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- - By Ernst (***) Date 2007-06-23 23:59
http://f23.parsimony.net/forum50826/messages/168155.htm

I cannot image this to be true, a programmers worst nightmare.

Ernst.
Parent - By Fulcrum2000 (****) Date 2007-06-24 00:14
If it is real it would be close to a nightmare indeed, but I think it's some kind of virus code sent by someone. But Vas should probably recognize the files names if it are real Rybka files. Lets wait for his reply.
Parent - - By Roland Rösler (****) Date 2007-06-24 00:20
Parent - - By Ernst (***) Date 2007-06-24 01:13
yes that picture is in the thread.
Parent - - By noctiferus (***) Date 2007-06-24 09:08
Is here any beta-tester? he should recognize if the testing mask is authentic, isn't it?
Parent - - By Kapaun (****) Date 2007-06-24 09:33
No. No beta tester would ever get source code. Beta testers get compiled and ready-to-use versions. Much like the customer in the end - only it's betas and not the final version...
Parent - - By Uri Blass (*****) Date 2007-06-24 11:22
You cannot know that no beta tester got the source code.

It is a decision of Vas if to trust a tester enough to give him(her) the source code but it is clearly possible that Vas trust some tester enough to give him(her) the source code.

It is possible that some tester gives a productive input to Vas about the changes that he did in the source.

Another option is that some trojan horse got into Vas's computer and sent rybka's source to people in his mailing list so it certainly can be possible that people who were not supposed to get the source got it.

Another option is that Vas sent the source to himself by email and because of some mistake someone else got it.
I do not know if Vas send the code to himself by email in order to protect himself from the danger of losing his source code but I do it and I often send movei's code to myself by email.

Uri
Parent - By Michael Waesch Date 2007-06-24 11:47
We can not even know for sure if we or anything exists and even the sky might someday drop on my head, but I think you are going now way too far in your argumentation. There is simply no reason at all why Vasik should give anyone his source code. Many of the beta testers just happily play the beta engine no one else (exept other testers) can get only on Playchess anyway.

Sometimes I think you are just here to disagree. Nothing else.

Mike
Parent - - By Kapaun (****) Date 2007-06-24 11:56
I can't imagine any programmer who would give source code of a commercial program (which Rybka is contrary to Movei) to anybody outside his own programmer team. Especially I can't imagine any programmer of a commercial software who would send out source code by whatever, and certainly not by mail. The trojan thingy might be possible, I guess.
Parent - By Uri Blass (*****) Date 2007-06-24 12:21
I think that the value of the source is overrated.

Even if someone get the source then it is still an hard task to make something better and you can see that many commercial engines are still not significantly stronger than free source toga when in part of the cases their program is even weaker than free toga on one processor(based on the CCRL list Junior,Naum,Ktulu,Tiger are examples for commercial programs with lower rating than toga).

2 Hiarcs 11.1 2912 (+7) +29 −29 56.1% −38.6 46.4% 334
56.1%
3 Fritz 10 2909 (+32) +33 −33 58.8% −62.2 35.1% 279
59.5%
4 Zap!Chess Zanzibar 64-bit 2902 (−3) +36 −35 56.1% −36.9 50.9% 212
68.3%
5 Loop 13.6 32-bit 2890 (0) +31 −31 55.1% −29.2 46.6% 283
59.6%
6 Shredder 10 2885 (+14) +29 −28 54.7% −30.6 38.7% 362
84.1%
7 Toga II 1.2.1a 2867 (+6) +21 −21 55.6% −41.2 39.0% 708
62.3%
8 Junior 10 2861 (+15) +32 −32 50.2% −3.3 36.4% 291
65.0% 
10 Naum 2.1 32-bit 2849 (+3) +28 −28 47.3% +15.9 39.0% 367
96.0%
11 Ktulu 8.0 2813 (+11) +27 −27 41.6% +56.3 37.3% 413
85.2%
12 Chess Tiger 2007.1 2792 (+3) +28 −28 45.8% +28.5 46.7% 353
58.1%
14 CM10th Paralyse 2760 (+2) +34 −35 39.6% +74.0 33.7% 264
61.2%

Uri
Parent - - By Gaмßito (****) Date 2007-06-24 00:43 Edited 2007-06-24 00:45
And what it is supposed that says there?

Regards,
Gambito
Parent - - By Ernst (***) Date 2007-06-24 01:14
My German isn't good enough to give a detailed translation, but a babblefish translation should give you an idea.
Parent - - By JhorAVi (***) Date 2007-06-24 01:35
I can't understand it but I can't see anything wrong with it either.  The image seems like Engine vs Engine match tester.
Parent - By Vempele (Silver) Date 2007-06-24 08:43 Edited 2007-06-24 08:45
Somebody's claiming he received Rybka's source code (inside what seems to be an MSVC project folder) along with a debug build and an unknown testing utility.
Parent - - By Harvey Williamson (*****) Date 2007-06-24 08:42
Hi Ernst,

I posted this elsewhere. I doubt its true. I see no reason why Vas would let Convekta have his source code - why do they need it?

Best Wishes,

Harvey
Parent - By Ernst (***) Date 2007-06-24 10:25
Hi Harvey

He never said he receivd it from Convekta in the first place, he carefully avoided that.

If before the end of the year we see a miraculous improved version of whatever engine, we know for sure if this is truth or dare. :)

Kind regards,
Ernst.
Parent - By Lukas Cimiotti (Bronze) Date 2007-06-24 08:46
It might be true.
But that guy said he deleted it and only kept some screenshots.

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