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Parent - By turbojuice1122 (Gold) [us] Date 2008-07-22 14:17
Current game: 1.e4 c5 2.d4 cxd4 3. c3 dxc3 4.Nxc3 Nc6 5.Nf3 e6 6.Bc4 a6 7.0-0 b5 8.Bd3 Bb7 9.Bf4 Rc8 10.Qe2 Bc5 11.Rac1 Nce7 12.Bd2 Ng6 13.b4 Be7 14.a4 Nf6 15.axb5 axb5 16.Nxb5 0-0 17.Rxc8 Qxc8 18.Nbd4 Qb8 19.g3 Ng4 20.Rc1 Qd6 21.Bb1 N4e5 22.h4 h5 23.Be1 Qb6 24.Nxe5 Nxe5 25.Qxh5 f6 26.Rd1 Bxb4 27.Bxb4 Qxb4

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Parent - By turbojuice1122 (Gold) [us] Date 2008-07-24 14:00
Current game:

1.e4 c5 2.d4 cxd4 3. c3 dxc3 4.Nxc3 Nc6 5.Nf3 e6 6.Bc4 a6 7.0-0 b5 8.Bd3 Bb7 9.Bf4 Rc8 10.Qe2 Bc5 11.Rac1 Nce7 12.Bd2 Ng6 13.b4 Be7 14.a4 Nf6 15.axb5 axb5 16.Nxb5 0-0 17.Rxc8 Qxc8 18.Nbd4 Qb8 19.g3 Ng4 20.Rc1 Qd6 21.Bb1 N4e5 22.h4 h5 23.Be1 Qb6 24.Nxe5 Nxe5 25.Qxh5 f6 26.Rd1 Bxb4 27.Bxb4 Qxb4 28.f4 Nd3

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Parent - - By turbojuice1122 (Gold) [us] Date 2008-07-26 14:26
Current game:

1.e4 c5 2.d4 cxd4 3. c3 dxc3 4.Nxc3 Nc6 5.Nf3 e6 6.Bc4 a6 7.0-0 b5 8.Bd3 Bb7 9.Bf4 Rc8 10.Qe2 Bc5 11.Rac1 Nce7 12.Bd2 Ng6 13.b4 Be7 14.a4 Nf6 15.axb5 axb5 16.Nxb5 0-0 17.Rxc8 Qxc8 18.Nbd4 Qb8 19.g3 Ng4 20.Rc1 Qd6 21.Bb1 N4e5 22.h4 h5 23.Be1 Qb6 24.Nxe5 Nxe5 25.Qxh5 f6 26.Rd1 Bxb4 27.Bxb4 Qxb4 28.f4 Nd3 29.Bxd3 Qxd4+ 30.Kh2 Bc6

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Parent - - By George Tsavdaris (****) Date 2008-07-26 15:08
It seems that even if white plays more or less randomly here, it suffices to draw.....
But i guess we would have to wait another 2 long days before they will play.... :-(
Parent - - By Lukas Cimiotti (Bronze) [de] Date 2008-07-26 16:50
Monte Carlo here says 88% draw 12% win for black. We should try to take that 12% chance. Btw. in the starting position Monte Carlo sees a much lower chance for black ;)
So we are on the right way.
Parent - - By sarciness (***) [gb] Date 2008-07-26 18:34
Shocking! I thought black was winning in all lines...
Parent - - By Lukas Cimiotti (Bronze) [de] Date 2008-07-26 19:01
In that case we'd have announced the distance to mate ;)
Parent - - By sarciness (***) [gb] Date 2008-07-26 19:05
It's 1597 moves, isn't it? With zugzwang forcing the loss of a pawn and the game by move 1526.
Parent - - By Harvey Williamson (*****) Date 2008-07-26 19:24
thankfully we have an arbiter to ensure fair play and enforce the 50 move rule.
Parent - - By sarciness (***) [gb] Date 2008-07-26 19:28
Shucks. Isn't it the 60-move rule now?
Parent - By Harvey Williamson (*****) Date 2008-07-26 19:30
probably it is the which captain loses interest 1st and forgets to post rule.
Parent - - By turbojuice1122 (Gold) [us] Date 2008-07-26 19:31
But are we playing by all FIDE rules?  What if we find a 7-piece tablebase ending that wins? ;-)
Parent - - By Harvey Williamson (*****) Date 2008-07-26 19:32
ask Graham its up to him
Parent - - By George Tsavdaris (****) Date 2008-07-26 19:43
I think 50 move rule is to be followed here.

While i don't agree with the 50 move rule in some positions that are won for example in 70 moves without piece capture and Pawn move, the 50 move rule is as simple it can be and making complicated rules is not the best.....
Parent - By turbojuice1122 (Gold) [us] Date 2008-07-26 19:52
I was thinking this with a slight complication that is easy to understand: "50-move rule unless at 50 moves one side can prove that it is a position that has been solved with tablebases to be a win, in which case that side must supply a long line of conditionals leading to the said win".  This means that it must be a case where the solution is known, which is very difficult to do with most of the 7-piece wins, as these are known, but not publicly available.

Of course, I very, very highly doubt that we are going to be dealing with a situation where this rule would be useful...
Parent - - By Graham Banks (****) [nz] Date 2008-07-26 20:19
As far as I'm aware, the 50 move rule is still the official FIDE stance.
I'm sure somebody will correct me if I'm wrong.   ;-)
Parent - - By turbojuice1122 (Gold) [us] Date 2008-07-26 20:21
What we're wondering is whether the official FIDE stance should be applied to this game, or whether if one side can prove that it has a win in a certain number of moves that would require suspending the 50-move rule, they can be awarded the opportunity to show the win over the board.
Parent - - By turbojuice1122 (Gold) [us] Date 2008-07-26 20:22
I guess it doesn't really matter: I'm sure that if the match ended drawn but one side had a 7-piece tablebase win that they couldn't play due to the 50-move rule, history would remember that side as the "winner", even if not officially. :-)
Parent - - By George Tsavdaris (****) Date 2008-07-26 20:29
Actually the 50-move rule is a stupid rule for computer play when there are tablebases that can prove there is a forced win in more than 50 moves with no Pawn move and piece capture.
The 50-move rule philosophy is just to prevent long pointless games and also to protect some players from stubborn or unskilled players that try to win drawn endgames.
Parent - By Graham Banks (****) [nz] Date 2008-07-26 20:31

> Actually the 50-move rule is a stupid rule for computer play when there are tablebases that can prove there is a forced win in more than 50 moves with no Pawn move and piece capture.
>  The 50-move rule philosophy is just to prevent long pointless games and also to protect some players from stubborn or unskilled players that try to win drawn endgames.


It's certainly a godsend in OTB play, that's for sure.   :-)
Parent - By Graham Banks (****) [nz] Date 2008-07-26 20:29

> I guess it doesn't really matter: I'm sure that if the match ended drawn but one side had a 7-piece tablebase win that they couldn't play due to the 50-move rule, history would remember that side as the "winner", even if not officially.


Perhaps although I've not seen too many GMs using that theory or too many modern chess books allude to it.   :-)
Parent - By Lukas Cimiotti (Bronze) [de] Date 2008-07-26 22:55
If the distance to mate is more than 100, I'll convince my teammates to offer a draw. My computer never announced a mate in more than 91 moves (that mate in 91 was KNNKP )
Parent - - By turbojuice1122 (Gold) [us] Date 2008-07-26 19:30
Well, as you know, it's not a dead position, and so some of us want to continue playing until it is clear to everyone.  In other words, we are trying to show the difference between real grandmasters and Kramnik. :-)
Parent - - By Mars (**) [de] Date 2008-07-26 20:27
...until it is clear to everyone.

Just wondering if it means that we're going to play until naked kings... ;-)

Martin
Parent - - By NATIONAL12 (Gold) [gb] Date 2008-07-26 20:50
there is a lot of play left in this game,when Turbo said september,i think he was being over optimistic,as i have mentioned on the forum,some of us are looking at christmas,as we avoid the drawing lines.second game would then start Jan 1st
Parent - - By George Tsavdaris (****) Date 2008-07-26 21:07
I believe this game will end inside August 2008 or worst case until around September 20.
Parent - - By NATIONAL12 (Gold) [gb] Date 2008-07-26 21:11
good to hear george,i must have missed some of your winning AN.
Parent - - By George Tsavdaris (****) Date 2008-07-26 21:14
No, you missed this.....
This thing showed me the way.
Parent - By NATIONAL12 (Gold) [gb] Date 2008-07-26 21:18
no i did not,are you now using this version,please please let me have it.
Parent - - By Lukas Cimiotti (Bronze) [de] Date 2008-07-26 23:01
I don't know if it's better to win in August or in September ;)
Parent - - By NATIONAL12 (Gold) [gb] Date 2008-07-27 21:34
dont bother me,i have already forcast that second game will start Jan 1st.a bit like R3 forcasts.by then there will be new hardware available for us.
Parent - By Geomusic (*****) Date 2008-07-29 14:43
haha prey for 16 core nehalem!
Parent - - By Mars (**) [de] Date 2008-07-26 22:18
There is some play. The question is for how long since "avoiding drawing lines" might become difficult soon. :-)
Parent - - By NATIONAL12 (Gold) [gb] Date 2008-07-27 21:21
the hamsters are taking a long time to respond to what they believe is a drawn game,maybe they are finding it not so drawn on reflection.
Parent - - By Harvey Williamson (*****) Date 2008-07-27 21:31
We chose our move yesterday but have decided to wait 47 hours to post it. sadly you will still hold the record of 47 hours 59 minutes for a move.
Parent - By NATIONAL12 (Gold) [gb] Date 2008-07-27 21:36
well you can try and beat it,make sure you press the right button though.
Parent - - By George Tsavdaris (****) Date 2008-07-27 21:37

>We chose our move yesterday but have decided to wait 47 hours to post it.


I hope you are joking..... :-)

I guess this has to do with the numerous "complains" you are hearing from us that you are too slow.... :-)
Parent - - By Harvey Williamson (*****) Date 2008-07-27 21:38
well yes and no we chose a move but are still analysing this and one other.
Parent - - By NATIONAL12 (Gold) [gb] Date 2008-07-27 21:43
we chose a move after 5 mins,then analyse it
Parent - By Harvey Williamson (*****) Date 2008-07-27 21:45
Amazing your team are all here within 5 minutes of us posting a move that is indeed impressive.
Parent - - By NATIONAL12 (Gold) [gb] Date 2008-07-27 21:40
about hardware my comp crashed.we dont care if we have fastest or not,just a lot more of it.
Parent - - By Harvey Williamson (*****) Date 2008-07-27 21:42
personally I think less is more I  would rather have a human input to the game.
Parent - By NATIONAL12 (Gold) [gb] Date 2008-07-27 21:45
we have,that is our luxury,amongst others we have 2 Russians playing without computers
Parent - - By NATIONAL12 (Gold) [gb] Date 2008-07-27 22:03
i have just been looking through the list of our players and find we have none from the following countries China,South Koreo,Samoa,Nigeria,whoops we have one from Nigeria,Borneo,Honduras,no not Mexico you have the only sombrero wearer,Turkey,Iraq,Syria and Afghanistan and Sudan.most others are well covered.
Parent - - By Harvey Williamson (*****) Date 2008-07-27 22:05
oh
Parent - By NATIONAL12 (Gold) [gb] Date 2008-07-27 22:07
bit of fun Harvey.
Parent - - By NATIONAL12 (Gold) [gb] Date 2008-07-27 22:17
we also have a player that is not in your map of the world.the country is Cloud Cuckoo Land,i hope Robert will forgive me for this.
Parent - - By Harvey Williamson (*****) Date 2008-07-27 22:19
hehe Robert is unique for sure no arguments from me about this one - tell him I am still waiting for my bread.
Parent - By NATIONAL12 (Gold) [gb] Date 2008-07-27 22:23
i saw that post.i dont want to ask you what it means.in UK it means only one thing.
Parent - - By turbojuice1122 (Gold) [us] Date 2008-07-29 02:14
Current game:  1.e4 c5 2.d4 cxd4 3. c3 dxc3 4.Nxc3 Nc6 5.Nf3 e6 6.Bc4 a6 7.0-0 b5 8.Bd3 Bb7 9.Bf4 Rc8 10.Qe2 Bc5 11.Rac1 Nce7 12.Bd2 Ng6 13.b4 Be7 14.a4 Nf6 15.axb5 axb5 16.Nxb5 0-0 17.Rxc8 Qxc8 18.Nbd4 Qb8 19.g3 Ng4 20.Rc1 Qd6 21.Bb1 N4e5 22.h4 h5 23.Be1 Qb6 24.Nxe5 Nxe5 25.Qxh5 f6 26.Rd1 Bxb4 27.Bxb4 Qxb4 28.f4 Nd3 29.Bxd3 Qxd4+ 30.Kh2 Bc6 31.Qe2 Rb8

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