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- - By Mark Mason (***) [gb] Date 2008-07-16 16:48
So now looks like being 1st August and price £74.99 ?

http://www.ukgamesshop.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Product_Code=chnew439&Cat%20egory_Code=
Parent - - By FWCC (***) [us] Date 2008-07-16 17:04
Thank you Mark I wonder if Aquarium can access Playchess.com engine room,I'm sure it can.It can also access Nalimov TB while online!! This is great.
Parent - - By Felix Kling (Gold) [de] Date 2008-07-16 17:20
"access Playchess.com engine room"
No, it can't, since playchess.com is the server by chessbase and the protocol to connect is not open and it would be illegal to create a program which connects to this server. Anyway, some major updates are planned for the GUI, so also the Client for ChessOK's chess server will be updated (the first version will have already svg pieces and little improvements) and engine vs. engine play support is one of the plans.
Note that accessing online databases is too slow for engine vs. engine play, but of course it helps in analysis (it automatically adds the best line from the online bases).
Parent - - By vermillion (**) [ca] Date 2008-07-16 20:43 Edited 2008-07-16 21:30
the Client for ChessOK's chess server will be updated (the first version will have already svg pieces and little improvements) and engine vs. engine play support is one of the plans

Will this be in the upcoming release or as a free update later?
To me Free Internet chess server access is useless without engine vs. engine play support.
Parent - - By Felix Kling (Gold) [de] Date 2008-07-16 22:47
It's definetly not in the first release. I also can't  tell you when it comes and even can't promise you that it comes, you would have to ask the programmers at ChessOK. But they plan to work on the client and the chances that something like the engine room on chessbase will be created are not bad. Btw., this is not for FICS but for Chessplanet/ Chess Assistant Club
Parent - - By Banned for Life (Gold) Date 2008-07-17 00:41
Sounds like a serious miscue. There are generally over 3,000 people on the CB server, mostly playing without engine assistance (so they say) with a few percent playing engine-engine games. I'm surprised that Convekta didn't have this as a priority.

Regards,
Alan
Parent - By Felix Kling (Gold) [de] Date 2008-07-17 10:53
The point is that you can't establish a new book format that well if you don't allow engine engine games via internet.
Parent - - By Banned for Life (Gold) Date 2008-07-16 18:45
That would be ~$150 here in the USA (if we pay the same price).  I suspect this is above the price that would maximize net revenue without some kind of security measures.
Parent - - By turbojuice1122 (Gold) [us] Date 2008-07-16 19:53
I suspect that you're right. 

I, for one, don't think that I would pay this price.  If there are full assurances that there will be persistent hash, I might reconsider.
Parent - - By George Tsavdaris (****) Date 2008-07-16 20:04
I don't find this reasonable. Not what you said, but the prices.
Rybka 2.3.2a MP(deep) was 59€
Rybka 2.3.2a SP was 34€.
Difference between Deep and single was 24€

Now i see that:
Aquarium with Deep Rybka 3 is 95€ while
Aquarium with Single Rybka 3 is 54€
Difference between Deep and single is 41€ !!!!!
Why so much big difference?

Parent - By NATIONAL12 (Gold) [gb] Date 2008-07-16 20:51
i have just ordered from THE LONDON CHESS CENTRE,deep Rybka 3 Aquarium(PC-DVD) £74.99 less £7.50 subscriber discount £69.99 for release 1/8/08
Parent - - By duncan (**) Date 2008-07-16 22:11
is it really worth while arguing over 16 euro, when you get such stunning performances. if you get 240 elo lead over the the next best software, I am worried that rybka team is getting ripped off.

remember your euros also go to fund rybka 4 at 3340 elo we hope.
Parent - By Werewolf (*****) [gb] Date 2008-07-16 22:14
yes exactly - Vas, Larry, Jerome & co have worked so hard & you're getting 1 year of first class work which has produced a program far superior to any other. I'd pay double personally.
Parent - By George Tsavdaris (****) Date 2008-07-16 22:18

>is it really worth while arguing over 16 euro, when you get such stunning performances. if you get 240 elo lead over the the next best software, I >am worried that rybka team is getting ripped off.


Actually it depends on what you want it for. If you want it for eng-eng games at normal/common time controls then yes you are right. But if you want it for eng-eng games of 1 month per move, then i don't think you will notice a 240 ELO lead. Rather a much smaller one.
Parent - - By Dadi Jonsson (Silver) [is] Date 2008-07-16 22:39
Here is a comparison of the prices for Aquarium+Rybka 3 (prices from George's post above) and what CB is charging for similar(?) software (CB prices from their website):

             Single  Deep
                EUR  EUR
Junior 10        50  100
Shredder 11      50  100
Fritz 11         50 
Hiarcs 12        50  100
Aquarium+Rybka3  54   95
Parent - - By George Tsavdaris (****) Date 2008-07-16 22:50
Actually it is:

Without VAT for Customers outside the European Union:
                       Single  Deep
Fritz GUI + Junior 10    42€    84€
Fritz GUI + Shredder 11  42€    84€
Fritz GUI + Fritz 11     42€    --
Fritz GUI + Hiarcs 12    42€    84€
Aquarium + Rybka3        54€    95€

Including VAT for Customers inside the European Union:
                       Single  Deep
Fritz GUI + Junior 10    50€   100€
Fritz GUI + Shredder 11  50€   100€
Fritz GUI + Fritz 11     50€    --
Fritz GUI + Hiarcs 12    50€   100€
Aquarium + Rybka3        54€    95€


Note that the price of Aquarium+Rybka 3 is from the http://www.ukgamesshop.com shop.
Parent - - By Banned for Life (Gold) Date 2008-07-17 00:48
And how much extra will it cost to get Rybka 3 MP without aquarium?
Parent - By BB (****) [au] Date 2008-07-17 01:35

>And how much extra will it cost to get Rybka 3 MP without aquarium?


Actually the MP version comes with multiple Aquaria (or at least a really Deep one), so getting rid of all of them will cost even more. :-P
Parent - By staylor (***) [il] Date 2008-07-17 00:28 Edited 2008-07-17 00:32
If it is still an anual event of buying a computer chess program(s?), then yes, this is far too expensive, unless you are rich.
But if it answers to your every wish, and you will not necesarily be thinking the whole time when the next one will come out which will be better, then, I would be interested to wait even 6 months (after release ) until I can afford it, and then order it, even for that price.
But there are still many things in the competition which it is not top, and I would be wanting to check positions with other machines which are within 200 elo of Rybka 3, for ideas and understanding which Rybka 3 might not have seen.

However, this high price is for London. If ordered from Rybka, it might be half that!
Parent - - By Fulcrum2000 (****) [nl] Date 2008-07-16 19:09 Edited 2008-07-16 19:12
It reads : "Capable of utilising up to 8 CPU "

Would this mean Rybka 3 mp will be limited to 8 cores???.
It would probably up my chances in Freestyle, but why the limit?
Will there be Ultra Deep Rybka version?
Parent - By Felix Kling (Gold) [de] Date 2008-07-16 19:16
This is just a wrong information I would say :)
Parent - - By Uri Blass (*****) [il] Date 2008-07-16 19:22
Why do you care?
How many customers have more than 8 cores or are going to have more than 8 cores in the next year?

My guess is less than 10 and
I think that it is a bad idea to spend special time on them.

Uri
Parent - - By Felix Kling (Gold) [de] Date 2008-07-16 19:28
Since Rybka isn't limited to 8 cores (afaik- why should that have changed?) , I think they just misunderstood the comment that Rybka is only tested on 8 cores - but this doesn't mean that it can't use 16 cores.
Parent - - By Nick (****) [gb] Date 2008-07-16 19:31
FWIW the latest Rybka that I saw still has max cores = 2048 in the UCI options.
Parent - By Fulcrum2000 (****) [nl] Date 2008-07-16 19:33
pfewwww :)
Parent - - By Dadi Jonsson (Silver) [is] Date 2008-07-16 19:31
Maybe they are just too honest in their advertising. They know that Rybka has been tested on 8 cores. They know it hasn't been tested on 16 cores, so why promise that when it hasn't been proven yet ;)
Parent - - By turbojuice1122 (Gold) [us] Date 2008-07-16 19:51
They could be more precise and say, "uses up to at least 8 cores".
Parent - - By Sesse (****) [no] Date 2008-07-16 22:25
"up to at least" isn't what I'd usually call precise. =)

/* Steinar */
Parent - By turbojuice1122 (Gold) [us] Date 2008-07-16 22:33
It's precise in the nature of its truth: people know that it can be used for up to 8 cores reliably, and possibly more.
Parent - By Fulcrum2000 (****) [nl] Date 2008-07-16 19:36
For normal use I don't care, but Freestyle is different. It's war.
Like last editions, people will just rent 8-16 core machines when available to them. I think I would play differently when I new my opponent used a 8-core at best.
Parent - - By yolin [be] Date 2008-07-16 21:13
It seems like you get a lot for your money. Apart from Rybka and Aquarium it includes a database with 4.000.000 games? That is more than chessbase Mega Database (worth 350$)? Does anyone has any info on the origin of these games?

***************
Deep Rybka 3 Aquarium is the ultimate multi-core/multiprocessor chess engine available! Capable of utilising up to 8 CPU cores simultaneously resulting in much faster analysis and playing strength depending on your hardware. For example, on Dual-Core hardware Deep Rybka 3 Aquarium runs nearly twice as fast as on a single core processor. Deep Rybka 3 Aquarium even works on single core processor systems so you can use it today in the knowledge it can grow with your new hardware to future proof your purchase decision.
# Current Computer Chess World Champion - Rybka won the 15th World Computer Chess Championship in Amsterdam with 10/11 (+9 =2 -0)
# Estimated Elo rating of 3150, that's 100 points better than Rybka 2.3!
# Leads all independent computer chess rating lists
# Fisherandom/Chess960 World Champion
# By far the most successful chess program in recent years

Utilize the full power of Rybka 3 with Aquarium. The new interface designed specifically for Rybka

# A graphical user interface (GUI) designed for Rybka
# Takes full advantage of all Rybka features
# A database with 4 000 000 games (on 07.08.2008)
# Free Internet chess server access
# On-line access to Nalimov endgame tablebases (3-6 pieces)
# Chess Resource Server: Weekly updates, exchange data
# Unprecedented analysis features: Infinite analysis, blunder check, game analysis, interactive deep analysis (IDeA)
# Handicap play (Elo-level 900-3100; material handicaps)
# Fischerandom/Chess960 support
# State of the art chess trees (fast, powerful, compact).
# Engine matches and tournaments.
# Supports hundreds of chess playing engines: UCI/WinBoard
# As well as all of this you can add engine Rybka 3 UCI to the main chess programs e.g. Fritz, ChessBase, Chess Assistant and etc.
# Deep Rybka 3 UCI includes versions for 32 Bit and 64 Bit processors.
*********
Parent - By Werewolf (*****) [gb] Date 2008-07-16 21:32
are any of the games annotated?
Parent - - By rookie (**) [us] Date 2008-07-16 22:33
Do I understand correctly that Aquarium will accept both Winboard only compatible engines and UCI engines as well? That would be very nice.
Parent - By Uly (Gold) [mx] Date 2008-07-16 22:43
Yes, it does, and directly.
Parent - - By ozziejoe (**) [au] Date 2008-07-16 21:38
i wonder if there will be download versions of of aquarium and new rybka? Or do we have to buy the disk?

best
J
Parent - - By Vempele (Silver) [fi] Date 2008-07-16 21:42
There will. Search is your friend.

I'm beginning to think we really need those FAQ threads...
Parent - - By Felix Kling (Gold) [de] Date 2008-07-16 22:51
Maybe it would also be good to have a faq for the Rybka website ready for the release.
Parent - - By M ANSARI (*****) [kw] Date 2008-07-17 00:57
At the price quoted Rybka + Aquarium would be the deal of the century!
Parent - - By Geomusic (*****) Date 2008-07-17 05:54
Yes for 1 year of work the price offered is extremely cheap. I know many people would pay twice this price to get rybka 3.0
Parent - - By Felix Kling (Gold) [de] Date 2008-07-17 10:50
Well, it should become more popular and someone who doesn't know Rybka won't want to pay more than for e.g. Fritz.
Parent - - By Geomusic (*****) Date 2008-07-17 12:40
true enough.
Parent - - By Vempele (Silver) [fi] Date 2008-07-18 08:16
Any particular reason you reposted the link?
Parent - - By Uly (Gold) [mx] Date 2008-07-18 08:36
Ha! That picture shows my point from the other thread.



Please note how the top three moves are 2.38 while the next three are 2.63. This is because Aquarium isn't capable of showing any score inbetween these values in IDeA, so the values shown are like "dummy" values. I know this proves nothing but that's what I'm talking about.
Parent - - By FirebrandX (**) [us] Date 2008-07-18 09:08
I noticed Chessbase is selling Rybka for preorder. Does that version come with everything like Aquarium? All the detail says on it is it comes with UCI engine and a million-game database.
Parent - - By Uly (Gold) [mx] Date 2008-07-18 09:25
No, Aquarium has some exclusive features :), besides the Rybka related stuff the Chessbase GUI is just what it was before. I'm afraid people would have to use Aquarium to realize what are they missing if they go Chess base.
Parent - By FirebrandX (**) [us] Date 2008-07-18 09:35
I'm just looking for 64-bit. I'll probably go with the Aquarium package, but I need to find an online store based in the States that will be selling it.
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