Poll
What type of matches do you want to see with rybka? (Closed)
| Standard chess against a human (GM) | 15 | 27% | |
| Blitz Chess against a human (GM) | 1 | 2% | |
| Blindfold chess against a human (GM) | 1 | 2% | |
| Rapid chess against a human (GM) | 1 | 2% | |
| Correspondence Chess against a human (GM) | 2 | 4% | |
| Handicap against a human (GM) | 7 | 13% | |
| Time Handicap against a human (GM) | 1 | 2% | |
| Rybka vs The World | 1 | 2% | |
| Rybka joins a "most human" tournament | 3 | 5% | |
| Rybka joins a computer-human tournament | 3 | 5% | |
| Rybka joins a computer only tournament | 4 | 7% | |
| Rybka vs Supercomputer | 7 | 13% | |
| Rybka vs team of grandmasters | 9 | 16% |
What type of games people want to see in the future with Rybka. I have listed a poll, choose what do you want to see. And please feel free to comment.
Thanks!
Thanks!
![[cr]](/mwf/v12/flags/cr.png "Costa Rica")
Hi,
We want to see a long match between Rybka and Hydra , when version 3.0 be ready at the end of this year. I know that Vas is perfectly prepared for a match like this.
Regards,
Gambitto.
We want to see a long match between Rybka and Hydra , when version 3.0 be ready at the end of this year. I know that Vas is perfectly prepared for a match like this.
Regards,
Gambitto.
By Michael Waesch ![[de]](/mwf/v12/flags/de.png "Germany")
Date 2007-04-08 20:32
But Hydra isn´t. It won´t happen.
Mike
Mike
Hydra isn´t????? Donninger wants it!
The chess world needs this challenge.
The chess world needs this challenge.
By Michael Waesch
Date 2007-04-08 21:18
Donninger wants it???
From what source is that information?
Mike
From what source is that information?
Mike
Hi,
Yes, It is very obvious that he wants it.
He is waiting the moment to prove their new Hydra against the strongest chess program in the world in a same way he did 3 years ago in Abu Dhabi, when Hydra played against Shredder.
The source is confidential, and I hope this challenge becomes public very soon.
Regards,
Gambitto.
Yes, It is very obvious that he wants it.
He is waiting the moment to prove their new Hydra against the strongest chess program in the world in a same way he did 3 years ago in Abu Dhabi, when Hydra played against Shredder.
The source is confidential, and I hope this challenge becomes public very soon.
Regards,
Gambitto.
By Michael Waesch
Date 2007-04-08 22:03
I am sorry, but this really sounds like a fairy tale. Confidential sources ... When it is confidential how comes that you know of it - and who are you? Too many questions, no answers.
Mike
Mike
It doesn't care who is me. :-) I am sure of what I said.
We should wait a little more. Donninger wants it, and the chess world really requests it.
Regards,
Gambitto.
We should wait a little more. Donninger wants it, and the chess world really requests it.
Regards,
Gambitto.
By Michael Waesch
Date 2007-04-08 22:49
Well, then you have to live with that only few will believe you.
Mike
Mike
Mike,
It won't happen unless the Hydra team wants it to. Unlike most potential matches for Rybka where it is very difficult to find a sponsor, the PAL group could sponser this match with no problem. I'm not sure about the interest level though. Neither Vas nor PAL has shown much ability in terms of promoting events.
Anyway, I think you are right that it won't happen, but only because Hydra isn't competitive.
Regards,
Alan
It won't happen unless the Hydra team wants it to. Unlike most potential matches for Rybka where it is very difficult to find a sponsor, the PAL group could sponser this match with no problem. I'm not sure about the interest level though. Neither Vas nor PAL has shown much ability in terms of promoting events.
Anyway, I think you are right that it won't happen, but only because Hydra isn't competitive.
Regards,
Alan
By Michael Waesch
Date 2007-04-09 09:47
It just reminds me of what Adams said after the his match when asked if he would be willing to play a rematch: "Well, I surely would sonsider it, but team Hydra has proven what they wanted to prove, so I don´t think I will get an invitation".
And after Deep Blue defeated Kasparov and the shareholder values of IBM went up, that was all IBM wanted and so they refused another rematch.
So the game of chess is still clean, it´s the commercial part that deeply sucks.
Mike
And after Deep Blue defeated Kasparov and the shareholder values of IBM went up, that was all IBM wanted and so they refused another rematch.
So the game of chess is still clean, it´s the commercial part that deeply sucks.
Mike
Mike,
I agree with your overall point, but I'm sure that Kasparov could have gotten a rematch if he hadn't acused IBM of cheating. Up until that point, IBM senior management was very happy with the publicity they were receiving and they really didn't care whether they won or lost (the Deep Blue team cared a lot of course). I believe this incident significantly reduced interest in sponsoring major chess events. When you think about it, savaging your sponsor is just plain stupid.
Regards,
Alan
I agree with your overall point, but I'm sure that Kasparov could have gotten a rematch if he hadn't acused IBM of cheating. Up until that point, IBM senior management was very happy with the publicity they were receiving and they really didn't care whether they won or lost (the Deep Blue team cared a lot of course). I believe this incident significantly reduced interest in sponsoring major chess events. When you think about it, savaging your sponsor is just plain stupid.
Regards,
Alan
By Michael Waesch
Date 2007-04-09 14:41
I never got deeper into that. Sure it was silly and people only thought that Kasparov was a sore looser saying: "What? The reigning champ lost, because a lesser GM might have helped the machine on one move???".
Well, one can do even worse: Let yourself mate in one and go home with 500.000 bucks...
Mike
Well, one can do even worse: Let yourself mate in one and go home with 500.000 bucks...
Mike
![[il]](/mwf/v12/flags/il.png "Israel")
You have no right to talk about "we"
It is only what you want to see.
I have no interest in a match between rybka and hydra.
I have no interest in hydra.
I see no reason to care about hydra when it is nothing that I can buy.
It may be more interesting to see a match between rybka3.0 and fruit3.0 or between rybka3.0 and another new commercial program.
Uri
It is only what you want to see.
I have no interest in a match between rybka and hydra.
I have no interest in hydra.
I see no reason to care about hydra when it is nothing that I can buy.
It may be more interesting to see a match between rybka3.0 and fruit3.0 or between rybka3.0 and another new commercial program.
Uri
![[us]](/mwf/v12/flags/us.png "United States")
Well technically, "we" could simply mean him and merely 1 other person, it doesn't have to mean everyone. So the "we" would still be correct even if you don't want to see it.
By Michael Waesch
Date 2007-04-08 22:52
There will be some interest in a match between Rybka and Hydra. At least some people want to see what the little wonder called Rybka can do to the multi-million-dollar machine. A defeat would serve Hydra a total knock-out-blow for not being able with all that expensive hardware to beat that low-resource program. Having said this, I am totally unsure whether team Hydra really wants to take such a risk like the anonymous poster from Costa Rica mentioned to be "sure" of.
Mike
Mike
Yes, maybe you and others are not interested in a great experiment like this. This always happens, but a great majority of people wants it.
The same thing happened with Deep Blue machine some years ago. It was not a program that it was sold to the public, but however in a 95% or more, an enormous majority wanted it, that it returned and play in human tournaments or against comercial programs.
As a good experiment, it would be very interesting to see if the wonderful Rybka has enough capacities to defend against Donninger bestial machine.
Regards,
Gambitto.
The same thing happened with Deep Blue machine some years ago. It was not a program that it was sold to the public, but however in a 95% or more, an enormous majority wanted it, that it returned and play in human tournaments or against comercial programs.
As a good experiment, it would be very interesting to see if the wonderful Rybka has enough capacities to defend against Donninger bestial machine.
Regards,
Gambitto.
By Michael Waesch
Date 2007-04-08 23:29
How do you come to the figure of 95%?
There will be an interest, sure, but I doubt that it will be a majority and I am sure that 95% is a huge exaggeration.
And it is being said that Hydra already got one defeat after another against Rybka in Playchess´ engine room.
Mike
There will be an interest, sure, but I doubt that it will be a majority and I am sure that 95% is a huge exaggeration.
And it is being said that Hydra already got one defeat after another against Rybka in Playchess´ engine room.
Mike
You can´t compare Fruit 3.0 (or 2.3?) with another new commercial program! If Fabien will work several month on a new version, this will be the challenger for Rybka and nobody else. I´m quite sure. But unfortunately, this most likely will not happenen. It´s a pity.
![[fi]](/mwf/v12/flags/fi.png "Finland")
>You can´t compare Fruit 3.0 (or 2.3?) with another new commercial program!
Certainly not. According to Ryan Benitez (co-programmer), it'll be free. Search the CCC for his post.
>My point about every chess engine being exciting is my way of saying please support other engines and buy your favorite commercial engines rather they are stronger than Fruit (or other free engines) or not.
Also,
>Some version of what has been Fruit should be available within the next few months if everything goes well.
Dann Corbit:
>I am pretty sure we will see new Fruit ripening and on our dinner tables.
And of course, for fans of monster hardware (again Dann Corbit):
>The SMP algorithms (if these are the ones chosen) will scale smoothly to over 1000 CPUs with very little SMP loss.
>So he could get one of those big supercomputer companies to put his program on it and the earth will shake, the sky will darken, and mothers will pull their children from the streets.
>None of the classic methods can hope to compete.
Certainly not. According to Ryan Benitez (co-programmer), it'll be free. Search the CCC for his post.
Ryan Benitez (co-programmer from what??) writes so much nonsens about soon coming new Fruit versions, that I don´t trust him anymore. Fabien have to tell.
Ryan Benitez (co-programmer from what??) writes so much nonsens about soon coming new Fruit versions, that I don´t trust him anymore. Fabien have to tell.
>(co-programmer from what??)
From the Fruit team. No one has clarified his role on the team - that's why I didn't specify. If you don't trust him and Dann (who said he's been in contact with Fabien), then how come you think have any information even remotely reliable enough to be worth sharing?
>writes so much nonsens about soon coming new Fruit versions, that I don´t trust him anymore.
Of course, the nonsense you write about Fruit is much more trustworthy, seeing as it's based purely on personal opinion (unless you just forgot to mention your sources) instead of being directly connected to the real world.
I am not sure if ryan meant that new fruit is going to be free.
The thread is the following thread:http://216.25.93.108/forum/viewtopic.php?start=0&t=12032&topic_view=flat
He wrote:
"Some version of what has been Fruit should be available within the next few months if everything goes well."
Later he wrote:
"I meant to say publicly available , as in free to the the public."
Some version of what had been fruit does not have to be commercial fruit and remember that some version of rybka(rybka1.0beta) is also free to the public.
Uri
The thread is the following thread:http://216.25.93.108/forum/viewtopic.php?start=0&t=12032&topic_view=flat
He wrote:
"Some version of what has been Fruit should be available within the next few months if everything goes well."
Later he wrote:
"I meant to say publicly available , as in free to the the public."
Some version of what had been fruit does not have to be commercial fruit and remember that some version of rybka(rybka1.0beta) is also free to the public.
Uri
![[fr]](/mwf/v12/flags/fr.png "France")
In my opinion, a Correspondence Chess match could be quite interesting, for Rybka (of course it could't beat a strong player but it would be a very good result with a draw) and instructive for correspondence chess players (on Rybka's weaknesses)...
I think that would be unfair, because the opponent of Rybka could use Rybka to analyse the position and then it wouldn't be very hard to beat her.
Or does correspondence chess mean, that you aren't allowed to use engines?
I personally prefer handycap matches, similar the one against ehlvest, but with improved conditions, like longer time control etc...
Or does correspondence chess mean, that you aren't allowed to use engines?
I personally prefer handycap matches, similar the one against ehlvest, but with improved conditions, like longer time control etc...
It is not obvious that it will not be very hard to beat rybka if you use rybka.
rybka is going to improve and if she is going to play well enough it will be impossible to improve her in correspondence games.
If rybka can plays perfect in a correspondence game then it will be impossible to get more than a draw against her.
Uri
rybka is going to improve and if she is going to play well enough it will be impossible to improve her in correspondence games.
If rybka can plays perfect in a correspondence game then it will be impossible to get more than a draw against her.
Uri
Unfair ? Of course it would be unfair :) .. That's why that's interesting for Rybka. She has nothing to lose and it would be a significant performance with a draw... "Or does correspondence chess mean, that you aren't allowed to use engines?" .. I don't believe in such a thing, unless you're in prison :)
But most important is to highlight weaknesses of the engines to improve it.
Handicap matches bring nothing IMO.
But most important is to highlight weaknesses of the engines to improve it.
Handicap matches bring nothing IMO.
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