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Parent - - By Antares (****) [de] Date 2018-02-16 00:42 Edited 2018-02-16 00:46
Ich hatte vor 12. Nxd7 zwei Partien zur Verfügung:

aus 2012 Stephan - de Oliveira 1-0, welches ich zur damaligen Analyse kannte und mir 13. e4 damals noch durchaus als Alternative zum gewählten Text-Zug erschien, und

aus 2014 Emelyanov - Pessoa 1/2-1/2, was ich gestern für Weiss wiederholt nicht nennenswert verbessern konnte, weswegen ich 13. e4 auch verworfen und meinen positionellen Ansatz hier gewählt habe.

(12. Nd3?! verstehe ich ehrlich gesagt nicht "im Spirit" dieser Stellung :-)...)

14. Qc2 *
Parent - By Kreuzfahrtschiff (***) [de] Date 2018-02-16 01:39
14.-Lb7

"Spirit" oder Langeweile?
Parent - By Ozymandias (****) [es] Date 2018-02-16 16:28
I only have one additional game before 13. e3, but way behind those two, in quality:

Naum 4.2 4cpu - Gull 2.8b 4CPU (CCRL 40/40, 2014), it also continued with e4 and ended in a draw, probably because white played 16. f4, instead of b4.
Parent - - By Antares (****) [de] Date 2018-02-18 12:43

> "Spirit" oder Langeweile?


Glaub mir, ich hätt' auch lieber die ICCF-GM Stephan-Linie hier durchgepondert und gespannt auf Deine Verbesserung über ICCF-GM de Oliveira gewartet, aber die hat mir der Nachbarsbursche schon auf seinem EiFön gezeigt... danach war ich erstmal leicht(!) deprimiert, aber so ist Fernschach in 2018 nun mal, zumal wir mit Dir ja auch einen durchaus motivierten Gegner haben, der auch bis drei Uhr Nachts noch an einer Position brät... Arbeit hast bis jetzt eh keine, die offensichtlichen Remis sortiere ja ich bereits für uns aus. :wink:

Und ja, die gewisse Komplexität scheint der Stellung schon abhanden gekommen - zumal mich hier alle anderen Alternativen schon hängen gelassen haben (Dein d-Bauer ist trotz e3 einfach zu stark)... dennoch kriege ich zumindest leicht bessere Endspiele, und stille Gewässer sind bekanntlich tief, manchmal zu gefährlich für unbegleitete Kreuzfahrtschiffe...



1. c4 Nf6 2. d4 e6 3. Nf3 b6 4. g3 Ba6 5. Nbd2 d5 6. Bg2 Be7 7. O-O O-O
8. b3 c5 9. dxc5 bxc5 10. Ne5 Qc7 11. Bb2 Nbd7 12. Nxd7 Qxd7 13. e3 Rad8
14. Qc2 Bb7 15. cxd5 * +/=

3r1rk1/pb1qbppp/4pn2/2pP4/8/1P2P1P1/PBQN1PBP/R4RK1 b - - 0 15
Parent - - By Ozymandias (****) [es] Date 2018-02-18 12:48

>stille Gewässer sind bekanntlich tief, manchmal zu gefährlich für unbegleitete Kreuzfahrtschiffe...


I think there's a poet in you.
Parent - - By Antares (****) [de] Date 2018-02-18 14:42
:smile:, these translation-software have also come a great way.
Parent - - By Ozymandias (****) [es] Date 2018-02-18 15:28
"translation-software"? I have an old-fashioned dictionary!
Parent - - By Antares (****) [de] Date 2018-02-18 15:43
Oh, so no hot German translation-girl under your office table? :twisted:
Parent - - By Ozymandias (****) [es] Date 2018-02-18 18:40
I wish. But that's on my bucket list. The German girl, I don't care much about the table.
Parent - By Antares (****) [de] Date 2018-02-25 13:17
Ozy, i have the much better position already in this game! :smile:
Parent - - By Kreuzfahrtschiff (***) [de] Date 2018-02-19 09:51
15.- Nxd5
Parent - By Antares (****) [de] Date 2018-02-21 07:13


16. Nc4 *

3r1rk1/pb1qbppp/4p3/2pn4/2N5/1P2P1P1/PBQ2PBP/R4RK1 b - - 1 16


PS: Der Artikel bzgl. der "Italienischen Angelegenheit" scheint schon voraus zum Meeresspiegel?!
Parent - By Antares (****) [de] Date 2018-02-25 02:02
Psst, jetzt kommt gleich Eishockey! :grin:
Parent - By Master Om (Bronze) [in] Date 2018-02-10 02:13
Französisch ist solide, vor allem die Tauschvariation kann nichts tun.
Das Schlagen eines Spielers ist nicht die Öffnung selbst und behauptet, dass die Eröffnung verloren ist.
Gleiches für KID. KID spielt damit, dass sie keine Pastenbewegungen kopieren wollen, nachdem sie Tiefe 50 gesehen haben. Sie haben keine KID-Positionen. Es gibt Diff, einen Spieler zu schlagen und beim Öffnen zu widerlegen.
Parent - By Master Om (Bronze) [in] Date 2018-02-10 02:05
einen Spieler zu schlagen, widerlegt nicht eine Eröffnung lol.
Französisch ist fester als Ihre gefälschten Ansprüche.
Parent - - By Antares (****) [de] Date 2018-02-10 09:21
Silva hat auch zwei Franzosen bei der ICCF-Weltmeisterschaft verloren:

https://www.iccf.com/game?id=794148
https://www.iccf.com/game?id=794138
Parent - - By Kreuzfahrtschiff (***) [de] Date 2018-02-10 11:26
allerdings glaube ich, dass nicht 4.e5 sondern 4.Lg5 gegen 3.-Sf6 besser ist
Parent - By Antares (****) [de] Date 2018-02-10 12:14
Ja, sehe ich auch so.
Parent - - By Master Om (Bronze) [in] Date 2018-02-09 21:01
Jemand zu unterschätzen, zeigt dich mit einem falschen Ego gefüllt. Darum rennst du ohne Rematch weg. Zeigt deine Klasse an.
Parent - - By Antares (****) [de] Date 2018-02-09 21:47 Upvotes 1
Heul hier nicht länger rum, schau nen schönes Filmchen und alles wird chillig! :twisted:
Parent - - By Master Om (Bronze) [in] Date 2018-02-10 02:06
Das Haus entzündet sich nicht mit heißem Wasser.
Parent - - By Antares (****) [de] Date 2018-02-10 08:39
:smile: Reads interesting.
Parent - By Master Om (Bronze) [in] Date 2018-02-10 12:17
Famous Indian folk saying.
Parent - - By Hamster (**) [ch] Date 2017-09-20 17:31
You mean as in this game?


1. d4 Nf6 2. c4 e6 3. Nf3 b6 4. g3 Ba6 5. b3 Bb4+ 6. Bd2 Be7 7. Nc3 O-O 8. Bg2
c6 9. e4 d5 10. exd5 exd5 11. O-O Re8 12. Re1 dxc4 13. bxc4 Bxc4 14. Ne5 Qxd4
15. Bg5 Qxc3 16. Rc1 Qa5 17. Rxc4 h6 18. Bd2 Qxa2 19. Rc2 Qa3 20. Nxc6 Nxc6 etc
Parent - By Kreuzfahrtschiff (***) [de] Date 2017-09-21 00:20 Edited 2017-09-21 00:24
thats queens indian, and my opp made the mistake 10. - exd5?

cxd5 is equal
Parent - - By Hamster (**) [ch] Date 2017-09-20 19:46
... or this variation with g3?

1. d4 Nf6 2. c4 g6 3. Nc3 Bg7 4. e4 d6 5. Nf3 O-O 6. h3 e5 7. d5 Nh5 8. g3 *
Parent - By Master Om (Bronze) Date 2017-09-21 02:40
This is makogonov. This is tricky. This is least explored. Karpov used to play that line. Black has to play precisely.
Parent - By Master Om (Bronze) Date 2017-09-23 17:04
Naaaaaaaaaaaaaa

[Event "Interzonal TT/9"]
[Site "ICCF"]
[Date "2017.03.10"]
[Round "?"]
[White "Santos, Marcos Antonio dos"]
[Black "Prakash, Om"]
[Result "1/2-1/2"]
[BlackElo "2378"]
[BlackTeam "Africa Asia A"]
[Board "2"]
[ECO "E62"]
[WhiteElo "2433"]
[WhiteTeam "Latin America C"]

1.d4 Nf6 2.c4 g6 3.Nc3 Bg7 4.Nf3 d6 5.g3 O-O 6.Bg2 c6 7.O-O Qa5 8.e4 Nbd7 9.h3 e5 10.Re1 exd4 11.Nxd4 Ne5 12.Bf1 Qb6 13.Be3 c5 14.Nc2 Qxb2 15.Na4 Nf3+ 16.Kh1 Qe5 17.Qxf3 Qxe4 18.Qxe4 Nxe4 19.Rad1 Bd7 20.Nxc5 Nxc5 21.Rxd6 Rfc8 22.Bxc5 Ba4 23.Be3 Bxc2 24.Bg2 Rxc4 25.Rd7 Bc3 26.Re2 Bf5 27.Rxb7 Be6 28.Rxf7 Kxf7 29.Bxa8 a5 30.Kg2 1/2-1/2

Parent - - By Venator (Silver) [nl] Date 2017-09-24 07:05
Engines do not understand the Fianchetto lines very well. IMO they are quite useless in these g3 lines.

Nevertheless, I think black has no problems, if he understands what he is doing.
Parent - - By Master Om (Bronze) Date 2017-09-24 13:49
Exactly Sir, Play c6 and block all the battery :twisted:
Parent - - By Venator (Silver) [nl] Date 2017-09-24 15:14 Upvotes 1
I just released my six King's Indian testsets over here, maybe they are of interest to you:

http://rybkaforum.net/cgi-bin/rybkaforum/topic_show.pl?tid=32292
Parent - - By Master Om (Bronze) Date 2017-09-24 15:57
Jeroen Sir, I did ask u about that and downloaded that.
Thanks for this effort sir.
Parent - - By Venator (Silver) [nl] Date 2017-09-24 16:10
You're welcome! And please keep on playing the King's Indian :-).
Parent - By Master Om (Bronze) Date 2017-09-24 17:22
Sir, Keep Playing and Keep losing :yell::yell::yell::yell::yell:
Parent - By Master Om (Bronze) Date 2017-09-24 17:35
Sir, My First game in ICCF was kings indian and thats how I fell in love with opening.
[Event "S-Open/5-pr39"]
[Site "ICCF"]
[Date "2012.06.01"]
[Round "?"]
[White "Zielasko, Andreas"]
[Black "Prakash, Om"]
[Result "1/2-1/2"]
[ECO "E97"]
[WhiteElo "2135"]

1.d4 Nf6 2.c4 g6 3.Nf3 Bg7 4.Nc3 d6 5.e4 O-O 6.Be2 e5 7.O-O Nc6 8.d5 Ne7 9.Nd2 Ne8 10.b4 f5 11.c5 Nf6 12.f3 f4 13.Nc4 g5 14.a4 Ng6 15.Nb5 a6 16.Nc3 h5 17.Ba3 g4 18.cxd6 cxd6 19.b5 Ne8 20.Qd2 Nh4 21.a5 gxf3 22.Bxf3 Nxf3+ 23.Rxf3 Bg4 24.Rf2 h4 25.h3 Bh5 26.bxa6 Rxa6 27.Rc1 Bh6 28.Nb1 Rf6 29.Rc3 Qd7 30.Qe1 Rg6 31.Nbd2 Rg3 32.Nf1 Rxc3 33.Qxc3 Bg6 34.Nfd2 Bf8 35.Rf1 Qg7 36.Nb6 Nf6 37.Re1 Bh7 38.Qc8 Rxa5 39.Nbc4 f3 40.Nxf3 Rxa3 41.Nxa3 Bxe4 42.Rf1 Bxd5 43.Nc2 Nh5 44.Ne3 Nf4 45.Nxh4 Be6 46.Qe8 Bxh3 47.Kh2 Bd7 48.Qa8 Qh6 49.g3 Qe6 50.Nhf5 Qb3 51.Nh6+ Kg7 52.Nhg4 Bxg4 53.Nxg4 Qc2+ 54.Nf2 Qh7+ 55.Kg1 Qg6 56.Qxb7+ Kh8 57.Qf3 d5 58.Qg4 Bc5 59.Qxg6 Nxg6 60.Kg2 1/2-1/2

Parent - - By Dragon Mist (****) [hr] Date 2017-09-29 16:30

> Exactly Sir, Play c6 and block all the battery <img title="twisted" class="fsm fsm_twisted" alt=":twisted:" src="/mwf/v12/epx.png" />


https://www.iccf.com/game?id=786390
Parent - By Hamster (**) [ch] Date 2017-09-29 18:04 Edited 2017-09-29 18:07
Veeeery nice win!

Guess he should have played 4..d5... but with hindsight it is always easy.
Parent - By Master Om (Bronze) Date 2017-09-30 15:50
The Problem is U were not playing me na.. :yell:

Black play is below par in this game. I see lots of loop holes starting with 9...Qb6. Better is Qa5
Parent - - By Venator (Silver) [nl] Date 2017-10-01 06:15
What is the OTB rating of this opponent?

I'd like to see a game between you and Master OM in this line :wink:
Parent - - By Master Om (Bronze) Date 2017-10-02 13:06
Am ready. My analysis is Already ready in this line.
Parent - - By Venator (Silver) [nl] Date 2017-10-02 18:02
Kreuzfahrtschiff is ready to play you!
Parent - - By Kreuzfahrtschiff (***) [de] Date 2017-10-02 20:27 Edited 2017-10-02 20:29
we can play in this forum
correspondence chess
http://rybkaforum.net/cgi-bin/rybkaforum/topic_show.pl?tid=32307
Parent - By Master Om (Bronze) Date 2017-10-02 21:06
No problem. U set the position.
Parent - - By Kreuzfahrtschiff (***) [de] Date 2018-02-08 14:16
and it was ready to lose after 16 moves?
sure u dont know much about KID
Parent - - By Master Om (Bronze) [id] Date 2018-02-08 14:45
First u r assuming am lost at 16 moves not me.
Second my computer broke down during the match and i could not analyse deeply though its not an excuse.
Third is the game is not over.
I have played most black games as KID. So i know what I know. Having a big hardware is a advantage for them for them who go deep.
You are cherry picking again and afraid of trying again since u well know u cant win with proper play.
Parent - - By Kreuzfahrtschiff (***) [de] Date 2018-02-08 15:50
if u knew me, u would know i am not afraid of anything
look at my recent OTB games, i am a hardcore player who never offers draw and sacrifice a lot without hesitation

and surely i am not afraid, because i ask for a better opp (much better) to defend KID, because u broke down to easy
Parent - - By Master Om (Bronze) [in] Date 2018-02-08 15:54

>if u knew me, u would know i am not afraid of anything


I know u r good. thats enough. I know myself. hence I know how i play. Am not bad either.

>look at my recent OTB games, i am a hardcore play who never offers draw


Neither do i. That game is not over yet. So continue to mate me or i have not lost.

>and surely i am not afraid, because i ask for a better opp (much better) to defend KID, because u broke down to easy.


U r again underestimating me. I didnt broke down. My pc did and i didnot have a big hardware like u. I was absent for long time for that only. No issue now.
If u r not i challenge u for a rematch. Same Fianchetto variation if u want.
Parent - - By Kreuzfahrtschiff (***) [de] Date 2018-02-08 15:59
and then if u lose again u would tell (as here) it doesnt matter to u if u lose or win

why should i even play if u always excuse urself before getting to the critical variations

i want to know whats the best way. not play on and on with an amateur
Parent - By Master Om (Bronze) [in] Date 2018-02-08 16:02

>and then if u lose again u would tell (as here) it doesnt matter to u if u lose or win.


U dont understand sportsman spirit. No one wants to lose but some things u  need to accept.

>why should i even play if u always excuse urself before getting to the critical variations.


Because one game doesnot prove your point. Also I didnt excuse told the fact what actually happened.

>i want to know whats the best way. not play on and on with an amateur.


Again an assumption. I have been national champion AICCF have 2 IM Norms at ICCF. Not an amateur. Dont assume on the basis of your hardware only.
As i said. U wont win next games. I didnt even played a main line with u. Dont know what u think.
Parent - By Master Om (Bronze) [in] Date 2018-02-08 16:03

>i want to know whats the best way.


Thats what i said learning which u r also doing.
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