white's edge.

5. round, Klosterfrau - Flyingfatman.
Klosterfrau as pure engine played 3.Bb5 vs. the Sicilian, and I hardly think anything new happened in that game before a dead draw was on the board.

6. round, Flyingfatman - Cato the Younger.
Jiri and Roman built up a good edge after having surprised Cato team with 1.d4, but Cato team defended very well. We were a bit unlucky, as technological problems delayed some of Jiri's moves, and Cato got more time to find the precise defense, but one can always speculate what might have, if...

7. round, Kreuzfahrtschiff - Flyingfatman.
I heard that prominent kibitzers were not too impressed with my 12...g5 novelty in this PP Najdorf :-) It's ok, we got a draw without having to leave our preparation for a single move. After the tournament, one can always wonder if we might have increased our winning chances in this game by choosing some other opening line.

8. round, Flyingfatman - Rajlich.
We apparently ran into Iweta's early morning preparation. I played for cheap tricks with h4-h5, but black could just castle long and slowly prepare counterplay on the king-side. 16.Kf1 was not a mouse-slip. I had simply missed the strength of some Be8 move in lines where white castles and had to bail out somehow. I wanted black to take on e5, black showed his intention not to do so, and a draw by repetition was a logical outcome. I was relieved by the draw since we were so low on time, but at the same time dissappointed. This was really a must-win game.

9. round, PvP - Flyingfatman.
We had some discussions before the game, and I think we agreed that we didn't care if we drew or lost -- only a win counted. We decided to go for a slightly off-beat Berlin Defense line, trying to sidetrack playchess theory. A symmetrical and overall drawish position occured, and then we proceeded to outplay PvP's pure Rybka :-) Nd7-f8-g6 and Bf8 were nice human ideas, and soon after 24...fxe5, we were very optimistic about our winning chances. But, alas, white were just able to cling on to some kind of blocked position - I still haven't found a truly promising black deviation from the game.

The games can be found posted elsewhere on this forum. I may collect them later and attach them to this post, but I have to go now.
Parent - By Nick (*****) Date 2007-06-25 22:38
Thanks Dagh.

Just for the record - in game 1 I wasn't able to send Dagh a single PV as my quad was knocked out by a lightning storm.  Not that this mattered of course.  I only had half an eye on the game as I was trying to sort out power issues, then I get a ping from Dagh on MSN Messenger saying .. "this is 1-0" , I think "hang on, he's still in the opening", and I checked my watch and I just couldn't believe it.  In the Playchess game chat people were going nuts, saying what an amazing game it was.   A few nights previously Dagh had mentioned he might have found something, I knew it was around the Junior-Fritz / Rybka-Shredder game theme but that was all - it was best not to tell me in case it ended up in the engine room on playchess by mistake I think.

We had a few fun sessions on MSN with me gaining some insights into how Dagh works, I can only say that his preparation is, well, just terrifying. :)

More to come in our official report.
Parent - - By David Evans (****) Date 2007-06-25 22:49
Yes Na2! was a good move but we could not quite drum up enough pressure in this game for a win this was the last game i had a team of two for the rest of the comp i stood alone which to say the least was hard but i learned a lot i found a win in this game will post it later for the readers.

3. round, Ultra-D - Flyingfatman.
First, our opponents played an extremely nice game here. After 10.a3, I was smelling blood -- a2-a3 may generally be reasonable in Rybka-Rybka blitz games, but if black is a little "creative", it seems to invite disaster on the queenside. Thinking this, I quickly became frustrated that I could not find any clear-cut way to approach the position. I spent half an hour to reach the position after 15...Qc7, and was finally feeling fairly confident about our chances. The idea was to play 0-0 + Rc8 on just about any white moves, but then they took their first think and came up with 16.Na2!, trapping the rook on c4. 21.g5! + 22.Rhe1! were also nice moves, and from this point, it was just a lot of hard work for us to save the draw.
Parent - - By M ANSARI (*****) Date 2007-06-26 05:51 Edited 2007-06-26 06:23
Yes the Ultra-D was the only game where I thought position was bad and maybe losing.  But Dagh did some amazing moves and soon enough it was obvious that they had missed the best continuation and was draw.  I cannot explain enough how much a good Centaur is a force multiplying factor.  I would choose a good Centaur with a Quad over a 512 core machine alone any day.  By being able to probe the critical lines the Quad with Centaur help will actually search much deeper because it is only searching the relevant lines and thus can discard useless lines.  The Mission Control game is exactly such a game ... after the Fritz vs Junior game and Rybka vs Shredder game the position was analyzed quite a bit and there were many themes where black gets in trouble very quickly because his queen was very poorly placed yet it was the only thing holding the black position together.  Yet even with strong hardware the variety of moves are so great that engines generally will not be able to search deep enough (at least not today) because they will not be able to identify the critical lines and then search them.

I think we also might have missed two wins, one was against Cato where the position looked very dangerous for black.  At the critical moment a lot of time was wasted due to technical problems.  Otherwise I am not sure the Cato team would have had enough time to find the most accurate moves to draw.  Maybe there was a forced win somewhere.  I had thought maybe Kh3 line and after playing it through white sacs bishop for black a passer and ends up with rook and 3 connected pawns vs rook and knight ... but am not really sure that gets anything more than a draw.  Our final game also looked very good.  The Berlin defense was a perfect setup to play against an engine with no human assistance.  It is notoriously solid against tactics (as Kasparov discovered) and follows very long term plans where white can lose positionally before he even realizes it.  Dagh totally outplayed Rybka ... black managed to keep 2 bishops ... exchanged its remaining Knight to prevent white from getting 2 Knights ... had huge center pawns .... all this in an open position.  Even when the evaluation was still in white's favor I remember telling Nick that this game was in the bag.  Well that damn Rybka can defend like a lioness who is having her little cubs harassed.  Somehow the initiative fizzled and all of a sudden after a few white pawn pushes white had plenty of play and could draw.  Maybe there was no win after all !

All in all it was fun but very very tiring.  Also playing Centaur is much more difficult than I could ever imagine.  I remember playing a test game against Dagh one night as practice and midway into the game I was thinking this guy is getting crushed.  Next thing I know he is wondering why I am playing so poorly.  My crushing position didn't have a Knight on d4 yet his did.  I realized then that my board was showing different position because I was trying different lines and somehow I ended up with different position than what was on.  So man ... it is really really easy to do the "mouse slip" thingy.  Especially with a lot of windows open ... you end up forgetting which window is which.  I am actually amazed that not more of these "slips" happen.

Finally congrats to Vas who again has shown that he is King in this type of format ... and congrats to all others who have shown some great abilities. 
Parent - By Uri Blass (*****) Date 2007-06-26 06:01
I think that you overestimate Centaurs and I think that 512 core machine is better.
Vasik as centaur could not win rybka with white in the last round and rybka did not have a 512 core machine.

Uri
Parent - - By Intagrand (*) Date 2007-06-26 08:41
I don't think it's very nice for someone to say that they could have won if they played faster, doubting our ability to come up with a defence.  You had a better position and I don't know whether it was winning for white or not. But please, if you believe you had a winning continuation, come up with the goods and show us the line :)

At which move were you considering Kh3? I thought we both played a good game which ended in a draw. I would hate to think that we only drew because of your technical problems... or more accurately, I would hate for you to think that we drew due to your technical problems :)
Parent - By Harvey Williamson (*****) Date 2007-06-26 08:43
Sounds a bit like WCCC ;-)
Parent - - By Alkelele (****) Date 2007-06-26 09:31 Edited 2007-06-26 09:38
Ah, good, some controversy :-)

>or more accurately, I would hate for you to think that we drew due to your technical problems


Please rest assured that we think you defended very well in this game, as already stated in the initial comments. Basically, I just wanted to add some color to the game comments by relaying some of the team-feelings we had during the tournament. Generally, I think that people, including your team, should only welcome this kind of honesty and openness ;-)

We surely don't know what might have happened if and if... We don't think you wouldn't have been able to draw if we had played faster.

I can compare to our game vs. Ultra-D. They took a long time to play 21.g5!, and after such a game where they didn't cash in in a promising position, it would only be natural for them to wonder what might have happened if they had played 21.g5 faster. In fact, I was helped by their hesitation at this point, as we had already found 21.g5 to be dangerous, and I could analyse in advance and avoid one losing line after another. Would we also have drawn if they had played 21.g5 faster? I simply don't know. If they were to say that they had some bad luck because of a technical problem at this point of the game, I would agree, even though I don't know what the outcome might have been if only...

So, this comment was not really about your hypothetical performence in some hypothetical situation. It was about informing the interested reader about what went on in the game(s). Sure, people can read insults or excuses into such comments, but none are intended, and if we didn't tell about such incidences, the reports would be a lot less interesting.

To sum up: You got a well-deserved draw in a good game, and we are still left wondering how to defeat the seemingly invincible Cato the Younger team :-) How is that for some sincere flattery? :-)
Parent - - By Intagrand (*) Date 2007-06-26 10:34
That's more like it :) No seriously, It's good to know what was going on behind the scenes, thanks for your views. You guys are really fired up actively looking for new ways to win. That can only be a good thing for the game. Your win over Mission Control was very impressive and in general I don't see how it is possible to improve on your level of play but I'm sure you'll think of something!
Parent - By Vasik Rajlich (Silver) Date 2007-06-27 13:49
Really, it's a question of what is the point of a post-mortem. Is it to exchange interesting information? Or to make sure that your opponent feels lucky about his result (even if he lost :)) and understands that next time it will be much worse?

Vas
Parent - By Alkelele (****) Date 2007-06-30 11:16

>Also playing Centaur is much more difficult than I could ever imagine.  I remember playing a test game against Dagh one night as practice and midway into the game I was thinking this guy is getting crushed.  Next thing I know he is wondering why I am playing so poorly.  My crushing position didn't have a Knight on d4 yet his did.  I realized then that my board was showing different position because I was trying different lines and somehow I ended up with different position than what was on.  So man ... it is really really easy to do the "mouse slip" thingy.  Especially with a lot of windows open ... you end up forgetting which window is which.  I am actually amazed that not more of these "slips" happen.


There was a funny story told by Yasser Seirewan. He was a young guy, going to the US to help some big-shot player prepare for an important tournament (it was not Korchnoi, I can't remember who it was). In this tournament, Polugajevsky was playing. The big-shot player wanted to challenge Polu in his own variation, the Bg5 Najdorf with his name (an early b5). Yasser and him analysed for a week, finding one beautiful line after another... They believed they had refuted the entire variation... Then, after a week, they suddenly found out that they had set up a wrong position as starting point for their analysis!!! The position just didn't occur exactly as they had set it up.... Yasser was devastated, apologizing over and over, and this strong, experienced guy put his hand on Yasser's shoulders so as to signal "don't worry" and said to him: "ALL analysis is good analysis!"

That's how I remember the story anyway. Apparently, even the best in the world can get lost in the maze of variations in chess :-)
Parent - - By Uly (Gold) Date 2007-06-26 09:27

> The games can be found posted elsewhere on this forum. I may collect them later and attach them to this post, but I have to go now.


Here they are :)

[Event "6. PAL/CSS Freestyle Tournament Final R"]
[Site "playchess.com"]
[Date "2007.06.22"]
[Round "1.1"]
[White "Flyingfatman"]
[Black "Mission control, Rybka 2.1d3 mp"]
[Result "1-0"]
[ECO "B97"]
[WhiteElo "2682"]
[BlackElo "2468"]
[PlyCount "53"]
[EventDate "2007.06.22"]
[EventType "match (rapid)"]

1. e4 c5 2. Nf3 d6 3. d4 cxd4 4. Nxd4 Nf6 5. Nc3 a6 6. Bg5 e6 7. f4 Qb6 8. Qd2
Qxb2 9. Rb1 Qa3 10. e5 dxe5 11. fxe5 Nfd7 12. Ne4 Qxa2 13. Rd1 h6 14. Bh4 Qd5
15. Qe3 Qxe5 16. Be2 Bc5 17. Bg3 Bxd4 18. Rxd4 Qa5+ 19. Rd2 O-O 20. Bd6 Nc6 21.
O-O Re8 22. Qg3 Qb6+ 23. Kh1 Ne7 24. Bc7 Qc6 25. Rxf7 Kxf7 26. Nd6+ Kg8 27.
Nxe8 1-0

[Event "6. PAL/CSS Freestyle Tournament Final R"]
[Site "playchess.com"]
[Date "2007.06.22"]
[Round "1.1"]
[White "Flyingfatman"]
[Black "New Man, Rybka 2.3.2a mp 1"]
[Result "1-0"]
[ECO "C11"]
[WhiteElo "2690"]
[BlackElo "2638"]
[PlyCount "146"]
[EventDate "2007.06.22"]
[EventType "match (rapid)"]

1. e4 e6 2. d4 d5 3. Nc3 Nf6 4. e5 Nfd7 5. f4 c5 6. Nf3 Nc6 7. Be3 Qb6 8. Na4
Qa5+ 9. c3 cxd4 10. b4 Nxb4 11. cxb4 Bxb4+ 12. Bd2 Bxd2+ 13. Nxd2 O-O 14. Bd3
b5 15. Nb2 Nb6 16. O-O Nc4 17. Nbxc4 bxc4 18. Bxh7+ Kxh7 19. Qh5+ Kg8 20. Nf3
f6 21. exf6 Rxf6 22. Ng5 Qd8 23. Qh7+ Kf8 24. Qh8+ Ke7 25. Qxg7+ Kd6 26. Nh7
Rf5 27. g4 Qd7 28. Qh6 Rf7 29. Ng5 Kc7 30. f5 exf5 31. Nxf7 Qxf7 32. Qf4+ Kc6
33. Qxd4 Qg6 34. Rf4 Qd6 35. Raf1 Qc5 36. gxf5 Qxd4+ 37. Rxd4 Kc5 38. Rg4 Bd7
39. Rg7 Kd6 40. Rg6+ Ke5 41. f6 Rf8 42. Rg5+ Kd6 43. Rf3 Be6 44. Kf2 Bf7 45.
Ke3 Re8+ 46. Kd2 Rb8 47. Rg7 Ke6 48. Kc3 Rh8 49. h3 a5 50. Kd4 Rh6 51. Rgg3
Rh4+ 52. Kc5 Rh8 53. Rg5 a4 54. Rg1 Rc8+ 55. Kd4 Kd6 56. Rg7 Ke6 57. Rh7 Rf8
58. Rf2 c3 59. Kxc3 Rc8+ 60. Kb4 Rf8 61. h4 a3 62. h5 d4 63. Kc4 Ke5+ 64. Kd3
Kd6 65. Kxd4 Ke6 66. Kc3 Rc8+ 67. Kb4 Rf8 68. h6 Kd6 69. Rxf7 Rxf7 70. h7 Rf8
71. f7 Ke7 72. Re2+ Kd6 73. Re8 Rxf7 1-0

[Event "6. PAL/CSS Freestyle Tournament Final R"]
[Site "playchess.com"]
[Date "2007.06.22"]
[Round "1.1"]
[White "Ultra-d"]
[Black "Flyingfatman"]
[Result "1/2-1/2"]
[ECO "B80"]
[WhiteElo "2491"]
[BlackElo "2463"]
[PlyCount "117"]
[EventDate "2007.06.22"]
[EventType "match (rapid)"]

1. e4 c5 2. Nf3 d6 3. d4 cxd4 4. Nxd4 Nf6 5. Nc3 a6 6. Be3 e6 7. f3 b5 8. Qd2
Nbd7 9. O-O-O Bb7 10. a3 Rc8 11. h4 Be7 12. g4 Ne5 13. Be2 Nc4 14. Bxc4 Rxc4
15. Kb1 Qc7 16. Na2 Nd7 17. b3 Rc5 18. Ne2 Ne5 19. Bxc5 Qxc5 20. Nd4 O-O 21. g5
Qxa3 22. Rhe1 Bd8 23. f4 Ba5 24. c3 Nd7 25. Qb2 Qxb2+ 26. Kxb2 Rc8 27. f5 e5
28. Nc2 f6 29. Ncb4 fxg5 30. Rxd6 Nc5 31. hxg5 Bc7 32. Rdd1 Bd8 33. Nd5 Bxg5
34. Re2 h6 35. c4 bxc4 36. bxc4 Rb8 37. Kc2 Bc6 38. Nac3 a5 39. Rb1 Rc8 40.
Ree1 Bh4 41. Rh1 Bg5 42. Rhd1 Bd8 43. Rd2 Bg5 44. Re2 Kf8 45. Ree1 Bh4 46. Rh1
Bg5 47. Rbd1 a4 48. Kb2 Nb3 49. Rdg1 Be8 50. Nb6 Rb8 51. Rxg5 Rxb6 52. Rg2 Nd2+
53. Ka1 Nxc4 54. Nd5 Rb7 55. Rd1 Bh5 56. Rd3 Rb3 57. Rgg3 Rxd3 58. Rxd3 Be8 59.
Nc7 1/2-1/2

[Event "6th Freestyle Final, Round 4"]
[Site "playchess.com #101611"]
[Date "2007.06.23"]
[Round "1.1"]
[White "Flyingfatman"]
[Black "Rentner2"]
[Result "1/2-1/2"]
[ECO "C11"]
[BlackElo "1732"]
[PlyCount "74"]
[EventDate "2007.06.23"]
[EventType "match (rapid)"]

1. e4 e6 2. d4 d5 3. Nc3 Nf6 4. e5 Nfd7 5. f4 c5 6. Nf3 Nc6 7. Be3 cxd4 8. Nxd4
Qb6 9. Qd2 Qxb2 10. Rb1 Qa3 11. Bb5 Nxd4 12. Bxd4 Bb4 13. O-O a6 14. Rb3 Qa5
15. Rfb1 Be7 16. Bxd7+ Bxd7 17. Rxb7 Bc5 18. Rb8+ Ke7 19. R1b5 Bxd4+ 20. Qxd4
Qa3 21. Rxh8 axb5 22. Rxa8 Qxa8 23. Qc5+ Ke8 24. Kf2 Qb8 25. Ne2 Qd8 26. g3 g5
27. Ke3 gxf4+ 28. Nxf4 Qa5 29. c3 Qa4 30. Qd4 b4 31. Qxb4 Qc2 32. Qb8+ Ke7 33.
Ne2 Qxa2 34. Qd6+ Ke8 35. Qb8+ Ke7 36. Qb4+ Ke8 37. Qb8+ Ke7 1/2-1/2

[Event "6th Freestyle Final, Round 5"]
[Site "playchess.com #101629"]
[Date "2007.06.23"]
[Round "1.1"]
[White "Klosterfrau, Rybka 2.3.2a mp"]
[Black "Flyingfatman"]
[Result "1/2-1/2"]
[ECO "B52"]
[WhiteElo "2493"]
[BlackElo "2704"]
[PlyCount "64"]
[EventDate "2007.06.23"]
[EventType "match (rapid)"]

1. e4 c5 2. Nf3 d6 3. Bb5+ Bd7 4. Bxd7+ Qxd7 5. O-O Nc6 6. c3 Nf6 7. d4 Nxe4 8.
d5 Ne5 9. Re1 Nf6 10. Nxe5 dxe5 11. c4 O-O-O 12. Nc3 e6 13. Bg5 h6 14. Bh4 Be7
15. Qf3 exd5 16. cxd5 e4 17. Nxe4 Nxe4 18. Bxe7 Qxe7 19. Rxe4 Qg5 20. Qxf7 Qxd5
21. Qg6 Rd7 22. Rae1 Qxa2 23. Qf5 b6 24. Re7 Rhd8 25. g4 Kc7 26. Qe5+ Kc6 27.
Qxg7 Rxe7 28. Qxe7 Rd4 29. Qe8+ Kb7 30. Qe7+ Kc6 31. Qe8+ Kb7 32. Qe7+ Kc6
1/2-1/2

[Event "6th Freestyle Final, Round 6"]
[Site "playchess.com #101652"]
[Date "2007.06.23"]
[Round "1.1"]
[White "Flyingfatman"]
[Black "Cato the Younger"]
[Result "1/2-1/2"]
[ECO "E15"]
[WhiteElo "2465"]
[BlackElo "2543"]
[PlyCount "125"]
[EventDate "2007.06.23"]
[EventType "match (rapid)"]

1. d4 Nf6 2. c4 e6 3. Nf3 b6 4. g3 Bb4+ 5. Bd2 Bxd2+ 6. Qxd2 Ba6 7. Na3 d5 8.
Bg2 O-O 9. Ne5 c5 10. dxc5 bxc5 11. O-O Qc7 12. Nd3 Nbd7 13. Rac1 Qb6 14. Rfd1
Rab8 15. cxd5 exd5 16. b3 Bxd3 17. exd3 Qa6 18. Nb1 Rfe8 19. Nc3 d4 20. Ne4
Nxe4 21. dxe4 Qd6 22. f4 f6 23. Qd3 Kh8 24. Bh3 Re7 25. Rc2 a5 26. Re1 Nb6 27.
Qb5 c4 28. bxc4 d3 29. Rf2 Qd4 30. Bf1 Ree8 31. Qb3 Red8 32. Rd1 Nxc4 33. Rxd3
Rxb3 34. Rxd4 Rxd4 35. axb3 Nd2 36. e5 Kg8 37. exf6 gxf6 38. Bh3 Kg7 39. Be6 h5
40. Kg2 Kg6 41. f5+ Kh6 42. Rf4 Rd3 43. b4 axb4 44. Rxb4 Re3 45. Kf2 Re5 46.
Rb8 Ne4+ 47. Kg2 Nc5 48. Re8 Nxe6 49. fxe6 Kg6 50. Kf2 h4 51. g4 f5 52. Rg8+
Kh6 53. g5+ Kh5 54. Kf3 Rxe6 55. Kf4 Re2 56. Rh8+ Kg6 57. Rh6+ Kf7 58. Rxh4
Re4+ 59. Kg3 Rxh4 60. Kxh4 Kg6 61. h3 f4 62. Kg4 f3 63. Kxf3 1/2-1/2

[Event "Freestyle Final, Round 7"]
[Site "playchess.com #101719"]
[Date "2007.06.24"]
[Round "1.1"]
[White "Kreuzfahrtschiff"]
[Black "Flyingfatman"]
[Result "1/2-1/2"]
[ECO "B97"]
[PlyCount "51"]
[EventDate "2007.06.24"]
[EventType "match (rapid)"]

1. e4 c5 2. Nf3 d6 3. d4 cxd4 4. Nxd4 Nf6 5. Nc3 a6 6. Bg5 e6 7. f4 Qb6 8. Qd2
Qxb2 9. Rb1 Qa3 10. e5 dxe5 11. fxe5 h6 12. Bh4 g5 13. exf6 gxh4 14. Be2 Qa5
15. O-O Nd7 16. Kh1 Qg5 17. Rf4 e5 18. Nd5 exd4 19. Qxd4 Kd8 20. Rd1 h3 21. g3
Bd6 22. Bg4 Bxf4 23. Bxd7 Bxd7 24. Qb6+ Ke8 25. Qb4 Kd8 26. Qb6+ 1/2-1/2

[Event "6th Freestyle Tournmament, 8th round"]
[Site "playchess.com #101737"]
[Date "2007.06.24"]
[Round "1.1"]
[White "Flyingfatman"]
[Black "Rajlich"]
[Result "1/2-1/2"]
[ECO "C18"]
[WhiteElo "1637"]
[BlackElo "1827"]
[PlyCount "45"]
[EventDate "2007.06.24"]
[EventType "match (rapid)"]

1. e4 e6 2. d4 d5 3. Nc3 Bb4 4. e5 c5 5. a3 Bxc3+ 6. bxc3 Qa5 7. Bd2 Qa4 8. Qb1
c4 9. h4 Nc6 10. h5 Bd7 11. Nf3 O-O-O 12. Be2 Rf8 13. Bf4 f6 14. Qb2 Nge7 15.
Rb1 b6 16. Kf1 Rhg8 17. Rh3 Nf5 18. Kg1 Kb7 19. Bh2 Rf7 20. Qa2 Rff8 21. Qb2
Rf7 22. Qa2 Rff8 23. Qb2 1/2-1/2

[Event "6th Freestyle Tournament, Final, 9th ro"]
[Site "playchess.com #101760"]
[Date "2007.06.24"]
[Round "1.1"]
[White "PvP, Rybka 2.3.2a mp"]
[Black "Flyingfatman"]
[Result "1/2-1/2"]
[ECO "C67"]
[WhiteElo "2435"]
[BlackElo "2695"]
[PlyCount "104"]
[EventDate "2007.06.24"]
[EventType "match (rapid)"]

1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Bb5 Nf6 4. O-O Nxe4 5. d4 Be7 6. d5 Nd6 7. Nc3 Nxb5 8.
Nxb5 a6 9. Nc3 Nb8 10. Nxe5 d6 11. Nd3 O-O 12. Re1 Re8 13. Qf3 Nd7 14. Bd2 Nf8
15. Re3 Ng6 16. Rae1 Bd7 17. Ne2 c5 18. dxc6 bxc6 19. Ng3 Bf8 20. Rxe8 Bxe8 21.
Bb4 a5 22. Bc3 f6 23. Ne4 Ne5 24. Nxe5 fxe5 25. Qg4 Qe7 26. Nd2 Bf7 27. Nc4 a4
28. Rd1 h5 29. Qe2 Qe6 30. b3 axb3 31. cxb3 h4 32. h3 e4 33. Ne3 Qg6 34. Qc2
Be6 35. Kf1 Bc8 36. b4 Ba6+ 37. Kg1 d5 38. Bd4 Bd3 39. Qb3 Qf7 40. a3 Bd6 41.
Qc3 Bb5 42. Ng4 Bc7 43. Rc1 Bf4 44. Ra1 Qc7 45. Be3 Bd6 46. Bc5 Bxc5 47. Qxc5
Qd7 48. Qe3 Qf5 49. Rc1 Qg6 50. Ra1 Qf5 51. Rc1 Qg6 52. Ra1 Qf5 1/2-1/2
Parent - - By Alkelele (****) Date 2007-06-26 09:37
Thanks!
Parent - - By Uly (Gold) Date 2007-06-26 10:24
Thanks to bnc for originally posting the games, and to everyone for playing them :-)

I had to go in a game hunt to understand the games' comments, and the rest was just copy paste ;-)

Congrats, and I'm glad you got to participate after all.
Parent - - By M ANSARI (*****) Date 2007-06-26 11:40
The last thing I would be trying to do is to belittle Cato team play.  Actually it was the one game that Nick was the most worried about so obviously we have a tremendous amount of respect for them and I actually like a lot of the guys that play on the team.  They most definetely deserved the draw and I am not sure that there ever even was a win there, but at least it was nice to see them sweat it out.  What I do realize now is that it is extremely difficult to get a winning edge in this format ... engines (read Rybka) are simply that strong.
Parent - - By Nelson Hernandez (Gold) Date 2007-06-26 11:52
You reading this, Anson?  They're worrying about us.  And Vasik has to bring in his 'A' team specifically for us.  As Machiavelli said, it is best to be loved and feared, but if you must choose one or the other it is better to be feared.
Parent - - By Vasik Rajlich (Silver) Date 2007-06-27 13:52
Actually, having seen it first-hand twice myself, one thing which Cato's team is good at is taking a worse position and just letting the air out of it, move by move. When you can do this, you don't need to play into huge theory with black - in huge theory, you can always just lose without a game.

Vas
Parent - - By Nelson Hernandez (Gold) Date 2007-06-27 18:33
You're still the champ, Vas.  And we're the best team that has never been champ.
Parent - - By Roland Rösler (****) Date 2007-06-27 21:46
Maybe, to be worst champ is better yet.
Parent - By turbojuice1122 (Gold) Date 2007-06-27 22:27
Haha, that reminds me of how I won a road race last year with the worst winning time in the history of that 25-year-old race.
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