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- - By Uly (Gold) [mx] Date 2009-05-06 07:59 Edited 2009-05-29 23:23
During relay chess, members of a team take turns making moves. The catch is that team members aren't allowed to communicate. The Team H1N1 Junkies consists of PortCitySlim and Vytron, while the Vempele & NATIONAL12 team consists of Vempele and NATIONAL12. We'll play two games at the same time, in this one H1N1 Junkies get white, PortCitySlim and Vempele get the odd moves while Vytron (i.e. me) and NATIONAL12 get the even moves. Moves are laced, so your clock doesn't start tickling until the opponents have moved at both boards. More information here.

It's PortCitySlim's turn to move, then it comes Vempele, me and NATIONAL12 (since there were no objections to swapping places, we did it).

[Event "Relay Chess"]
[Site "Rybka Forum"]
[Date "2009.05.29"]
[Round "2"]
[White "Vytron & PortCitySlim (Team H1N1)"]
[Black "NATIONAL12 & Vempele"]
[ECO "B09"]
[Opening "Pirc"]
[Variation "Austrian, 5...c5 6.Bb5 Bd7 7.e5 Ng4 8.Bxd7"]
[Result "1/2-1/2"]

1. e4 g6 2. d4 d6 3. Nc3 Bg7 4. f4 Nf6 5. Nf3 c5 6. Bb5+
Bd7 7. e5 Ng4 8. Bxd7+ Qxd7 9. h3 cxd4 10. Qxd4 Nc6 11. Qa4
Nh6 12. Bd2 Nf5 13. O-O-O dxe5 14. Rhe1 Nfd4 15. Be3 Rd8
16. fxe5 b5 17. Qa6 Nb4 18. Qa3 Nbxc2 19. Rxd4 Nxa3
20. Rxd7 Rxd7 21. bxa3 O-O 22. Rd1 Rxd1+ 23. Kxd1 a6 24. a4
bxa4 25. Nxa4 Rc8 26. Kd2 f6 27. e6 Rc4 28. Nc3 Rc6 29. Nd4
Rd6 30. Nce2 f5 31. a4 g5 32. Kd3 f4 33. Bd2 Rd5 34. Kc4
Re5 35. Ng1 Re4 36. Ngf3 {Draw Agreed.} 1/2-1/2

6k1/4p1bp/p3P3/6p1/P1KNrp2/5N1P/3B2P1/8 b - -


(24 hours to move)



Vs.

NATIONAL12 & Vempele

Obviously these games are played as a fun experiment, good luck everyone!
Parent - - By Bobby C (****) Date 2009-05-06 10:00
I am going to sleep soon so I will make my move tonight and get the ball rolling on these games..

1.e4  Best by Test - Bobby Fischer
Parent - - By Vempele (Silver) [fi] Date 2009-05-06 14:50 Edited 2009-05-06 14:54
"The Sicilian Defense is just an opening trap, trying to provoke White to play d4" - some 2600+ GM.

List of moves I've played here before: e5, c5, e6, Nf6, Nc6, b6.
List of self-respecting moves I have never played here: c6, d6, g6, d5.

1...c6 has been seen before.
The Scandinavian is just too similar to the CK.

Which leaves 1...d6 and 1...g6. They often transpose to each other, but just to be sure:

*flips a coin*

1...g6 Like chess, only without the dice - Lukas Podolski
Parent - - By Uly (Gold) [mx] Date 2009-05-06 19:56
Wow, just when I was saying that you should not pick opening moves at random on correspondence games o_O

Anyway, I'll throw a die for my move...

2.g3!? NO WAY, let me try again.

2.c4!? Ouch, what an ugly looking move!

Nah, forget it.

2.d4

It will be NATIONAL12's turn, as soon as PortCitySlim moves at the other board.
Parent - - By Vempele (Silver) [fi] Date 2009-05-06 20:34

> Wow, just when I was saying that you should not pick opening moves at random on correspondence games o_O


Well, 1...g6 would've been my first choice even without the coin. It was just for the quote, really. :)
Parent - - By NATIONAL12 (Gold) [gb] Date 2009-05-06 21:37
dont worry i have a plan?
Parent - By Vempele (Silver) [fi] Date 2009-05-06 21:47
Of the two, 1...g6 has given me more trouble.
Parent - - By Bobby C (****) Date 2009-05-06 22:23

> It will be NATIONAL12's turn, as soon as PortCitySlim moves at the other board.


I was in a huge hurry this morning when I got up to make it to work on time. I know the obvious reply's to Nat12's move but I want to wait tell I get home to dig through my books a bit so I know what kind of game I am moving into if I play a common move. I am going to be moving tonight in about 8 hours, sorry for the slight delay in the opening :)
Parent - By NATIONAL12 (Gold) [gb] Date 2009-05-06 22:32
i understand your difficulties,obviously my cunning plan in playing 1.d4 has caught you unprepared.
Parent - - By punter11235 (**) [pl] Date 2009-05-06 21:26
Great idea guys :) I love watching such events.

EDIT : Btw why is board in main post not updated ?
Parent - - By Uly (Gold) [mx] Date 2009-05-07 02:05
Because it wasn't on my plan to update it, but since nobody bothers in posting the board when they move (including Vytron), I guess I'll do it.
Parent - - By NATIONAL12 (Gold) [gb] Date 2009-05-07 08:43
2...d6
Parent - - By Uly (Gold) [mx] Date 2009-05-07 16:30
-> It'll be PortCitySlim's turn as soon as Vempele moves at the other board.
Parent - - By Vempele (Silver) [fi] Date 2009-05-07 17:01 Edited 2009-05-07 17:03
The move is completed when you add it to the first post. :-p

By the way, could you sticky these threads? There aren't too many stickies in Computer Chess...
Parent - By Uly (Gold) [mx] Date 2009-05-07 17:47

> The move is completed when you add it to the first post. :-p


Then I won't add your moves to the first post and you'll lose on time :-P
Parent - - By Bobby C (****) Date 2009-05-07 19:17
3.Nc3 I am heartbroken that I do not get to make the fourth move on this board. :(
Parent - - By Uly (Gold) [mx] Date 2009-05-07 19:21

> I am heartbroken that I do not get to make the fourth move on this board.


I guess you could have mentioned that to me before the games started...
Parent - - By Bobby C (****) Date 2009-05-07 19:24 Edited 2009-05-07 19:34

> I guess you could have mentioned that to me before the games started...


I did not know they would play this opening, :) I just have a pet line that I love playing in this game OTB, this is computer assisted so it is different.
Parent - By Vempele (Silver) [fi] Date 2009-05-07 21:26

> I just have a pet line that I love playing in this game OTB


Lol, me too. I actually played 1...g6 partly to avoid mine. :-)
Parent - - By Vempele (Silver) [fi] Date 2009-05-08 16:45
3...Bg7

Woot, I get a free move because Vytron hasn't updated the board yet!
Parent - - By Uly (Gold) [mx] Date 2009-05-08 19:41
Ignore the board in the first post, that's just so spectators can follow the game without having to dig within it and building a game move by move.

Anyway, this needs some spice

4.f4

PS - We Owned the Other Team? Isn't it too soon for wooting?
Parent - By Vempele (Silver) [fi] Date 2009-05-08 20:01 Edited 2009-05-08 20:11

> PS - We Owned the Other Team?


No, just a l33t-to-English translation of w00t, an interjection expressing joy (it could be after a triumph, or for no reason at all)

> 4.f4


Good. Avoided my pet line. :)
Parent - - By Bobby C (****) Date 2009-05-08 20:55

> 4.f4


Sweet. This is what I wanted :) My favorite line in this opening.
Parent - By NATIONAL12 (Gold) [gb] Date 2009-05-08 21:03
dont have much choice here.4...Nf6
Parent - By Bobby C (****) Date 2009-05-08 21:35
5.Nf3

1. e4 g6 2. d4 d6 3. Nc3 Bg7 4. f4 Nf6 5.Nf3
Parent - - By Vempele (Silver) [fi] Date 2009-05-08 21:47
5...c5

1. e4 g6 2. d4 d6 3. Nc3 Bg7 4. f4 Nf6 5.Nf3 c5

I never found a White advantage in this line, unlike 5...O-O.
Parent - By punter11235 (**) [pl] Date 2009-05-08 23:03
Cool line. I've always wondered what white can do there to gain any advantage. We will see :)
Parent - - By Uly (Gold) [mx] Date 2009-05-08 22:15
6. Bb5+

Check!
Parent - - By Vempele (Silver) [fi] Date 2009-05-08 22:16 Edited 2009-05-08 22:19
*Makes sure it's not mate*

All your check are belong to us. You have no chance to survive make your time. :lol::lol::lol::lol:....:evil:
Parent - - By Uly (Gold) [mx] Date 2009-05-08 22:19
Yeah, being a game for fun it's the first time I get to do that :)

:cry:

EDIT - lol, that didn't work, let's see :fat: :neutral: :roll:

Ok, the other ones work o_O :cry:
Parent - - By Vempele (Silver) [fi] Date 2009-05-08 22:20

> :cry:


Works when I quote it.
Parent - - By Uly (Gold) [mx] Date 2009-05-08 22:22
And the second one I posted worked!
Parent - By NATIONAL12 (Gold) [gb] Date 2009-05-08 22:41
6...Bd7
Parent - - By Bobby C (****) Date 2009-05-09 03:44
7.e5

1. e4 g6 2. d4 d6 3. Nc3 Bg7 4. f4 Nf6 5. Nf3 c5 6. Bb5+ Bd7 7.e5

rn1qk2r/pp1bppbp/3p1np1/1Bp1P3/3P1P2/2N2N2/PPP3PP/R1BQK2R b KQkq - 0 7
Parent - - By Vempele (Silver) [fi] Date 2009-05-09 06:06
7...Ng4

1. e4 g6 2. d4 d6 3. Nc3 Bg7 4. f4 Nf6 5. Nf3 c5 6. Bb5+ Bd7 7.e5 Ng4
Parent - - By Vempele (Silver) [fi] Date 2009-05-09 07:34
Does Vytron's turn here start after his next move on the other board or after NATIONAL12's reply to it?
Parent - - By Uly (Gold) [mx] Date 2009-05-09 08:09 Edited 2009-05-09 08:13
Guessing by the move numbers, this might be the game in where my clock doesn't start running until Nat12 replies to my move at the other board, but I could be guessing wrong. Really, I'm afraid trying to understand it may turn it into a brown tone or something.

Bobby! Help!
Parent - - By Bobby C (****) Date 2009-05-09 08:26
Dude I am lost too. I am just follow the move order of National 12 - PortCitySlim - Vempele - Vytron - National 12 - PortCitySlim - Vempele - Vytron.

Basically you had the correct idea of not moving until both players have made their moves respectively at their boards. If it is Nat12's turn at Board #1 and Vempele's move at Board #2 then that means neither myself or you can make a move until they are finished. It should never ever ever be a team members turn when the other team has to move at another board. Correct?
Parent - - By Uly (Gold) [mx] Date 2009-05-09 09:45
Nah, I'm happy with "those that fail at keeping the games laced are giving more time to the opponent, since the clock will not start until games are laced" thing, and I don't mind giving them more time this time (since their reply is forced anyway.)

*Ahem* in chess related matters it turns out that the beautiful move of this position turns out to draw or something :sad:, so I'll just, play the other one.

8.Bxd7+
Parent - - By Vempele (Silver) [fi] Date 2009-05-09 09:51

> *Ahem* in chess related matters it turns out that the beautiful move of this position turns out to draw or something ",


8. e6 fxe6 9. Ng5 Bxb5 10. Nxe6 Bxd4 11. Nxb5!

These smileys don't quote properly.
Parent - - By Uly (Gold) [mx] Date 2009-05-09 10:15
I was looking at 8...Bxb5! of course.
Parent - - By Vempele (Silver) [fi] Date 2009-05-09 10:20
That's the "White advantage" kind of "or something".
Parent - - By Uly (Gold) [mx] Date 2009-05-09 10:31
0.15 at some future position on these lines after some interactive analysis? Not enough for me.

*Trying to get something better after leaving book*
Parent - - By Vempele (Silver) [fi] Date 2009-05-09 10:38
But Bxd7 is equality at best.
Parent - - By Uly (Gold) [mx] Date 2009-05-09 10:48

>When Bxd7 is 0.04 (with an ugly position to boot), 0.15 should be enough.


/edit

>But Bxd7 is equality at best.


I guess a future edit has "You're right, Bxd7 is much better" coming?
Parent - - By Vempele (Silver) [fi] Date 2009-05-09 11:06
Well, no. I haven't been able to get Rybka below 0.20 yet, but she'll get there soon.
Parent - - By Vempele (Silver) [fi] Date 2009-05-09 12:41 Edited 2009-05-09 13:35

> Well, no. I haven't been able to get Rybka below 0.20 yet, but she'll get there soon.


The one line where she still doesn't believe me is a dead draw. Stubborn fish.

Edit: that line's 0.06 now.
Parent - - By Uly (Gold) [mx] Date 2009-05-09 23:21
Are you claiming that black achieved a position easy to draw in 7 moves?
Parent - By Vempele (Silver) [fi] Date 2009-05-10 08:39 Edited 2009-05-10 08:48
Easy (in relative terms - this is correspondence chess, after all) to equalize, not draw. Overnight IDeA gives 0.11 with an interesting position.
Parent - - By Bobby C (****) Date 2009-05-09 09:55
You moved at the wrong board ! It was your move here, but not until the other game has caught up to this one. You need to make your reply to Vempele at the other board then let Nat12 make his move and then I make my move there, at that point that games should be caught up. It is still only move #6 there and you just made move # 8 here.

On a second note, this is something I am proposing. #1 We still try our best to keep the games laced, however we forget about the time control but still promise to do everything humanly possible to move within 24 hours when it is our turn. This whole game is a game between friends and on the honor system anyways, we promised before the game to not have any game related communications between teammates during the game so what is wrong with promising to each other to try our best to move in a timely manner(no flag)?
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