Poll
Which is the better partner for Rybka? (Closed)
| Convekta. Just stick with it. | 28 | 46% | |
| Chessbase. Better switch now, before it gets worse | 21 | 34% | |
| Neither nor. | 12 | 20% |
By Michael Waesch ![[de]](/mwf/v12/flags/de.png "Germany")
Date 2007-04-01 07:36
People already discussed the compared strengths and weaknesses of both companies and it seems that at least a substantial minority in unhappy with the current deal with Vasik partnering with Convekta and not with Chessbase.
What do you think?
Mike
What do you think?
Mike
![[hu]](/mwf/v12/flags/hu.png "Hungary")
Bump.
Vas
Vas
Chessbase is way better than Convekta in my opinion.
I think this is entirely for Vas to decide.
By Michael Waesch
Date 2007-04-01 17:12
I just wanted the opinion of the users. Very interesting so far.
Mike
Mike
The thing I like about chessbase is that you can way how you engine thinks with Fritz 10. The GUI is just perfect, I just don't think Convekta can offer a better GUI.
By Michael Waesch
Date 2007-04-02 08:10
All in all I have to say that Rybka and Convekta seem to be a very unnatural alliance...
Consider this:
Rybka´s official opening books are in Chessbase-format and there is no official book supporting Chess Assistant! That´s weird! Opening books in the native format of the hardest competitor??? and no book for the own software???
Weird! Very weird!
Mike
Consider this:
Rybka´s official opening books are in Chessbase-format and there is no official book supporting Chess Assistant! That´s weird! Opening books in the native format of the hardest competitor??? and no book for the own software???
Weird! Very weird!
Mike
![[dk]](/mwf/v12/flags/dk.png "Denmark")
A Rybka release via Chessbase would most likely mean no UCI! So I can't recommend that path ;)
![[us]](/mwf/v12/flags/us.png "United States")
Shredder manages to keep a UCI version out while being a 'chessbase' engine. Although Stefan also sells it from his own site, I'm not quite sure how their arrangement works. I'm sure Vas could get some flexibility here, he has to have tons of leverage considering he is holding a superior product which everyone knows.
I'd prefer to see you do whatever is best for business, Vas, the number one thing your consumers need is you being able to support yourself from Rybka! and not having to head back to some random commercial job. However, it really is hard for me to believe that the best option in that regard is Convekta. www.chessbase.com is read by nearly every halfway serious chessplayer the world over, on a regular basis.
I'd prefer to see you do whatever is best for business, Vas, the number one thing your consumers need is you being able to support yourself from Rybka! and not having to head back to some random commercial job. However, it really is hard for me to believe that the best option in that regard is Convekta. www.chessbase.com is read by nearly every halfway serious chessplayer the world over, on a regular basis.
By Michael Waesch
Date 2007-04-02 17:45
Everyone knows ?
Just ask around in chessclubs for the best chess-program. The answer will be: Fritz ...
Then ask for Rybka, and you´ll get something like "Reeeb-what? No I don´t eat that ..."
Mike
Just ask around in chessclubs for the best chess-program. The answer will be: Fritz ...
Then ask for Rybka, and you´ll get something like "Reeeb-what? No I don´t eat that ..."
Mike
![[ro]](/mwf/v12/flags/ro.png "Romania")
Hi !
In most cases Rybka is used on a CB GUI .Only on this GUI can to compete
with Zap !Chess ,Fritz,Junior. The native book of Rybka is in.ctg format (native CB).Despite the hypocrisy of the envious the CB GUIs (Fritz &co.) are the best for professionals.Tell please to Mr.Kasparov,Kramnik,Karpov &co. about Arena,Chess Partner,Shredder,Scid,Chess Assisstant and others.Ha ha ha !
Of course-they remain a lot of things to improve on CB GUIs but this is another problem.
Regards,
SilvianR
In most cases Rybka is used on a CB GUI .Only on this GUI can to compete
with Zap !Chess ,Fritz,Junior. The native book of Rybka is in.ctg format (native CB).Despite the hypocrisy of the envious the CB GUIs (Fritz &co.) are the best for professionals.Tell please to Mr.Kasparov,Kramnik,Karpov &co. about Arena,Chess Partner,Shredder,Scid,Chess Assisstant and others.Ha ha ha !
Of course-they remain a lot of things to improve on CB GUIs but this is another problem.
Regards,
SilvianR
![[at]](/mwf/v12/flags/at.png "Austria")
If you switch to chessbase in the long run you will ear less money than doing your own buisness or staying with convekta.
The main product of chessbase will always be Fritz, all other engines are secound class citizens, ask Shredder, Hiarcs,.....
The main product of chessbase will always be Fritz, all other engines are secound class citizens, ask Shredder, Hiarcs,.....
Thanks for all of the comments.
Software is very much component-based these days. It goes without saying that Rybka will stay UCI and run in the Fritz interface. There are some markets which are senseless to enter - for instance, trying to write a word processor for Windows these days would be lunacy. On the other hand, a plug in for Microsoft Word - now this could work.
It's a separate question whether such 'plug ins' should be sold with Word, or separately. That's really kind of a minor detail, the sort of thing business guys will worry about :)
Vas
Software is very much component-based these days. It goes without saying that Rybka will stay UCI and run in the Fritz interface. There are some markets which are senseless to enter - for instance, trying to write a word processor for Windows these days would be lunacy. On the other hand, a plug in for Microsoft Word - now this could work.
It's a separate question whether such 'plug ins' should be sold with Word, or separately. That's really kind of a minor detail, the sort of thing business guys will worry about :)
Vas
![[gb]](/mwf/v12/flags/gb.png "United Kingdom")
Certainly the components model touted by the Debian Developer (for Linux) also applies to Chess. Whether you are a chess professional, a club player, a newbie there are aspects that appeal to all :-
- a chess GUI
- a set of analysis tools (the correspondence analysis feature is useful)
- a database to look games up (Some of the free databases are not ideal as they include all sorts of games)
- an engine room for engine vs engine matches
I wonder what happened to the plan of releasing a rybka GUI that would show "chess knowledge properly to the user".
- a chess GUI
- a set of analysis tools (the correspondence analysis feature is useful)
- a database to look games up (Some of the free databases are not ideal as they include all sorts of games)
- an engine room for engine vs engine matches
I wonder what happened to the plan of releasing a rybka GUI that would show "chess knowledge properly to the user".
Yes, I made some optimistic statements about this. The reality is that I am an engine developer. This might slightly expand in the near future to include:
1) Some opening book tools. In theory, an opening book should help the engine play the middlegame.
2) The engine reporting its knowledge via some protocol extensions.
As far as a full GUI goes, though, this is completely out of my control.
Vas
1) Some opening book tools. In theory, an opening book should help the engine play the middlegame.
2) The engine reporting its knowledge via some protocol extensions.
As far as a full GUI goes, though, this is completely out of my control.
Vas
![[nl]](/mwf/v12/flags/nl.png "Netherlands")
chessbase or Arena
By Michael Waesch
Date 2007-04-07 21:17
Arena is pretty cool, pretty fast und free. It´s a good piece of software and is still developed. Unfortunately ICC support is dropped on the newer versions rendering them totally unusable for me.
Mike
Mike
And is as buggy as ever. It seems, that the developer of Arena main priority, should be to take care of bugs before releasing a new version
ChessBase might not be a good idea for Vas. Having an engine in the .eng format means you cannot run tournaments in Arena. Its bad enough being locked into the ctg format without adding the eng format. That might also mean sharing the rybka code with ChessBase.
![[fi]](/mwf/v12/flags/fi.png "Finland")
> That might also mean sharing the rybka code with ChessBase.
How did you come to that conclusion? Anthony Cozzie implied he just gave them a dll, and I really doubt any of the other programmers would have shared their source, seeing as the .eng format is much less secret. And certainly CB engines would have improved much more if they had full access to each other's ideas.
Still, the old fact remains: Chessbase releases in their format only, and Vas, luckily, insists on a UCI-rellease!
![[ch]](/mwf/v12/flags/ch.png "Switzerland")
Since I don't own any Convekta products (yet - I'm seriously considering switching from CB9/F10) I probably shouldn't comment this... Anyway, agreed, CB has nice board layouts and piece sets but otherwise I'm not very enthusiastic about "the CB GUI":
- game annotation: I don't see an easy way how to include piece/Informator symbols in text comments - unless you consider entering stuff like "… ¦e2‚" (= "with idea rook to e2 with attack") comfortable
- opening trees: while browsing a tree I don't see either the previous moves (only at leaf nodes) nor the current position nor any kind of statistics/evaluations nor can I add text (or any kind of) comments - it's a nightmare to orientate myself in this jungle
- database: even simple queries (e.g. games played by <X>) are running so slow that I get the impression that it simply does a linear search through the whole file - do I have to create indexes of some sort ? how ??
- game server: during audio/video broadcast of big events I've seen the server crumble to the extent that playing blitz wasn't really fun anymore...
- since I've installed F10 (clean install) it's been a mess: it seems to have lost figurine font, several panes (engine) display junk characters, insertion of diagrams is now impossible (btw. try deleting a diagram without having to delete the whole variation)
Do owners of "Rybka 2.3 UCI & Chess Openings 2007" need CA9 at all ? When will CA9 be bundled witch Chess Openings 2007 (don't want to buy this twice) ?
- game annotation: I don't see an easy way how to include piece/Informator symbols in text comments - unless you consider entering stuff like "… ¦e2‚" (= "with idea rook to e2 with attack") comfortable
- opening trees: while browsing a tree I don't see either the previous moves (only at leaf nodes) nor the current position nor any kind of statistics/evaluations nor can I add text (or any kind of) comments - it's a nightmare to orientate myself in this jungle
- database: even simple queries (e.g. games played by <X>) are running so slow that I get the impression that it simply does a linear search through the whole file - do I have to create indexes of some sort ? how ??
- game server: during audio/video broadcast of big events I've seen the server crumble to the extent that playing blitz wasn't really fun anymore...
- since I've installed F10 (clean install) it's been a mess: it seems to have lost figurine font, several panes (engine) display junk characters, insertion of diagrams is now impossible (btw. try deleting a diagram without having to delete the whole variation)
Do owners of "Rybka 2.3 UCI & Chess Openings 2007" need CA9 at all ? When will CA9 be bundled witch Chess Openings 2007 (don't want to buy this twice) ?
AFAIK, the Chess Openings 2007 GUI is a subset of CA9. Some features are not available.
For details, please get in touch with Convekta. (info at chessok dot com)
Vas
For details, please get in touch with Convekta. (info at chessok dot com)
Vas
I see in the posting of today 09-04-2007, your appear with the flag of Germany, not Hungary. Are you In the Chessbase Headquarters in Hamburg? :)
I will use this post and the flag affair to ask you again, please Vas why did you choose Convekta instead of Chessbase? ;)
Regards
I will use this post and the flag affair to ask you again, please Vas why did you choose Convekta instead of Chessbase? ;)
Regards
Maybe he's visiting Iweta in Dresden (European Championship)?
Yes, I'm in Dresden visiting Iweta.
Re. Chessbase & Convekta, both companies are fine. These things are complicated. I hope that answers your question :)
Vas
Re. Chessbase & Convekta, both companies are fine. These things are complicated. I hope that answers your question :)
Vas
In fact no.
I wanted more blood :)
I see she is doing fine, congratulations:
http://chess-results.com/Results5905.aspx?datatyp=2&art=1&style=1&lan=1
I wanted more blood :)
I see she is doing fine, congratulations:
http://chess-results.com/Results5905.aspx?datatyp=2&art=1&style=1&lan=1
![[cz]](/mwf/v12/flags/cz.png "Czech Republic")
Too many GM in Dresden.
http://www.chess-results.com/results5927.aspx?lan=1&art=0&datatyp=2
http://www.chess-results.com/results5927.aspx?lan=1&art=0&datatyp=2
It's amazing to see so much chess brainpower in one place. There were 2600 players fighting on board 100.
Vas
Vas
Hi,
I have CA 9 mega package and chessbase 9 (plus the usual Fritz interface etc) and for ease of use I much prefer Chessbase software .... CA is actually is just collecting dust .... For me I would like to be able to convert my .ctg book to be able to run on the ICC. Databases can be converted although this can take quite some time depending on hardware and the size of the database
Regards
I have CA 9 mega package and chessbase 9 (plus the usual Fritz interface etc) and for ease of use I much prefer Chessbase software .... CA is actually is just collecting dust .... For me I would like to be able to convert my .ctg book to be able to run on the ICC. Databases can be converted although this can take quite some time depending on hardware and the size of the database
Regards
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