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- - By Uly (Gold) [mx] Date 2009-06-23 12:25 Edited 2009-07-11 00:05
This comes from the other thread in where the plans of members clashed so we decided to continue the game in a new thread, thanks for accepting Paul!

There's no rules to this challenge other than no other members can play moves directly on the board, and as a personal challenge, if I don't win this game I'll consider that Nat12 defeated me, since the whole point of this new thread is to try to win this game as white. So here it is!

31.Re1

1. d4 Nf6 2. c4 e6 3. Nf3 Bb4+ 4. Nbd2 b6 5. a3 Bxd2+ 6. Bxd2 Bb7 7. g3 O-O 8. Bg2 Be4 9. O-O Nc6 10. Rc1 Rc8 11. Bf4 d6 12. Bh3 Bxf3 13. exf3 d5 14. c5 b5 15. Qd3 a5 16. Rfe1 Rb8 17. Bd2 Re8 18. f4 Ne4 19. Be3 h6 20. f3 Nf6 21. Bd2 Nd7 22. b4 a4 23. Bc3 Ne7 24. Re2 Nf8 25. Rce1 Qd7 26. Bd2 c6 27. g4 f5 28. Re5 Rbd8 29. R1e2 Rb8 30. Kh1 Rbd8 31. Re1

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The game has ended:

[Event "Challenge"]
[Site "Rybka Forum"]
[Date "2009.06.23"]
[White "Vytron"]
[Black "NATIONAL12"]
[ECO "E16"]
[Opening "Queen's Indian"]
[Variation "Capablanca, Yates, 7.O-O O-O"]
[Result "1-0"]

1. d4 Nf6 2. c4 e6 3. Nf3 Bb4+ 4. Nbd2 b6 5. a3 Bxd2+ 6. Bxd2 Bb7 7. g3 O-O 8. Bg2 Be4 9. O-O Nc6 10. Rc1 Rc8 11. Bf4 d6 12. Bh3 Bxf3 13. exf3 d5 14. c5 b5 15. Qd3 a5 16. Rfe1 Rb8 17. Bd2 Re8 18. f4 Ne4 19. Be3 h6 20. f3 Nf6 21. Bd2 Nd7 22. b4 a4 23. Bc3 Ne7 24. Re2 Nf8 25. Rce1 Qd7 26. Bd2 c6 27. g4 f5 28. Re5 Rbd8 29. R1e2 Rb8 30. Kh1 Rbd8 {The challenge begins here} 31. Re1 Kh8 32. R5e2 Rc8 33. Rg1 Rc7 34. Be1 Rb7 35. Bg3 Ra8 36. Re5 Nfg6 37. Re3 Nf8 38. Rge1 g6 39. Bh4 Ng8 40. Re5 Qf7 41. Qe3 Rc8 42. Bf1 Rbc7 43. Bd3 Kh7 44. Qe2 Rd7 45. Rg1 Ra7 46. Qe1 Rcc7 47. Rg3 Ne7 48. Rh3 Kg7 49. Qg1 Rab7 50. Bb1 Kh7 51. Bg5 Ng8 52. Qe1 Qd7 53. Qg3 Qf7 54. Re1 Qg7 55. Qf2 Qd7 56. Qh4 Qg7 57. Rg1 Rf7 58. Qf2 Kh8 59. Qe3 Nh7 60. Bh4 Nf8 61. Bd3 Ra7 62. Rgg3 Ra8 63. Kg2 Kh7 64. Bg5 Re7 65. Bxh6 Nxh6 66. g5 Kg8 67. Rxh6 Rd8 68. h4 Kf7 69. Rh3 Ke8 70. h5 Kd7 71. hxg6 {Black resigns} 1-0

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Parent - By NATIONAL12 (Gold) [gb] Date 2009-06-23 13:11
31...Kh8
Parent - - By tano-urayoan (****) [pr] Date 2009-06-23 15:07
Well you could start some earlier moves where you left the game, as this g4 and Re5 is just my brainstorming, Maybe  in this point I already ruined white chances.
Parent - By Uly (Gold) [mx] Date 2009-06-24 01:44
I never said your plan was worse than mine, I just said they were different (so my plan was thrown away), I made my plan after your brainstorming.
Parent - - By Uly (Gold) [mx] Date 2009-06-24 04:05
32.R5e2

1. d4 Nf6 2. c4 e6 3. Nf3 Bb4+ 4. Nbd2 b6 5. a3 Bxd2+ 6. Bxd2 Bb7 7. g3 O-O 8. Bg2 Be4 9. O-O Nc6 10. Rc1 Rc8 11. Bf4 d6 12. Bh3 Bxf3 13. exf3 d5 14. c5 b5 15. Qd3 a5 16. Rfe1 Rb8 17. Bd2 Re8 18. f4 Ne4 19. Be3 h6 20. f3 Nf6 21. Bd2 Nd7 22. b4 a4 23. Bc3 Ne7 24. Re2 Nf8 25. Rce1 Qd7 26. Bd2 c6 27. g4 f5 28. Re5 Rbd8 29. R1e2 Rb8 30. Kh1 Rbd8 31. Re1 Kh8 32. R5e2

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Parent - - By Jonas (****) [at] Date 2009-06-24 05:51
32...Qd6

lets make this a little more interesting
Parent - By Uly (Gold) [mx] Date 2009-06-24 08:16
That move doesn't count but starting the whole for fun games was a cool idea :smile:
Parent - By Hetman (*****) Date 2009-06-24 12:32
32...Qd6
33. Qc4   two beautiful Queen sacs ;-)
Parent - By NATIONAL12 (Gold) [gb] Date 2009-06-24 09:18
32...Rc8
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Parent - - By Uly (Gold) [mx] Date 2009-06-24 13:07
33.Rg1

1. d4 Nf6 2. c4 e6 3. Nf3 Bb4+ 4. Nbd2 b6 5. a3 Bxd2+ 6. Bxd2 Bb7 7. g3 O-O 8. Bg2 Be4 9. O-O Nc6 10. Rc1 Rc8 11. Bf4 d6 12. Bh3 Bxf3 13. exf3 d5 14. c5 b5 15. Qd3 a5 16. Rfe1 Rb8 17. Bd2 Re8 18. f4 Ne4 19. Be3 h6 20. f3 Nf6 21. Bd2 Nd7 22. b4 a4 23. Bc3 Ne7 24. Re2 Nf8 25. Rce1 Qd7 26. Bd2 c6 27. g4 f5 28. Re5 Rbd8 29. R1e2 Rb8 30. Kh1 Rbd8 31. Re1 Kh8 32. R5e2 Rc8 33. Rg1

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Parent - - By NATIONAL12 (Gold) [gb] Date 2009-06-24 13:31
33...Rc7
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Parent - - By NATIONAL12 (Gold) [gb] Date 2009-06-24 21:21 Edited 2009-06-24 21:28
although black is virtually in a zugswang it is very difficult for white to break through.black also has to be very carefull and not just consider the obvious R3 moves.
Parent - - By Uly (Gold) [mx] Date 2009-06-24 23:29
Yeah, black should be extra careful, a careless move and it's curtains, "shuffling the rook back and forth" does not work.

34.Be1
Parent - - By tano-urayoan (****) [pr] Date 2009-06-25 00:01

> Yeah, black should be extra careful, a careless move and it's curtains, "shuffling the rook back and forth" does not work.


I don't see black doing anything spectacular
Parent - - By Uly (Gold) [mx] Date 2009-06-25 00:28
Well, I don't see white trying anything at the other game :smile: (literally, since you've stopped moving...)
Parent - By NATIONAL12 (Gold) [gb] Date 2009-06-25 07:25
34...Rb7
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Parent - - By Uly (Gold) [mx] Date 2009-06-25 12:21
35.Bg3

1. d4 Nf6 2. c4 e6 3. Nf3 Bb4+ 4. Nbd2 b6 5. a3 Bxd2+ 6. Bxd2 Bb7 7. g3 O-O 8. Bg2 Be4 9. O-O Nc6 10. Rc1 Rc8 11. Bf4 d6 12. Bh3 Bxf3 13. exf3 d5 14. c5 b5 15. Qd3 a5 16. Rfe1 Rb8 17. Bd2 Re8 18. f4 Ne4 19. Be3 h6 20. f3 Nf6 21. Bd2 Nd7 22. b4 a4 23. Bc3 Ne7 24. Re2 Nf8 25. Rce1 Qd7 26. Bd2 c6 27. g4 f5 28. Re5 Rbd8 29. R1e2 Rb8 30. Kh1 Rbd8 31. Re1 Kh8 32. R5e2 Rc8 33. Rg1 Rc7 34. Be1 Rb7 35. Bg3

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Parent - By NATIONAL12 (Gold) [gb] Date 2009-06-25 20:39
35...Ra8
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Parent - - By NATIONAL12 (Gold) [gb] Date 2009-06-25 21:54
as you are aware i have spent many hours on this position and whilst whites evals slowly increase,i have still not found the breakthrough line.i will try to defend as best possible and make things as difficult as i can for white.
Parent - - By Uly (Gold) [mx] Date 2009-06-26 02:51
I've found breakthrough lines but of course there's always better alternatives for black in past positions, however, black's score keeps deteriorating. I still don't understand why some moves seem to be killers with some black configuration (fe. the rook at c8) but fail at other identical positions (fe. same position with that rook on a8) but be sure that I'm playing the moves that seems to give you the most trouble.

36.Re5
Parent - By SR (****) [gb] Date 2009-06-26 08:01
Very interesting position and a very close call if blacks fortress can be knocked over. I am following your game with great interest ;-)
Parent - By NATIONAL12 (Gold) [gb] Date 2009-06-26 09:19
36...Nfg6
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Parent - - By Uly (Gold) [mx] Date 2009-06-26 13:52
37.Re3

1. d4 Nf6 2. c4 e6 3. Nf3 Bb4+ 4. Nbd2 b6 5. a3 Bxd2+ 6. Bxd2 Bb7 7. g3 O-O 8. Bg2 Be4 9. O-O Nc6 10. Rc1 Rc8 11. Bf4 d6 12. Bh3 Bxf3 13. exf3 d5 14. c5 b5 15. Qd3 a5 16. Rfe1 Rb8 17. Bd2 Re8 18. f4 Ne4 19. Be3 h6 20. f3 Nf6 21. Bd2 Nd7 22. b4 a4 23. Bc3 Ne7 24. Re2 Nf8 25. Rce1 Qd7 26. Bd2 c6 27. g4 f5 28. Re5 Rbd8 29. R1e2 Rb8 30. Kh1 Rbd8 31. Re1 Kh8 32. R5e2 Rc8 33. Rg1 Rc7 34. Be1 Rb7 35. Bg3 Ra8 36. Re5 Nfg6 37. Re3

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Parent - - By NATIONAL12 (Gold) [gb] Date 2009-06-26 14:15
37...Nf8
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Parent - - By Uly (Gold) [mx] Date 2009-06-26 15:11
38.Rge1
Parent - - By NATIONAL12 (Gold) [gb] Date 2009-06-26 15:55
38...g6
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Parent - By keoki010 (Silver) [us] Date 2009-06-26 16:19
Looks like you're tieing it up nicely.  This will be interesting. :smile:
Parent - - By SR (****) [gb] Date 2009-06-26 21:28
I think my money now is on black holding the draw. Its looks like black managed to build a fortress, though its not entirely obvious.
Parent - - By NATIONAL12 (Gold) [gb] Date 2009-06-26 21:36 Edited 2009-06-26 21:42
once i could play g6 safely i knew i was ok.black can now get all his pieces into play.to answer Vytron at the same time,why Rc8 was bad for black was that that square was needed by black in some variations for the Queen.
when i said earlier that i had done deep AN i meant it,there was another move for white on move 36 but even this was only 2 centipawns better d26.of course i am using R3 set to 0 instead of 15.
Parent - - By Jonas (****) [at] Date 2009-06-27 00:24
inst 0 default at analize?
Parent - - By NATIONAL12 (Gold) [gb] Date 2009-06-27 00:28
that is what i have done,also i have overulled R3 sugestions in some cases.i think i am ok.i have spent many many hours on this with a Skulltrail.
Parent - - By NATIONAL12 (Gold) [gb] Date 2009-06-27 00:38
over the past couple of years i believe i have become a quite good centaur.that is why amongst  others,i believe i can take Eros on.the current freestyle champion.
Parent - - By Bobby C (****) Date 2009-06-29 06:53
WOW ! When you say take him on, what do you mean? In a freestyle match which is played in only a few hours then my bet is on Eros. For a correspondence match that is like 48 hours per move then I would take bets the majority of games would end in a draw, Eros would still have the advantage. The top guys have opening books that are matched by no others, you would never see death coming until it was to late. Rybka at depth 33 wouldn't see it coming.

Also, he would not play unless there was a prize at stake. You are the one guy that could offer him a big enough prize to actually get him to accept the challenge. :)
Parent - - By NATIONAL12 (Gold) [gb] Date 2009-06-29 07:24
not freestyle,i dont think i would have a chance.48 hrs per move on Hiarcs forum.i did not make myself very clear.
Parent - By Bobby C (****) Date 2009-06-29 08:06
48 hours per move is easy to draw if your a decent Corr player. I would think you could draw him quite a lot of times. I do not think either of you would win more then 1% of the games and if I was to bet on who would win first I would still bet on Eros just because of his experience, bad ass book and OTB skill(I think he is over 2200+). I do not think I could play him for money, I like money to much to bet it on a chess game(Unless I am playing Alan/Deleted) :)
Parent - By keoki010 (Silver) [us] Date 2009-06-27 16:09

> inst 0 default at analize?


yes, play is default 15
Parent - - By Uly (Gold) [mx] Date 2009-06-27 00:30 Edited 2009-06-27 00:36
I think black eventually gets to play g6 anyway, I chose these variations because white's plan is clear and it works whatever black tries, while the other positions were full of mindless piece shuffling by white I couldn't understand.

39.Bh4

1. d4 Nf6 2. c4 e6 3. Nf3 Bb4+ 4. Nbd2 b6 5. a3 Bxd2+ 6. Bxd2 Bb7 7. g3 O-O 8. Bg2 Be4 9. O-O Nc6 10. Rc1 Rc8 11. Bf4 d6 12. Bh3 Bxf3 13. exf3 d5 14. c5 b5 15. Qd3 a5 16. Rfe1 Rb8 17. Bd2 Re8 18. f4 Ne4 19. Be3 h6 20. f3 Nf6 21. Bd2 Nd7 22. b4 a4 23. Bc3 Ne7 24. Re2 Nf8 25. Rce1 Qd7 26. Bd2 c6 27. g4 f5 28. Re5 Rbd8 29. R1e2 Rb8 30. Kh1 Rbd8 31. Re1 Kh8 32. R5e2 Rc8 33. Rg1 Rc7 34. Be1 Rb7 35. Bg3 Ra8 36. Re5 Nfg6 37. Re3 Nf8 38. Rge1 g6 39. Bh4

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Parent - - By NATIONAL12 (Gold) [gb] Date 2009-06-27 00:39
39...Ng8
Parent - - By NATIONAL12 (Gold) [gb] Date 2009-06-27 01:00
oh,the arrogance of youth.i love you Vytron.
Parent - - By Uly (Gold) [mx] Date 2009-06-27 01:07
Heh, by "white's plan is clear and it works whatever black tries" I didn't mean to say that black is lost, only that there's a white plan that can be done no matter what black does, I have yet to see if the plan itself works :smile:
Parent - - By NATIONAL12 (Gold) [gb] Date 2009-06-27 01:14
it doesen't.trust me.black is fine i hold the fortress.have fun.
Parent - - By Jonas (****) [at] Date 2009-06-27 01:22 Edited 2009-06-27 01:24
please sac something national if it works in a few moves. dont trust the rybka score then
Parent - By NATIONAL12 (Gold) [gb] Date 2009-06-27 01:28
i think i know what i am doing,if white overreaches himself i will go for the win.
Parent - - By Uly (Gold) [mx] Date 2009-06-27 03:19
40.Re5
Parent - - By Jonas (****) [at] Date 2009-06-27 03:31
what is rybka saying on h5 now? i cant use it its busy with my book tour
Parent - - By Uly (Gold) [mx] Date 2009-06-27 03:32
Please, let such questions until after the end of the game :wink:
Parent - By NATIONAL12 (Gold) [gb] Date 2009-06-27 08:44
40...Qf7
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Parent - - By Uly (Gold) [mx] Date 2009-06-27 21:40
41.Qe3

1. d4 Nf6 2. c4 e6 3. Nf3 Bb4+ 4. Nbd2 b6 5. a3 Bxd2+ 6. Bxd2 Bb7 7. g3 O-O 8. Bg2 Be4 9. O-O Nc6 10. Rc1 Rc8 11. Bf4 d6 12. Bh3 Bxf3 13. exf3 d5 14. c5 b5 15. Qd3 a5 16. Rfe1 Rb8 17. Bd2 Re8 18. f4 Ne4 19. Be3 h6 20. f3 Nf6 21. Bd2 Nd7 22. b4 a4 23. Bc3 Ne7 24. Re2 Nf8 25. Rce1 Qd7 26. Bd2 c6 27. g4 f5 28. Re5 Rbd8 29. R1e2 Rb8 30. Kh1 Rbd8 31. Re1 Kh8 32. R5e2 Rc8 33. Rg1 Rc7 34. Be1 Rb7 35. Bg3 Ra8 36. Re5 Nfg6 37. Re3 Nf8 38. Rge1 g6 39. Bh4 Ng8 40. Re5 Qf7 41. Qe3

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Parent - - By NATIONAL12 (Gold) [gb] Date 2009-06-27 23:14
now i can play 41...Rc8
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Parent - By NATIONAL12 (Gold) [gb] Date 2009-06-27 23:33
time for you to regroup now,with a new plan whilst i just putter about,i may move the King to h7 lets wait and see.
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