Thinking about this now - maybe I should sponsor a Centaur tournament to get something going again.
What were the price funds for the last freestyle event? i.e. what would it take to draw the 'big guns / top dogs' to play?
I could probably invest 5,000 Euro in prize fund from my own money. And have participants pay an entry fee of say 50 Euro to join the tournament.
Assuming 50 to a 100 participants - if chessbase would agree to have this take place on playchess and advertize this to draw attention, that's another 2.5K - 5K.
So total prize fund of 7,500 - 10,000 Euro. Plus the time invested to get this organized. Probably would take 3-4 months to coordinate everything, so we'll be looking at a December time frame.
Would 10K Euro be enough to get something like this going? If you believe so I'll seriously consider trying to get such an event to happen.
Smaller tournaments are also perfectly fine of course - anything is better than nothing. :)
A 10,000-Euro prize fund will most likely get the serious participants. Iweta and I would certainly play, and our cluster almost certainly as well (depending on Lukas' schedule).
I'm leaving for the Galapagos Islands and Ecuador on Thursday for all of August. But as soon as I'm back I've now made up my mind to get something like this tournament to happen.
In life I've learned that when I want something I often don't wait for it to happen but make it happen. So since there's no such tournament at the moment, I may as well make one happen.
I'll probably be able to start getting the logistics started on mid-September, so a tentative date should be mid-November for such an event.
Should be fun getting something like this to happen! I already have some nice ideas.
U need to contact Arno and try and get some dates out of him as u would not want any freestyle tours to clash as that would be counterproductive.
Also can u concider not playing tours on a friday like Freestyle does if u play say over a saturday and sundays maybe two weekends or three u would get more poeople involved as at the time of the year people are low on holidays to cover such tours.
Famous film quote (IF U BUILD IT THEY WILL COME)
Just not on a damm friday ...
Good Luck Highend
Anyway maybe times are about to get exciting in the world of freestyle we can only hope
Between 2006 and 2008, there were 7 or 8 very good freestyle tournaments, run jointly by PAL and CSS. The rules were not always perfect, as freestyle play turned out to be different than over-the-board play in ways which were impossible to anticipate. You may want to go back and read some of the reports and discussions from those events, or talk to some of the guys who participated (and to Arno).
Anyway, good luck!
/* Steinar */
From my experience the schedule and the entrance fee may be even more sensible points for the total number of participants than the total prize money. The most accepted standard (if we can say so from 8th PAL/CSS tours) has been like this: 60min+15sec rate of play, 9rds, one weekend: main tour, other weekend: final, and low entrance fee, esp. as many titelholders and subscribers of CSS magazine were used to be free of charge.
Btw, I also feel, it would be good for freestyle chess to have its own independent platform, some kind of association, which will be able to regularly negotiate with sponsors and organizers and which runs its own website. I just started working on this idea. For anyone who likes contacting me, please use
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Once I'm back from vacation on September 1st I'll be looking to get such an event to happen. And I'm happy to sponsor the prize fund for it as well.
Also your idea of creating some formal association for future freestyle events makes a lot of sense. I'll be happy to join forces.
I'm quite new into computer chess / centaur-games, but to my credit if I may say so, I'm quite good at getting logistics set up - I'm much better at that then I am at Centaur chess, as it's been what I've been earning my living from hehe.
I look forward to touching base with you when I'm back from vacation, and I'll help make sure we not only get one off great tournament, but also some recurring tournaments for this wonderful sport.
> Email sent to you with from my 'real' identity
Hey...who was that masked man?
just for the forum... Thanks Highendman we are in touch, and I am optimistic, we can succeed in making a good comeback for freestyle in November/December. I will be on vacation too, from August 8th until August 22. Actually, I can start preparing some things in the last week of August.
this is all excellent news. If I can help somehow, please let me know.
If you want every top freestyler to take part, then that's your safest bet. On the other hand, if you want to play more games, a series of tournaments with lower prizes and free entrance will leave some (like the Railich clan) out, but you will get more people on the lower end. It's a trade-off.
And as it seems there's no such coordinating body at the moment, I'm up to helping make that happen myself. Maybe after one or two events I'll see that there isn't a large audience for this sport, or maybe we will see that actually there is. It should be possible to get computer-hardware companies I know to possibly sponsor prizes and H/W once we are able to show there's enough attention - in terms of participants and audience. As I haven't been into this before while I understand there were 8 tournaments previously I don't know what went well / poorly in them, what was the number of participants / spectators etc. I'll try to get up to speed on all of that to make sure I make only new mistakes ;)
We never really succeeded in making it interesting to a wider audience, but I don't see why it shouldn't be possible. The main attraction is the great chess.
> We never really succeeded in making it interesting to a wider audience, but I don't see why it shouldn't be possible.
Common misconceptions of people on computer chess like computers are always right and computers make chess more boring and not challenging enough are the ones hindering you from a wide audience. That's also the reason why playchess mainhall maxes out 4000-5000 people a night and engine room to only 100-150 (one of the lowest player count every night, only next to children room). You'll need to debunk that misconception to most of people in order for you to gain wider audience.
Maybe another way to attract more players is to create two tournaments, low prize-no entry fee and a high prize-with entry fee. Schedule them on different dates and at least you'll get both players that do it for fun and players that do it for money.
> what would it take to draw the 'big guns / top dogs' to play?
Based on your performance so for, I think that your own participation should go a long way towards securing the the participation of the real fighters among the top dogs. You only need a small prize fund on top of that. But of course, there are those among the top teams who seem to run away when they are offered a chance to face what they perceive as a stronger opponent ;)
I think that it is possible that the winner can be simply the player who can fix the result of more games as wins and it is impossible to know that Centaur X has friends who play for him that means doing their best against other opponents when losing against X on purpose.
A way to solve this is probably a qualifier tournament leading to top 8 players and then maybe a double round robin final.
And a TD who has the authority to disqualify results of the qualifier based on suspicion of a 'fixed' game result, although if someone does it well it's hard to prove the game was fixed.
It will require more thought and I'm sure that between the members here we could come up with the best possible format for this thing.
For example some sort of the Sofia rules, not allowing draw offers before move 50, or not at all without the TD approving them for the finals, should be considered. It can't help teams 'fixing' draws in advance, but maybe I'm overly optimistic in that I believe that with sufficient rules / incentives we could drive the right behaviour from the majority of participants.
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