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Poll Uploading games (Closed)
after every gauntlet 7 28%
after a new book enters 0 0%
Weekly - Monday 2 8%
Weekly - Sunday 10 40%
Every 2 weeks 2 8%
Every Month - starting 1st July 1 4%
Every Month - starting 25th July (=1 month after started) 0 0%
Do not upload at all 3 12%
Parent - - By kosmodrom (***) Date 2009-06-27 14:20
Jonas, present: play Topalov and Anand. Appears, that Topalov has won 10-0, but games..... Will be shown then. Jonas, it is necessary for you, that book Yogray has won? Please, declare it at once the idol. Only it is not necessary to speak, that the book of the huge sizes can be good. The greater book - the bad book master! The more the book - the worse its author. I cause author Yogray to play with me a match for 3 minutes, 20 games. If there will be no acceptance of a call - all your tests are very doubtful.
Parent - - By Jonas (****) Date 2009-06-27 14:36 Edited 2009-06-27 14:38
you and sunny are top book authors. maybe the 2 best atm. your book lost in the 2 main lines the books play when they play against each other, thats just bad luck.
please! dont blame my testing for that.
i am a neutral, serious and fair tester and i dont care at all which book is the best or whichone is winning. i do my best to give you as accurate results as fast as possible!
please dont offend me just because your book lost. I will upload all games. its just, i dont upload them every day because that would mean even more work than i already have.
The main reason i do this is for the book authors to get results and games to improve their books. if you dont want that, you can tell me not to test your books anymore and i wont touch them. this would mean a big disappointment.
however, you will get your games and i would do everything to make you more satisfied with my testing, im very sorry if you are not.
Parent - - By Sunny (***) Date 2009-06-27 14:43
Jonas

You don't have to feel offend for what others says. Remember before testing I said if Yograj gets 2 or 3rd poitions I am contented. If some blames you don't take it to your heart, many people do tends to say bad thing even they don't know what are they talking.

I know why is he asking for the games and blaming you. He just wants games played by Y2.4V1.1 against My Book 15 especially Caro-Kann.

Yuri

Against Y2.4 V1.2, if you tried to play Caro-kann expect all loses be its 100 games.
Parent - - By Jonas (****) Date 2009-06-27 14:46
however, i stick to my promises i made before that whole discussion. i already said before that i will upload the games every week. so tomorrow or monday i will upload them all
Parent - By Sunny (***) Date 2009-06-27 15:59
These games will of no help to Yuri. Because the variations are going to change in next versions

I know He have full band of team who always kibitz games from PCC and my team is very small compared to him and don't like to Kibitz unlike his team using does macros.
Parent - By kosmodrom (***) Date 2009-06-27 15:22
Sunny, you will play a match? Yes or not?
Parent - - By Sunny (***) Date 2009-06-27 14:36
Yuri
I will play you and your highly overclocked computer. I am preparing next version of this book for the team.

> The greater book - the bad book master! The more the book - the worse its author



I think you are pointing this towards yourself :).


I never challanged any book or the book author. I never said to anyone that your book is bad. Why are you shouting if your book lost to Yograj. Your work is highly predictable, always. Caro-Kann with black and b97, b67, b66, b56 with white. Too predictable
Parent - - By kosmodrom (***) Date 2009-06-27 15:26
Sunny, you do not wish to play a match? Words mean nothing, if there is no game.
Parent - - By Sunny (***) Date 2009-06-27 15:56
I will Play not one game but a full tour of 20 games once I am ready with next version of the book. I want to see how you kill my variations.
If Topalov Defeat Anand 10-0, I will defeat you and take the revenge. A sweet Revenge. I know what you think for book making but you still don't have a single clue of my private books. Y2.4v1.1 and other books are just a demo of my private books
Parent - - By Bobby C (****) Date 2009-06-27 18:23
Beat his a$$ Sunny ! :) Let's fish you up a Xeon Nehalem to play him with :)
Parent - - By kosmodrom (***) Date 2009-06-27 21:40 Edited 2009-06-27 21:53
I suggested Sunny to play a match of books. In a match of books quickly noticeably at whom the book is better. In a match of books CPU means a little. BobbyC, wish to play with me a match? I am ready! I am ready to play always against any contender. It has finished the book or not - has no value. I am warrior. All the Russian players - warriors. We are always ready to battle, against any contender!
Parent - - By Bobby C (****) Date 2009-06-28 00:44

> In a match of books CPU means a little


That depends on the difference in speed. CPU means a lot if we are talking 30% or more in terms of a speed advantage. What hardware do you plan to use for OUR match?

> BobbyC, wish to play with me a match?


If you have no more then a 3.6ghz Nehalem(4 Cores) then I accept your challenge, I am running Q9650 @ 4.2ghz which is slightly slower then 3.6ghz Nehalem but I can give you a small speed avantage. We can meet on playchess for 20 games at 3mins. My playchess names are "PortCitySlim" and "Megatron81" but I have not been to playchess in about 2 weeks.
Parent - - By kosmodrom (***) Date 2009-06-28 18:30
Bobby C, I with pleasure shall play with you. Tomorrow I leave, and till July, 7th at me will not be CPU. My CPU- Q6600, best ELO for My book 15- 2850, 27.06.2009, login- HECTOP.  on July, 7th with pleasure I shall play. I shall write to you the personal message when we shall play. It is good, when chess players can not only talk, and play. Success!
Parent - By Bobby C (****) Date 2009-06-29 00:14
I was hoping to have the match much sooner. It seems you are taking time to prepare your book and do your research. I will still enjoy a much friendly match on July 7th. Success ! :)
Parent - By Jonas (****) Date 2009-06-27 14:43
btw, just testing hurricane. results after 2 rounds looks better than mybook15 especially against yograj

ETB-Tour Gauntlet-8  2009

Hurricane 3 - Poker 1.3           1.0 - 1.0    +1/-1/=0    50.00%
Hurricane 3 - Bertran blitz 1.0   1.0 - 1.0    +1/-1/=0    50.00%
Hurricane 3 - yograj 1.1          1.5 - 0.5    +1/-0/=1    75.00%
Hurricane 3 - titielmago 6.1      1.0 - 1.0    +0/-0/=2    50.00%
Hurricane 3 - Fx7                 0.5 - 1.5    +0/-1/=1    25.00%
Parent - By pawnhook (**) Date 2009-06-28 08:12
Hey don't be upset man ................try it next time.
Parent - - By Uly (Gold) Date 2009-06-27 21:48
On what hardware is this being played?
Parent - By Jonas (****) Date 2009-06-28 04:40
dual core :/ thats why i use 4+1 to give better results
Parent - - By Jonas (****) Date 2009-06-28 04:29
Hurricane 3 made it to top 5:

New Top 5:
                              1          2          3          4          5
1.   Poker 1.3               **********  5,5 - 4,5  4.5 - 5,5  5,5 - 4,5  5,0 - 5,0    20,5/40
1.   Bertran Blitz 1.0       4,5 - 5,5   ********** 5,5 - 4,5  7,0 - 3,0  3,5 - 6,5    20,5/40
3.   Titielmago 6.1          5.5 - 4.5   4,5 - 5,5  ********** 5.0 - 5.0  5.0 - 5.0    20,0/40
5.   Hurricane 3             4,5 - 5,5   3,0 - 7,0  5,0 - 5,0  ********** 7,0 - 3,0    19,5/40
5.   Yograj 2.4 V1.1         5,0 - 5,0   6,5 - 3,5  5,0 - 5,0  3,0 - 7,0  **********   19,5/40


ETB-Tour Gauntlet-8  2009

Hurricane 3 - Poker 1.3             4.5 - 5.5    +1/-2/=7    45.00%
Hurricane 3 - Bertran Blitz 1.0     3.0 - 7.0    +1/-5/=4    30.00%
Hurricane 3 - yograj 2.4 V1.1       7.0 - 3.0    +6/-2/=2    70.00%
Hurricane 3 - titielmago 6.1        5.0 - 5.0    +0/-0/=10   50.00%
Hurricane 3 - Fx7                   3.5 - 6.5    +1/-4/=5    35.00%
Parent - - By ForrestGump (***) Date 2009-06-28 05:08 Edited 2009-06-28 05:17
WOOW!

26th June 2009:  
1. Yograj 2.4 V1.1 -> 29,0/40 -> 73%

Only two days later:
28th June 2009:
5. Yograj 2.4 V1.1 -> 19,5/40 -> 49%

Hurricane 3 vs Yograj 2.4 V1.1 (RIP! :-P )   7.0 - 3.0    +6/-2/=2 -> 70.00% !!
Parent - By Jonas (****) Date 2009-06-28 05:14
yes the good result against Fx7 is now gone and hurricane killed it 7-3
Parent - - By Sunny (***) Date 2009-06-28 05:29
Expected, But no problem....as I said bjective is acheived with the book, Won all the 3 Tour. No book have won all there of them :)
Parent - - By Jonas (****) Date 2009-06-28 05:35
maybe you'll get back on top if a new book enters ;) its extremely close. would be fun. it will belong which book gets kicked..

tomorrow ill upload the games.. this will soon be hell for this top 5. we will see how easy it is to destroy their lines
Parent - - By Sunny (***) Date 2009-06-28 05:40
Jonas, I don't use the wording killed or kicked other books, because its disrespect for these authors. Its really great that they make book with passion and share these book too.
Parent - By Bobby C (****) Date 2009-06-28 05:52
Sunny, do not worry Hurricane 3 has major holes that I am already tuning into my book. At first I was having trouble with it too but I looked at the games and found out why. I can send you some games against it when I have found ways around the traps. :)
Parent - By Jonas (****) Date 2009-06-28 05:52
:) ok sorry
with kicked i mean kicked out of top 5.. my english is bad and i didnt think of any better word
and i somehow liked to use killed. sounds fun and i didnt mean the books but the lines.
Parent - - By Dr.Wael Deeb (***) Date 2009-06-28 07:04
I don't think that Jonas means to insult anyone here....he's a nice guy overall :-)
Dr.D
Parent - - By Jonas (****) Date 2009-06-28 07:50
thanks ;)
btw still no chance to get my account activated at talkchess.com
maybe you could ask one of those new moderators whats wrong and give them some work ;)
sorry to annoy you with that your the only guy i have seen there too.
Dipl.-Bar. J
Parent - By Dr.Wael Deeb (***) Date 2009-06-28 11:13
I'll contact Steve B today,my friend and one of the new elected moderators....
I'll buzz you when done....
Dr.D
Parent - - By ForrestGump (***) Date 2009-06-28 06:00 Edited 2009-06-28 06:11

>>as I said bjective is acheived with the book, Won all the 3 Tour. No book have won all there of them :-)


Hmm:
SCCT5 - http://www.sedatchess.com/scct5.html
The Current Tournament Leader: Yograj 2.4 v1.1
Therefore I think, we still do not know who will win there... :-)
Right?

>>Jonas, I don't use the wording killed or kicked other books, because its disrespect for these authors.


He-he very interesting :-) , he has to say today (after 3-7 vs. Hurricane ;-) ), but not after 10-0 vs. Yuri's book, he-he... ;-)
Parent - By Jonas (****) Date 2009-06-28 06:05
?? yograj is sunny's book.
he meant that tournament with one of the 3
Parent - - By Sunny (***) Date 2009-06-28 06:07
Same book won  all 3. Private version. I kept private with me so that I also keep playing with the same book and generate games out of it.

Read this

http://www.rybkaforum.net/cgi-bin/rybkaforum/topic_show.pl?tid=11250

The book was tested on 16 Mins also :)
Parent - - By ForrestGump (***) Date 2009-06-28 06:22 Edited 2009-06-28 06:50

>>Same book won  all 3


Hmm, Sunny sorry, may I ask, which 3 tournaments?
Because SSCT5 is not finished yet... (for now, only 11 books are tested :-) )
http://www.sedatchess.com/scct5.html (Note:the tournament will be paused between 1st - 15th July 2009)

http://rybkaforum.net/cgi-bin/rybkaforum/topic_show.pl?tid=11385

Next book participants (SCCT5):
*****************
H12Book            
Il Konte           
My Book           
Rybka      
Veni Vidi Vici     
Storm             
Ultra Blitz
etc....       
Parent - By Jonas (****) Date 2009-06-28 06:50
i'd love to test ultra blitz... ;/ sadly, i dont have any contact to the author.
Parent - - By Bobby C (****) Date 2009-06-28 07:12
There is also another book being tested that is not on that list :)
Parent - - By ForrestGump (***) Date 2009-06-28 07:27 Edited 2009-06-28 07:41

>>There is also another book being tested that is not on that list


Yes, because this list from http://rybkaforum.net/cgi-bin/rybkaforum/topic_show.pl?tid=11385, was created 2009-06-19, but Mr. Sedat was said, that he will receive books for the testing and after 20-06-'09...
Parent - - By Jonas (****) Date 2009-06-28 08:00
reminds me of writing a list so i don't forget to test any book:

Om Blitz Book 2.0
Troy2
Venezuela 1.3
Fx3
Blitzgamebook (i found that somewhere i cant remember)
HS-Masterbook
Amazing (if i finally get the dl link)
Parent - By Jonas (****) Date 2009-06-29 03:25
mybook 15.1
Om Gambit Book
Parent - - By Sunny (***) Date 2009-06-28 07:55
Read whole threads on Book testing and you make conclusion and start slandering some one.

I started say this because yesterday Yuri and now you have started saying wrong about me. I don't who you are and what your objective is, but I can surly make out you have very strong sypathy towards Yuri.

You and Yuri want to defeat my book, please go on and also say what ever you says.

Sedat tested the book and declared Y2.4V1.1 as Leader thats it. When ever second round start I know Every books will be targeting Y2.4V1.1

Carry on say keep writing.
Parent - - By Jonas (****) Date 2009-06-28 08:06
yep ;) your on top and your the main target ;P

in my opinion sedat cant continue this tournament. he has to start a new one. the games have already been uploaded and it will be easy to play against the books that are already inside this tournament. that is why i created my system of testing. and also because its fast, usefull and results of weak books get deleted.
daily new top 5 lists. isnt this great? we always see who is on top.
Parent - By Jonas (****) Date 2009-06-28 08:09 Edited 2009-06-28 08:13
sorry i didnt call any book weak here! i meant if a book is weak its result gets deleted. that doesnt mean that a good book couldnt also fall out of that list.

you know me, always busy with watching out what im saying and who might feel offended by that but its a hard sometimes. i never mean to do so and im sorry if i create a wrong impression sometimes. maybe i should just shut up and upload the results ;)
Parent - By Jonas (****) Date 2009-06-28 09:43
did sedat close registration before uploading games? then im sorry for the criticism
Parent - By Sedat Canbaz (*****) Date 2009-06-28 17:54
Hello Jonas,

in my opinion sedat cant continue this tournament. he has to start a new one.
I see you are my book tester concurrent :) What do you recommend-testing differend kind of engines ?
(i am only joking never mind :) )

the games have already been uploaded and it will be easy to play against the books that are already inside this tournament
Yes...i allow to download the games,but the SCCT V tournament's participasnts are started in within a week and the condions for SCCT IV or SCCT V:
-Due to not free cpu time,only one book  (from the same author) per month will be tested !
In other words thats means that its not allowed any book updates untill next month,so at least for a month i can avoid the disadvantages...

Normally i plan to run 2 leagues,the first one  ''free books'' and second league ''private books''
Then there  will be no injustice for the free book authors

weak books get deleted
i hope you keep my  ''Perfect 2009''  in your hardisk :)
(again i am just only joking - never mind  :) )

Best Regards,
Sedat
Parent - - By ForrestGump (***) Date 2009-06-28 09:08

>>but I can surly make out you have very strong sypathy towards Yuri


If this is referring to me, then I must to say, that I here does not favor anyone, but I noticed that here, a few authors of the .ctg books, acted somewhat childishly. :-) [not only Sunny and Yuriy... :-) ]

>> You and Yuri want to defeat my book


LOL! :-D
I am only a Corr. chess player (not a professional book-maker), and do not personally know mr. Yuriy, nor have I ever been with him in any type of contact...

>> When ever second round start ... (SCCT5)


Completely wrong :-) , there is no first, second or third round (etc.), so far Mr. Sedat tested only 11 books, and tournament SCCT5 will be completed when all incoming books (and registered for that SCCT5 tournament) to be tested...
Parent - - By Sunny (***) Date 2009-06-28 17:00 Edited 2009-06-28 17:03

> acted somewhat childishly


How should people see your act?.....Your are not a book maker but a correspondence chess player and you started bashing me why? not Yuri?

Read all the topics.....I never challanged any one and never will....I respect all these book makers.....

Sedat and Kavin are my idols and will never question them about their skills......But who are you...from Croatia....erstwhile part of USSR........Yuri starting banging me because his book lost 10-0 to Y2.4v1.1. Sedat declared Yograj as leader and said next book tesying will start after some time...and new book will be included in that round of testing.....I know the result before testing start, All the books from Yuri and his team are targerted toward Yograj like previous testing.

Doc. Weeb

I have a deep regards to you people and when I said "I don't use the words Killed or kicked" I mean a respect to book authors....I know said Jonas have ever disrespected these book authors and He never will disrespect any one but some times unknowly we says and hurt other people, that was just a suggestion before some one like Yuri and his team member like ForrestGump comes and starts bashing him
Parent - - By ForrestGump (***) Date 2009-06-28 21:10 Edited 2009-06-28 21:28
Sunny, please calm down :-) and carefully read my answer here:
http://rybkaforum.net/cgi-bin/rybkaforum/topic_show.pl?tid=11418

>>>...from Croatia....erstwhile part of USSR........


Nemoj biti smiješan :-) , ako upotrijebiš http://translate.google.com/translate_t# (CRO->ENGL) , možeš vidjeti, da ja pišem na tečnom hrvatskom (CRO) jeziku, i da nemam nikakve veze sa nijednim od .ctg book autora ovdje, jedino me je malo zasmetao način, na koji komunicirate ti i Yuriy, pa sam bio napisao, da se ne bi trebali ponašati, kao da ste mala djeca, koja se takmiče čija je igračka ljepša, bolja i skuplja. :-) Nemam ništa protiv tebe osobno, cijenim tvoj rad, hvala ti što si svoje .ctg knjige učinio public, ali, ne moraš u gotovo svakom svom postu, sam sebe hvaliti :-) , jer to djeluje pomalo provocirajuće za sve ostale čitatelje ovog foruma, pusti da drugi hvale tvoj rad i tvoje knjige...

Btw., sorry, in some cases, google translate is not very good, but currently I have no free time to translate this manualy, but also, now you can see, that my native language is Croatian, not Russian... :-)

Best Regards!
Parent - - By Sunny (***) Date 2009-06-29 03:12
Forestgump, please accept my appolgy, I never meant to hurt any one. But when people start banging without any reason, it just goes off the head.
Parent - By ForrestGump (***) Date 2009-06-29 04:30 Edited 2009-06-29 05:00

>>Forestgump, please accept my appolgy, I never meant to hurt any one.


Sunny, OK, no problem, of course, I accept your appology (also, sorry if I am meticulous, almost as B. Fischer :-D ), because I know that the process of creating opening book/s are very difficult, and when testing starts, all authors are "under stress", of course, everyone would want to win :-), if it is possible, when he invested a lot of effort, there appears a lot of different emotions, but, of course, it is important to always be calm and cool in every possible situation, with respect to all other authors, and also, should be modest, very objective and precise in various statements, to avoid any misunderstanding, or any unpleasant situations...

I very much appreciate your hard work and effort, and I hope that you will achieve good results in the following testing...
But also, I as a neutral viewer, I wish to good luck for all other participants of this testing.

Best Regards!
Parent - By kosmodrom (***) Date 2009-06-29 00:38
Still time I repeat. The big size of the book - the bad author. Who thinks differently? Further... The Book is done to play. To play with me you have refused. You only are able to tell about the book. I am always ready to play a match of books. Improve the book and we shall play on July, 7th? I cannot improve the book for this time.
Parent - - By Jonas (****) Date 2009-06-28 07:33 Edited 2009-06-28 08:23
(that post turned out to consist of many sentences using ''if''. someone please check tenses and tell me if i used wrong. oh theres anotherone :)... i need to learn)

on uploading games:
you might think: ''it would completly destroy this top 5. someone just needs to make a new book that only consists of those games and would win.''
but i have alot of books to be tested that were sent to me before i will have uploaded the games, so the top 5 will change until a book which might use these games is tested.
so it will just injure those books that are able to survive that long and stay in Top 5 until a new one could use these games.
even if such a new book makes to enter the top 5, it would not (or wont, i cant decide what is correct here :)) be good enough to stay there for long and it only injured 1 book...theone that was kicked out. but thatone was the worst book anyway.
and later the new book gets kicked out again if its in fact bad and its result will be deleted.
so the book author needs a good book to enter and has to use these games to destroy those books that are in for longer time. That is not a problem, thats called making progress and its nothing unfair because same conditions for everyone since also the book authors that fall out of the top 5 can always send me new versions.
i will upload games weekly on monday.
btw there are 2 categories that make me test a book faster than others: if it is public and second if an older version has already been in Top 5.
but i will always end all tests that i promised to make before testing books that could use those uploaded games.
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