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Parent - By Master Om (Bronze) Date 2017-09-30 15:50
The Problem is U were not playing me na.. :yell:

Black play is below par in this game. I see lots of loop holes starting with 9...Qb6. Better is Qa5
Parent - - By Venator (Silver) [nl] Date 2017-10-01 06:15
What is the OTB rating of this opponent?

I'd like to see a game between you and Master OM in this line :wink:
Parent - - By Master Om (Bronze) Date 2017-10-02 13:06
Am ready. My analysis is Already ready in this line.
Parent - - By Venator (Silver) [nl] Date 2017-10-02 18:02
Kreuzfahrtschiff is ready to play you!
Parent - - By Kreuzfahrtschiff (***) [de] Date 2017-10-02 20:27 Edited 2017-10-02 20:29
we can play in this forum
correspondence chess
http://rybkaforum.net/cgi-bin/rybkaforum/topic_show.pl?tid=32307
Parent - By Master Om (Bronze) Date 2017-10-02 21:06
No problem. U set the position.
Parent - - By Kreuzfahrtschiff (***) [de] Date 2018-02-08 14:16
and it was ready to lose after 16 moves?
sure u dont know much about KID
Parent - - By Master Om (Bronze) [id] Date 2018-02-08 14:45
First u r assuming am lost at 16 moves not me.
Second my computer broke down during the match and i could not analyse deeply though its not an excuse.
Third is the game is not over.
I have played most black games as KID. So i know what I know. Having a big hardware is a advantage for them for them who go deep.
You are cherry picking again and afraid of trying again since u well know u cant win with proper play.
Parent - - By Kreuzfahrtschiff (***) [de] Date 2018-02-08 15:50
if u knew me, u would know i am not afraid of anything
look at my recent OTB games, i am a hardcore player who never offers draw and sacrifice a lot without hesitation

and surely i am not afraid, because i ask for a better opp (much better) to defend KID, because u broke down to easy
Parent - - By Master Om (Bronze) [in] Date 2018-02-08 15:54

>if u knew me, u would know i am not afraid of anything


I know u r good. thats enough. I know myself. hence I know how i play. Am not bad either.

>look at my recent OTB games, i am a hardcore play who never offers draw


Neither do i. That game is not over yet. So continue to mate me or i have not lost.

>and surely i am not afraid, because i ask for a better opp (much better) to defend KID, because u broke down to easy.


U r again underestimating me. I didnt broke down. My pc did and i didnot have a big hardware like u. I was absent for long time for that only. No issue now.
If u r not i challenge u for a rematch. Same Fianchetto variation if u want.
Parent - - By Kreuzfahrtschiff (***) [de] Date 2018-02-08 15:59
and then if u lose again u would tell (as here) it doesnt matter to u if u lose or win

why should i even play if u always excuse urself before getting to the critical variations

i want to know whats the best way. not play on and on with an amateur
Parent - By Master Om (Bronze) [in] Date 2018-02-08 16:02

>and then if u lose again u would tell (as here) it doesnt matter to u if u lose or win.


U dont understand sportsman spirit. No one wants to lose but some things u  need to accept.

>why should i even play if u always excuse urself before getting to the critical variations.


Because one game doesnot prove your point. Also I didnt excuse told the fact what actually happened.

>i want to know whats the best way. not play on and on with an amateur.


Again an assumption. I have been national champion AICCF have 2 IM Norms at ICCF. Not an amateur. Dont assume on the basis of your hardware only.
As i said. U wont win next games. I didnt even played a main line with u. Dont know what u think.
Parent - By Master Om (Bronze) [in] Date 2018-02-08 16:03

>i want to know whats the best way.


Thats what i said learning which u r also doing.
Parent - - By Dragon Mist (****) [hr] Date 2017-09-26 22:10

> g3 variation is pretty ugly for black


IMHO as long as black sets up c6 and d5 pawns, he's ok.
Parent - By Kreuzfahrtschiff (***) [de] Date 2017-09-27 09:02
thats true, but i meant d6 variations
grünfeld is draw
Parent - - By Venator (Silver) [nl] Date 2017-09-28 17:26
Nothing wrong with d6 setups either, as long as you don't believe too much what engines tell you :wink:

Nevertheless, c6 & d5 is of course easier. Also chosen by Kasparov in his matches with Karpov.
Parent - - By Kreuzfahrtschiff (***) [de] Date 2017-09-28 19:25
i believe them and i win long corr games as well :)
Parent - - By Venator (Silver) [nl] Date 2017-09-29 04:07 Upvotes 1
That is because your opponents also believe them and play suboptimal :-).
Parent - - By Kreuzfahrtschiff (***) [de] Date 2017-09-29 09:39
everybody plays suboptimal, but its harder with a disadvantage to hold  :)
Parent - - By Venator (Silver) [nl] Date 2017-09-29 14:46 Upvotes 1
In the King's Indian the top engines 'believe' white is better by +0.50 or more in many lines. They are wrong :-).

I have done a few weeks of testing with Stockfish & Kotronias on the King's Indian volume 1 (Fianchetto lines). Kotronias warns 'don't believe the engines' in many places and I found out he is correct.

In the g3 King's Indian it is crucial what to do with the knight on d7. In some lines it is best placed on c5, in others on e5. But there are also lines in which it is best to keep it on d7 and go for a setup with a6, Rb8 and b5. Stockfish has no clue about this and puts the Nd7 on the wrong square on many occasions.

Hence I firmly believe that Kotronias (or another strong King's Indian expert) will have no trouble in drawing this line as black in a correspondence game.
Parent - - By Kreuzfahrtschiff (***) [de] Date 2017-09-29 16:26
i would bet on me if he wants to try, he is only human

[Event "FICGS__CHESS__WCH_QUARTER_FINAL_4__000018"]
[Site "FICGS"]
[Date "2017.07.01"]
[Round "7"]
[White "Kruse,Herbert"]
[Black "Domanov,Dmitry"]
[Result "*"]
[WhiteElo "2435"]
[BlackElo "2307"]

1.Nf3 Nf6 2.g3 g6 3.Bg2 Bg7 4.O-O O-O 5.d4 d6 6.c4 Nbd7 7.Nc3 e5 8.e4 c6 9.Qc2 Qe7 10.b3 Re8 11.d5 cxd5 12.cxd5 b6 13.Bg5 a5 14.Rfc1 h6 15.Be3 Ng4 16.Bd2 Nc5 17.h3 Nf6 18.Be3 Ba6 19.Ne1 Rec8 20.Qd1 Qe8 21.a3 b5 22.b4 axb4 23.axb4 Na4 24.Nxa4 Rxc1 25.Bxc1 Bc8 26.Nc2 bxa4 27.Na3 Bd7 28.Be3 Rb8 29.Rb1 h5 30.Qd2 *

Game 91791     Previous movePrevious move  move  End of gameEnd of game    Javascript viewer     (chess)      Vote for the best game !

[Event "FICGS__CHESS__WCH_QUARTER_FINAL_4__000016"]
[Site "FICGS"]
[Date "2016.03.02"]
[Round "7"]
[White "Kruse,Herbert"]
[Black "Broniek,Mariusz Maciej"]
[Result "1-0"]
[WhiteElo "2434"]
[BlackElo "2338"]

1.Nf3 Nf6 2.g3 g6 3.Bg2 Bg7 4.O-O O-O 5.d4 d6 6.c4 Nbd7 7.Nc3 e5 8.e4 exd4 9.Nxd4 Re8 10.Qc2 a6 11.Rd1 Rb8 12.h3 Qe7 13.Bf4 Qf8 14.Nd5 c6 15.Nxf6+ Bxf6 16.c5 Be5 17.Bxe5 dxe5 18.Nb3 Qe7 19.Rd6 Nf8 20.Qc3 f6 21.f4 exf4 22.gxf4 Be6 23.Rad1 Red8 24.a3 Bf7 25.Na5 Rxd6 26.cxd6 Qe8 27.b4 Be6 28.Nb3 Bxb3 29.Qxb3+ Qe6 30.Qg3 Rd8 31.e5 Nd7 32.Re1 Re8 33.Bf3 Qb3 34.Kg2 Qc2+ 35.Re2 Qc4 36.h4 Nf8 37.Re4 Qd3 38.Re3 Qd4 39.Bg4 Kf7 40.Rd3 Qe4+ 41.Kh2 h5 42.Bd1 fxe5 43.fxe5 Qxe5 44.Qxe5 Rxe5 45.d7 Nxd7 46.Rxd7+ Kf6 47.Rxb7 Re1 48.Rd7 Re4 49.Rd6+ Ke5 50.Rxg6 Rxh4+ 51.Kg2 Rc4 52.Rg5+ Kd4 53.Rxh5 Rc3 54.Ra5 c5 55.bxc5 Rxc5 56.Rxc5 Kxc5 57.Kf3 Kd4 58.Kf4 a5 59.a4 Kd5 60.Kf5 Kd6 61.Ke4 Kc5 62.Ke5 Kc4 63.Kd6 Kd4 64.Kc6 Kc4 65.Kb6 Kb4 66.Ka6 1-0

Game 91787     Previous movePrevious move  move  End of gameEnd of game    Javascript viewer     (chess)      Vote for the best game !

[Event "FICGS__CHESS__WCH_QUARTER_FINAL_4__000016"]
[Site "FICGS"]
[Date "2016.03.02"]
[Round "3"]
[White "Kruse,Herbert"]
[Black "Broniek,Mariusz Maciej"]
[Result "1-0"]
[WhiteElo "2434"]
[BlackElo "2338"]

1.Nf3 Nf6 2.g3 g6 3.Bg2 Bg7 4.O-O O-O 5.d4 d6 6.c4 Nbd7 7.Nc3 e5 8.e4 exd4 9.Nxd4 Re8 10.Qc2 a6 11.Rd1 Rb8 12.h3 Qe7 13.Bf4 Qf8 14.Nd5 c6 15.Nxf6+ Bxf6 16.c5 Be5 17.Bxe5 dxe5 18.Nb3 Qe7 19.Rd6 Nf8 20.Qc3 f6 21.f4 exf4 22.gxf4 Be6 23.Rad1 Red8 24.Kh2 Rd7 25.Na5 Rxd6 26.cxd6 Qg7 27.Nb3 Nd7 28.a3 Qh6 29.Qg3 c5 30.Nd2 Kh8 31.e5 fxe5 32.fxe5 Rf8 33.Nf3 Qh5 34.Qg5 h6 35.Qxh5 gxh5 36.Re1 Kg7 37.Re3 b6 38.Kg3 Kf7 39.Nh4 Rg8+ 40.Kf4 Rg5 41.Bc6 a5 42.Bb5 Ke8 43.Rg3 Rxg3 44.Kxg3 Kf7 45.Nf3 Nf8 46.h4 Bd7 47.Bxd7 Nxd7 48.Kf4 Ke6 49.a4 Nb8 50.Nd2 Nc6 51.Nc4 Nb4 52.Ke4 Nc6 53.b3 b5 54.axb5 Nd4 55.b6 a4 56.Na5 a3 57.b7 Ne2 58.b8Q Nc3+ 59.Kf3 Kd5 60.d7 Kd4 61.d8Q+ Nd5 62.Qxd5+ Kc3 63.Qxc5+ Kb2 64.Qb8d6 a2 65.Qd2+ 1-0

Game 83259     Previous movePrevious move  move  End of gameEnd of game    Javascript viewer     (chess)      Vote for the best game !

[Event "FICGS__CHESS__WCH_SEMI_FINAL_2__000013"]
[Site "FICGS"]
[Date "2014.11.01"]
[Round "2"]
[White "Kruse,Herbert"]
[Black "Ohlin,Jan"]
[Result "1/2-1/2"]
[WhiteElo "2383"]
[BlackElo "2472"]

1.Nf3 Nf6 2.g3 g6 3.Bg2 Bg7 4.O-O O-O 5.d4 d6 6.c4 Nbd7 7.Nc3 e5 8.e4 exd4 9.Nxd4 Re8 10.Qc2 a6 11.Rd1 Rb8 12.h3 Qe7 13.Bf4 Qf8 14.Nd5 c6 15.Nc7 Re5 16.Nf3 Qe7 17.Nxe5 Nxe5 18.c5 Qxc7 19.cxd6 Qa5 20.b4 Qb5 21.Rac1 Nfd7 22.Be3 Qxb4 23.f4 Qa3 24.Qb3 Qxb3 25.axb3 Nf8 26.fxe5 Be6 27.b4 Nd7 28.Bf4 h5 29.Bf1 Bxe5 30.Rd2 Kg7 31.Kf2 Rh8 32.h4 Bf6 33.Be2 Re8 34.Kg2 Kg8 35.Bf3 Bg7 36.Bg5 Ra8 37.Rb1 Kf8 38.Bd1 Ke8 39.Bb3 Bxb3 40.Rxb3 Be5 41.Bf4 f6 42.Kf3 Kf7 43.g4 hxg4+ 44.Kxg4 Ke6 45.Rd1 Rh8 46.Bxe5 Nxe5+ 47.Kg3 Nd7 48.Rb2 Rh5 49.Rf2 Rb5 50.Rg2 Kf7 51.Rdg1 Rh5 52.Kf2 Ne5 53.Rh2 Ke6 54.Rd1 Rh8 55.Kg3 Nd7 56.Rd4 Ne5 57.Rhd2 Nd7 58.Rh2 Rh5 1/2-1/2
Parent - - By Venator (Silver) [nl] Date 2017-10-01 06:17
What is the OTB rating of these opponents?

Of course I meant Kotronias + strong hardware + engine(s). If he isn't allowed to use engines, it isn't an even match.

Would be interesting to see a game between you and Master Om in this line :wink:. Kotronias won't be available.
Parent - - By Kreuzfahrtschiff (***) [de] Date 2017-10-01 08:01 Edited 2017-10-01 08:29
Ohlin is a swedish GM, in ICCF i found IM Broniek, Mariusz Maciej (2439)
Domanov has 2141 ELO as i saw

i just finished ficgs championsship with Riccio 6:6, he is a GM too

i would play against any good opp the kid with white, just set it up
Parent - - By darmar (**) [rs] Date 2017-10-01 08:38 Edited 2017-10-01 08:52
Please link your games vs Eros

No need I have found it
http://www.ficgs.com/tournament_FICGS__CHESS__WORLD_CHAMPIONSHIP__000014.html
Parent - By Kreuzfahrtschiff (***) [de] Date 2017-10-01 11:23
yes, and we didnt play Kings Indian  :wink:
Parent - - By Venator (Silver) [nl] Date 2017-10-02 15:10
i would play against any good opp the kid with white, just set it up

I believe Master Om wants to accept such a challenge, would be nice to see you both in a KID Fianchetto discussion!
Parent - By Kreuzfahrtschiff (***) [de] Date 2017-10-02 17:39
ok, i am ready
Parent - - By Kreuzfahrtschiff (***) [de] Date 2017-11-25 23:59
yes, and his position is totally lost at move 20 already  :)
Parent - - By Master Om (Bronze) [in] Date 2017-11-27 16:50
Not at all. The game is on. IN KID showing inflated evals is common.
Parent - - By Kreuzfahrtschiff (***) [de] Date 2017-11-27 16:53
this position is easy, not like KID common positions, so 95% won at least
Parent - - By Master Om (Bronze) [in] Date 2017-11-27 16:56
I don't know your observations. But I dont think so its won 95% of the time. May the proper line of equality is yet to be found.
I have found one promising line. Trying to elongate it.
Parent - - By Kreuzfahrtschiff (***) [de] Date 2017-12-05 15:36
98% win now  :)

KID is lost
Parent - - By Master Om (Bronze) [in] Date 2017-12-08 16:34
98% win now  :)

Statistical Noise

KID is lost

No. Only a player loses. KID is formidable opening to play.
Parent - - By Kreuzfahrtschiff (***) [de] Date 2017-12-08 16:58
so who can stop me winning all KID games now, u tried but lost

maybe Alpha Zero can hold a draw, but i doubt it
Parent - - By Master Om (Bronze) [in] Date 2017-12-08 17:02
so who can stop me winning all KID games now, u tried but lost

Losing is part of game. And U have not won yet. And One game doesnot decide anything. I dont have a big hardware like u have. So takes time to see. Already bus in 20+ game in ICCF and 10+ game at AICCF. Hence all short of delays.
let the game finish whats going on. Then I may show u that U cant win in KID if properly played. I will definitely play this again if u dont mind.
Parent - - By Kreuzfahrtschiff (***) [de] Date 2017-12-08 17:04
i have the same amount of games running now, and i needed only short time of 5 hours maybe 2 or 3 times, the rest of the moves was quickly found

if u want another chance, i am open to it
Parent - - By Master Om (Bronze) [in] Date 2017-12-08 17:25
But I don't have a big hardware to analyse it. I do most my analysis on AMD 1090T hexa core that too not over clocked with mere 8 GB ram.

So it takes more time for me to play. Also analysis matters much. I barely have more than 2 hours to sit continuously in working days. Only sunday is what i have.
Would like to get from tips about analysis from you since I well know u r a better player than me and am in learning phase now.
Would be happy if u give some tips about your methodology.

Definitely need more than one chances to prove my gut feeling. LEt me finish this game first.
Parent - - By Kreuzfahrtschiff (***) [de] Date 2017-12-08 17:35 Edited 2017-12-08 17:40
ok, my tips:

1. run only one thread and let it make at least deep 50 halfmoves
2. the game will be decided between move 8 and 15, after that its clear, so use all your time there
3. dont let books help u, they are mostly wrong
Parent - - By Master Om (Bronze) [in] Date 2017-12-08 17:58
1. run only one thread and let it make at least deep 50 halfmoves

Infinite analysis ? If i let run the position in SPV and i get 50 half moves suppose what next to do ? Play forward ?

2. the games will decide between move 8 and 15, after that its clear, so use all your time there

Ok Sir. Will always remember that.

3. dont let books help u, they are mostly wrong

I have lost most games by using books only. Most games i lose the advantage if i follow a human GM advised book. KID is bit different. Human patzer moves sometimes becomes relevant there.
therefore i use it .
Parent - - By Kreuzfahrtschiff (***) [de] Date 2017-12-08 18:05
"Infinite analysis ? If i let run the position in SPV and i get 50 half moves suppose what next to do ? Play forward ?"

always infinite, and then look if the main variation changes a lot and if so, let it run longer (i go to deep 62 at most, then its totally clear)
if its a 0.00 score u can forget it, there must be 0.30 at least to have a winning chance

u NEVER stop the thread and move urself, because that ruins the true outcome
Parent - - By Master Om (Bronze) [in] Date 2017-12-08 18:30
always infinite, and then look if the main variation changes a lot and if so, let it run longer (i go to deep 62 at most, then its totally clear)

i dont have big hardware to get it in a small time. I will try to go to 50 plys.
So save hash feature has to be used ?

if its a 0.00 score u can forget it, there must be 0.30 at least to have a winning chance

Ok Sir...

u NEVER stop the thread and move urself, because that ruins the true outcome
Couldn't understand sir. Please elaborate.
Parent - - By Kreuzfahrtschiff (***) [de] Date 2017-12-08 18:38
use as much hash as possible

u dont stop the infinite thread and move forward urself because the results would be much worse, only if u are sure u can move forward some moves
then i go to 2 thread version and see if the difference is big or small
Parent - - By Master Om (Bronze) [in] Date 2017-12-08 18:40
use as much hash as possible

Ok Sir

u dont stop the infinite thread and move forward urself because the results would be much worse, only if u are sure u can move forward some moves

So save hash and Infinite Analysis with playing forward to see fail highs and lows and then back to root t see change in evals ?
U only use IA and not other methods ? like IDeA or Deep analysis in Fritz or monte carlo ?
Parent - - By Kreuzfahrtschiff (***) [de] Date 2017-12-08 18:53
only IA, the rest is for quick games, i like finding the truth, and thats the best way
Parent - - By Master Om (Bronze) [in] Date 2017-12-08 18:55
I think IA needs u to be infront of pc for a long time without power cut too.
U need big hardware. I have a quad only. what it would do more ?
How do u save the IA analysis ? I think IDeA is better in saving those and mini maxing also. Have u ever tried ?
Parent - - By Kreuzfahrtschiff (***) [de] Date 2017-12-08 19:02
i write it down, pc shall only compute as long as possible
Parent - - By Master Om (Bronze) [in] Date 2017-12-08 19:05
How much time do u spend for a position with the gigantic hardware you have ?

I remember Dragon Mist also answered me the same way to the same questions i asked u. He also said uses IA ONLY and nothing else.
i am still unable to figure out how u use it to play in positions where nearly 5 to 6 moves have 0.00 eval .
With a hexacore 1090 T and 8GB ram how much u find i sud spare time for analysis ?
Parent - - By Kreuzfahrtschiff (***) [de] Date 2017-12-08 19:27
sometimes a week for a move, but only to convert a small advantage in a big one

doesnt matter how much moves are 0.00 u need only 1 variation with solid positive score so infinite until u get there
Parent - By Master Om (Bronze) [in] Date 2017-12-08 19:39
sometimes a week for a move, but only to convert a small advantage in a big one

:eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek:

And your PC runs a week nonstop ? No power cut ? We have power cut every 12 hours.

doesnt matter how much moves are 0.00 u need only 1 variation with solid positive score so infinite until u get there

Very Very True.
Parent - By Master Om (Bronze) [in] Date 2017-11-27 16:54
And Yes If I lose I will be more happy than I will be when i will draw.
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