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- - By Rybka (*) Date 2007-06-01 22:28
If any   computer  vs  Rybka     match with atleast 16 games will be organized by Fide then i will give 200000 $  prize from my pocket to the non Rybka winner.  
Parent - - By Fulcrum2000 (****) Date 2007-06-01 22:34
sure...
Parent - - By Rybka (*) Date 2007-06-01 22:36 Edited 2007-06-01 22:39
Absolutely sure .
Parent - - By Carl Bicknell (*****) Date 2007-06-01 22:37
er...is this serious?
Parent - - By Rybka (*) Date 2007-06-01 22:40
Yes i am absolutely serious   .
Parent - By RFK (Gold) Date 2007-06-01 23:08 Edited 2007-06-01 23:14
If this is legitimate then contact Vas by private message and set it up. Otherwise, this thread cannot be taken seriously

regards,

robert
Parent - - By insipid (**) Date 2007-06-02 01:20
... and you are?

Yea, $200,000 guarantees from anonymous people on the internet won't get taken seriously by ANYBODY, as you should well know.  Gonna go with a 0% chance of this being legit.
Parent - - By billyraybar (***) Date 2007-06-02 01:45
Hello, this is Billy 'raybar' gates.  I am willing to up the ante to $ 1,000,000,000.00 U.S. Dollars.
Parent - By RFK (Gold) Date 2007-06-02 02:16 Edited 2007-06-02 02:20
The real indiginity is he was able to take on Rybka as his logon. What a trip!

By the way you guys send an email to FIDE will you!
Parent - - By Uri Blass (*****) Date 2007-06-02 03:42
I do not believe that you are serious but if you are serious Vas can make a deal with another programmer when Vas is going to reveal rybka's code to him to help him to make something better than rybka when the second programmer will pay Vas 500,000,000 u.s dollars from the prize.

Uri
Parent - By Carl Bicknell (*****) Date 2007-06-02 08:10
This offer needs to be in writing with the money as deposit held somewhere so everyone knows you mean business.
If you ARE serious and have the money - then that's a mighty fine offer. Hopefully it will tip the scales in Vas' favour.
Parent - - By Hetman (*****) Date 2007-06-02 10:24
"I do not believe that you are serious but if you are serious Vas can make a deal with another programmer when Vas is going to reveal rybka's code to him to help him to make something better than rybka when the second programmer will pay Vas 500,000,000 u.s dollars from the prize.

Uri"

Would you do that 'deal'   ?

If you would not than not make that suggestion than someone other could do that.
I think that such a suggestion with someone name it is the offence.
Hetman
Parent - - By M ANSARI (*****) Date 2007-06-02 10:49
Why does everyone immediately assume that this person is not serious?  I think he should be given a chance to elaborate a little more before judging him negatively.
Parent - - By Kapaun (****) Date 2007-06-02 11:00
If he wants to give his prize only to a NON RYBKA WINNER (as he says), he should rather contact Chessbase, right?
Parent - - By Harvey Williamson (*****) Date 2007-06-02 11:21
He can contact me - Hiarcs will be happy to take his money! :-)
Parent - By Kapaun (****) Date 2007-06-02 11:29
I bet! But you must win first... ;)
Parent - - By Uri Blass (*****) Date 2007-06-02 11:28
I do not see why you take it personal.

The point is that if somebody suggests seriously a lot of money to somebody who is going to beat rybka he risks the possibility that Vas will lose for part of the money prize
and he can lose not by making his program weaker(it will cause a suspect that he lost on purpose) but by helping another programmer to be stronger.

I do not believe that somebody will suggest seriously big money for a program that is going to beat rybka because even if we assume that no program can do it by normal means there is no reason to take the risk that I mention.

It is more logical that somebody will offer Vas big money for his source code and I do not think that somebody offered it.

Uri
Parent - - By Gaмßito (****) Date 2007-06-02 19:00
I agree. With so much money in game, any thing can happen. :-)
Parent - - By Rybka (*) Date 2007-06-05 19:12
First of all SORY for 4 days absent , i have to go in a remote area where there is no internet and wap service available .
OK now comes to my offer .

I want  2  conditions from the tournament organiser 

first is that the hardware is more or less equal for both the engines
and
Second is that the hardware is present at the match site    ( no remote internet  connectivity because  in such a case there is a possibility of human GM aid )
I really don't know that why vasik has offered the infinite hardware because chessbase has definately more resources than vasik and they can easily use a very powerfull machine as they have use recently in a computer championship match  in which  chess engine junior is running on some 256 processor machine on a remote site via internet.
And if they acquire such machine for  zap zanzibar    which is already only 60 points behind rybka's latest version then   zanzibar would definately have better chances of wiinning such a match  as  people know that   on doubling the processor speed  engine's elo rougly increases to 40 - 70 points  .
Parent - - By M ANSARI (*****) Date 2007-06-05 19:19
Maybe Vas knows something that nobody else does.  I don't think he would throw a gauntlet that he was not certain he could navigate through.  Rybka is stronger than anything on any hardware ... and that probably includes Zap Zanzibar on 256 processors.  Maybe on short time controls Zap on massive hardware would be able to compete ... but on long time controls tactical tricks that are caught by deep searches are not so effective since Rybka will most likely be able to see them.  Vas probably already has a good working beta that scales very well.  Actually the 2.3.2 beta scaled extremely well, but was hampered by hash bugs.  I would think that by now much more progress in that department has been made.
Parent - - By grolich (***) Date 2007-06-06 10:00
Saying that Rybka is stronger than anything no matter on how many processors the "anything" runs on pretty much contradicts what Vas has claimed in the past.

he said that with a huge difference in processors the other program would probably win
(he said that "If an engine using 512 processors can't beat Rybka, then something is definitely very wrong").
I don't think that with 256, for example, the issue will be that much different. With something like Zap maybe even less (but zap is not an issue in this challenge).

More likely is one (or a combination of) the following:
1) The scalability of 2.3.2 is already good enough to give reasonable performance increases. Enough to maintain a lead. Even if far from the other engine's scalability.

2) Vas can run Rybka on a very powerful computer he already knows he will have access to.
Even with bad scaling capability, Rybka's work on a 32 core machine will make it prohibitively difficult for either Fritz or Junior to catch up. even on a 256 processor monster.

3) The level of the soon (hopefully) to be released 2.3.2, is actually a lot stronger than the 50 point increase that was claimed at first.
Could be. After all, the 50 point increase was claimed a while ago, and Vas decided the version is not yet ready to be released. It may be possible that all stability issued (and the zugzwangs issue and who knows what else) caused another increase in elo... No one knows how big or small that increase is.
(That said, it will be more than just amazing if 2.3.2 will be FAR more than 50 points stronger than its predecessor, but who knows...).
Parent - - By Vasik Rajlich (Silver) Date 2007-06-07 09:05
Rybka - please get in touch with me, we'll have to discuss this via email.

If you took currently existing public programs, then I suspect that Rybka would lose to Zappa on 512 processors, although I am far from sure about it. Rybka's current MP implementation is not designed for such a number of processors. This is going to change, obviously.

Vas
Parent - - By Rybka (*) Date 2007-06-07 12:21

> I suspect that Rybka would lose to Zappa on 512 processors


Yes that's my concern in such a match .

My email is
aqount@hotmail.com

Don't know yours.

And is there any check on the human aid during a remote internet connection with hardware ?
Parent - - By Dadi Jonsson (Silver) Date 2007-06-07 12:27

> My email is
>  aqount@hotmail.com


Are you sure? Why are the logs on this server repeatedly showing messages like this one:

Delivery to the following recipients failed.

       aqount@hotmail.com

Final-Recipient: rfc822;aqount@hotmail.com
Action: failed
Status: 5.5.0
Diagnostic-Code: smtp;550 Requested action not taken: mailbox unavailable
(-2021373490:1382:-2147467259)


Yesterday I sent you a message pointing this out.
Parent - - By Rybka (*) Date 2007-06-07 12:38 Edited 2007-06-07 13:17
its working
i have checked  it
for confirmation give me ur email and i reply u on this from my address.

IF problems are still there with       

aqount@hotmail.com  

then try this

Coolfemale.com@Hotmail.com
Parent - - By Fulcrum2000 (****) Date 2007-06-07 17:24
This is getting stranger every minute...
Parent - - By Rybka (*) Date 2007-06-07 18:18

> This is getting stranger every minute..


What's strange in that ?
Parent - - By Fulcrum2000 (****) Date 2007-06-07 19:08
You email addresses don't look really professional for someone offering 200K USD...
Parent - - By Rybka (*) Date 2007-06-07 20:14

> You email addresses don't look really professional for someone offering 200K USD..


Because in pakistan business has very little to do with internet or email accounts .
and u are suprised to know that its only 2 years back when there is the first  ATM machine works in pakistan. !!

by the way my email address is aqount@hotmail.com  
 
coolfemale.com@hotmail.com is my Mrs email address.
Parent - - By Felix Kling (Gold) Date 2007-06-07 21:09
I wonder what the situation for chessplayers is in Pakistan now. I only know one chess player from Pakistan - Sultan Khan, who was a very strong player some time ago (in the 1920s?), but in the current rating list there are only 9 active players... is the situation that bad? This would surprise me since in India the situation seems to be quite good...
Parent - - By Rybka (*) Date 2007-06-07 21:38
Much more bad than this .
sicne in last 10 years  there are only 3 national tournaments  and there is long time ago when any rated competiton has been played.
u have mentioned sultan khan but   u don't know that he has never played from pakistan  he only migrated to pakistan after the 1947 dividend of subcontinent  he only played from british india.
One more thing the largest prize money ever  given for the chess tournament is 50000 rupee  equivalent to  800 $ !!!

And one can't even find where is the pakistan chess federation and who is the president of it  ,  
if  u find then plz  email me.
Parent - By Felix Kling (Gold) Date 2007-06-08 08:33
Chess Federation of Pakistan (1957/7) Zone 3.1b
H. #2997 Street #5 Daura Road
Sharif Abad
Near Kohat Road
Peshawar
Pakistan  (92)42-751 33 44
salim_chess@yahoo.com

Google leads to this address :)
Parent - - By sovi (**) Date 2007-06-08 10:06 Edited 2007-06-08 10:09
Chess Federation of Pakistan, including mobile phone
http://www.fide.com/official/dir.asp?f=111
Parent - - By Rybka (*) Date 2007-06-08 18:19
thanx
Parent - - By Rybka (*) Date 2007-08-04 20:48
Hi mates 
This offer of 200000 bucks had put my marriage on the verge of divorce , I really was not expecting such a strong threat  from my wife . Although i had tried my best to convince her that there is very less possibility that rybka would actually loose but have no succes in changing her mind .
So i am really very sorry for that.
By the way i will continue my struggle to find some other sponsor for arranging such a match with big prize money.
I am really feeling very empty that why i don't have such a life partner like Rybka's author  have  , who is very passionate about chess , but that lifes and one can't do much about that.

God Bless   Rybka  and  Vasik
Parent - By SR (****) Date 2007-08-04 21:12
Walt Disney also put all the family fortune on the stake and in fact nearly went bankrupt before Snow White and the seven dwarfs was a mega success and took the world with storm. A high profile match with Rybka would have been an excellent way of advertising the program, however maybe playing only 10 games was too risky.... 
Parent - By Juergen Faas (**) Date 2007-08-04 21:15
LOL! Truth or lie - anyway, a funny story ;o)
Parent - By Vasik Rajlich (Silver) Date 2007-08-05 13:35
Ok, Rybka is great but I don't know if she's worth getting divorced over :)

Vas
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