Topic Rybka Support & Discussion / Rybka Discussion / Flyingfatman - Rybusia 0-1 my short comments as I lost :(
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This is what it's like, I can tell you it's very painful. It looks better if you copy and paste it into your favourite gui. I need a beer, or two. Congrats Rybusia, shucks beaten by a girl (for free!)
[Event "Freestyle 8th Final Rd3"]
[Site "Carlin"]
[Date "2008.04.25"]
[Round "?"]
[White "Flyingfatman"]
[Black "Rybusia"]
[Result "0-1"]
[ECO "B33"]
[Annotator ",Nick"]
[PlyCount "106"]
[TimeControl "180+1"]
1. e4 c5 2. Nf3 e6 3. Nc3 Nc6 4. d4 cxd4 5. Nxd4 Nf6 6. Ndb5 d6 7. Bf4 e5 8.
Bg5 a6 9. Na3 b5 10. Nd5 Be7 11. Bxf6 Bxf6 12. c3 Ne7 13. Nxf6+ gxf6 14. Qf3 f5
15. exf5 {59} Bxf5 16. Bd3 Be6 17. O-O O-O 18. c4 $4 {
It seems that all of whites problems stemmed from this move} bxc4 19. Bxc4 d5
20. Rad1 f6 {21} 21. Nb1 (21. Nc2 {285} Qb6 22. Bb3 Kh8 23. Rfe1 {10} (23. Qe3
{16} Rab8 {4})) 21... Qb6 22. Bb3 Kh8 23. Rfe1 {4} Bg8 {32} 24. Nc3 {13} d4 {16
} 25. Bxg8 {5} Rxg8 {8} 26. Ne4 {34} Raf8 {40} 27. Qa3 {36} Nd5 {92} 28. g3 {15
} Rd8 29. Rd2 (29. Qc5 Qxc5 30. Nxc5 Rb8 31. Nd3 Kg7 32. Rc1 Nb4 33. Nxb4 Rxb4
34. b3 a5 35. f4 exf4 36. gxf4 a4 37. Kf2) 29... f5 $1 (29... Rc8 {2} 30. Qf3 {
1} Rc6 {1} 31. h4 {1}) 30. Nc5 {7} Qc6 $3 {
aww for cryin' out loud, why didn't any of my engines see that?} 31. f3 {
look at the next desperate set of tries} (31. Rxe5 {4} Nf4 {2}) (31. Nd3 e4 {14
} 32. Nc5 d3) (31. b4 Nf4 32. f3 Nh3+ 33. Kg2 Qh6 {2} 34. Qc1) (31. Rf1 {
no no no}) 31... Rde8 32. b4 (32. Rf2 Ne3 33. b4 {9} Rg6 {7}) 32... Rg6 (32...
f4 33. Ne4 (33. Qxa6 Qxa6 34. Nxa6 fxg3 35. hxg3 Rxg3+ 36. Kf2 Reg8 37. Rh1)
33... fxg3 34. hxg3 Ref8 {14}) 33. Rf2 (33. Rde2 Ne3 34. Rxe3 dxe3 35. Qxe3 f4
36. Qe4 fxg3 37. hxg3 Rxg3+ 38. Kf2 Rg6 39. Qxc6 Rxc6 40. Rh1 a5 41. a3 Kg7 42.
Ke3) (33. Qb3 {just way too ugly even for this OTB patzer}) 33... Ne3 (33... f4
34. Ne4) 34. Qc1 {5} h5 {
now my eval is deflating faster than the Zimbabwian currency} 35. Rxe3 (35. Kh1
{14} h4) 35... dxe3 36. Qxe3 f4 37. Qd3 {89} fxg3 {6} 38. hxg3 {4} Rxg3+ {2}
39. Kh2 (39. Kf1) 39... Rg6 40. Qf5 (40. Rg2 Rxg2+ 41. Kxg2 Rg8+ 42. Kf1) 40...
Qf6 41. Qxf6+ Rxf6 42. Kg2 {Can't let King get trapped on the side} (42. Re2 {
119}) 42... Rg8+ 43. Kh3 {But, I have no choice! 4} (43. Kf1 h4) 43... Kh7 44.
Nd7 (44. a4 Rf4 45. b5 axb5 46. axb5 Rb8 47. Rb2 Rxf3+ 48. Kg2 Rc3 49. Ne4 Rc4
50. Nf6+ Kh6 51. Nd7 Rb7 52. b6 e4 53. Nf6 Kg5 54. Nd5 Rc5 55. Ne3) (44. Nd3 e4
45. fxe4 Rxf2 46. Nxf2) (44. a3) 44... Rf5 45. Nc5 {6} Kh6 46. a3 h4 47. Ne4
Rf4 48. Kh2 (48. a4 Kh5 49. b5 axb5 50. axb5 Rg1 51. b6 Rb1) 48... Rd8 49. Nc5
{7} Rdf8 50. Kg2 {8} Rg8+ {33} 51. Kf1 {23} Rg3 52. Ke2 {6} h3 53. Ne4 {4} (53.
Ke3 {it's all useless but they might mouse slip? :)}) 53... Rg2 {
Ok that's enough, show some respect, it's Miller time :)} 0-1
[Event "Freestyle 8th Final Rd3"]
[Site "Carlin"]
[Date "2008.04.25"]
[Round "?"]
[White "Flyingfatman"]
[Black "Rybusia"]
[Result "0-1"]
[ECO "B33"]
[Annotator ",Nick"]
[PlyCount "106"]
[TimeControl "180+1"]
1. e4 c5 2. Nf3 e6 3. Nc3 Nc6 4. d4 cxd4 5. Nxd4 Nf6 6. Ndb5 d6 7. Bf4 e5 8.
Bg5 a6 9. Na3 b5 10. Nd5 Be7 11. Bxf6 Bxf6 12. c3 Ne7 13. Nxf6+ gxf6 14. Qf3 f5
15. exf5 {59} Bxf5 16. Bd3 Be6 17. O-O O-O 18. c4 $4 {
It seems that all of whites problems stemmed from this move} bxc4 19. Bxc4 d5
20. Rad1 f6 {21} 21. Nb1 (21. Nc2 {285} Qb6 22. Bb3 Kh8 23. Rfe1 {10} (23. Qe3
{16} Rab8 {4})) 21... Qb6 22. Bb3 Kh8 23. Rfe1 {4} Bg8 {32} 24. Nc3 {13} d4 {16
} 25. Bxg8 {5} Rxg8 {8} 26. Ne4 {34} Raf8 {40} 27. Qa3 {36} Nd5 {92} 28. g3 {15
} Rd8 29. Rd2 (29. Qc5 Qxc5 30. Nxc5 Rb8 31. Nd3 Kg7 32. Rc1 Nb4 33. Nxb4 Rxb4
34. b3 a5 35. f4 exf4 36. gxf4 a4 37. Kf2) 29... f5 $1 (29... Rc8 {2} 30. Qf3 {
1} Rc6 {1} 31. h4 {1}) 30. Nc5 {7} Qc6 $3 {
aww for cryin' out loud, why didn't any of my engines see that?} 31. f3 {
look at the next desperate set of tries} (31. Rxe5 {4} Nf4 {2}) (31. Nd3 e4 {14
} 32. Nc5 d3) (31. b4 Nf4 32. f3 Nh3+ 33. Kg2 Qh6 {2} 34. Qc1) (31. Rf1 {
no no no}) 31... Rde8 32. b4 (32. Rf2 Ne3 33. b4 {9} Rg6 {7}) 32... Rg6 (32...
f4 33. Ne4 (33. Qxa6 Qxa6 34. Nxa6 fxg3 35. hxg3 Rxg3+ 36. Kf2 Reg8 37. Rh1)
33... fxg3 34. hxg3 Ref8 {14}) 33. Rf2 (33. Rde2 Ne3 34. Rxe3 dxe3 35. Qxe3 f4
36. Qe4 fxg3 37. hxg3 Rxg3+ 38. Kf2 Rg6 39. Qxc6 Rxc6 40. Rh1 a5 41. a3 Kg7 42.
Ke3) (33. Qb3 {just way too ugly even for this OTB patzer}) 33... Ne3 (33... f4
34. Ne4) 34. Qc1 {5} h5 {
now my eval is deflating faster than the Zimbabwian currency} 35. Rxe3 (35. Kh1
{14} h4) 35... dxe3 36. Qxe3 f4 37. Qd3 {89} fxg3 {6} 38. hxg3 {4} Rxg3+ {2}
39. Kh2 (39. Kf1) 39... Rg6 40. Qf5 (40. Rg2 Rxg2+ 41. Kxg2 Rg8+ 42. Kf1) 40...
Qf6 41. Qxf6+ Rxf6 42. Kg2 {Can't let King get trapped on the side} (42. Re2 {
119}) 42... Rg8+ 43. Kh3 {But, I have no choice! 4} (43. Kf1 h4) 43... Kh7 44.
Nd7 (44. a4 Rf4 45. b5 axb5 46. axb5 Rb8 47. Rb2 Rxf3+ 48. Kg2 Rc3 49. Ne4 Rc4
50. Nf6+ Kh6 51. Nd7 Rb7 52. b6 e4 53. Nf6 Kg5 54. Nd5 Rc5 55. Ne3) (44. Nd3 e4
45. fxe4 Rxf2 46. Nxf2) (44. a3) 44... Rf5 45. Nc5 {6} Kh6 46. a3 h4 47. Ne4
Rf4 48. Kh2 (48. a4 Kh5 49. b5 axb5 50. axb5 Rg1 51. b6 Rb1) 48... Rd8 49. Nc5
{7} Rdf8 50. Kg2 {8} Rg8+ {33} 51. Kf1 {23} Rg3 52. Ke2 {6} h3 53. Ne4 {4} (53.
Ke3 {it's all useless but they might mouse slip? :)}) 53... Rg2 {
Ok that's enough, show some respect, it's Miller time :)} 0-1
I guess this game will be decisive for the top ranks, because my tips for the finals winner was: Either you or Rybusia.
Today, in rounds 1-3, Rybusia (with black too) also won against Komodo1, and Enchanter won against Snuggles. All other 12 games were drawn. 6 rounds to go.
Results & table: http://80.237.188.74/rooms/freestyle.htm
Today, in rounds 1-3, Rybusia (with black too) also won against Komodo1, and Enchanter won against Snuggles. All other 12 games were drawn. 6 rounds to go.
Results & table: http://80.237.188.74/rooms/freestyle.htm
![[kw]](/mwf/v12/flags/kw.png "Kuwait")
Good result though Nick ... I am on my laptop so I cannot check too deeply but doesn't 31. Rxe5 instead of f3 hold? Seems that the best black can do is a perpetual. It seems that at some point Nd3 and Knight is back in the game and black has to force a perpetual due to less material.
Hi Majd, hmm you might be right ... something like ..
31. Rxe5 Nf4 32. f3 Qf6 33. Ree2 Nxe2+ 34. Rxe2 Rge8 35. Rxe8+ Rxe8 36. Nd3 Re3 37. Qb3 Kg7 38. Qc4 Rxf3 39. Qc7+ Kh6 40. Qc1+ Re3 41. Nf4 Qd6 42. Ng2 f4 43. Nxf4 Kg7 44. Nh5+ Kg6 45. Nf4+ Kf7 46.Qc8 Re8 47. Qc4+ Kg7 48. b4 Re3 49. Qc8 d3 50. Qg4+ Kf8 51. Qc8+ Kf7 52. Qf5+ Ke8 53. Qc8+
?
The whole mate on g2 plan was a bit worrying to me, I should have looked at Rxe5 a little deeper I guess.
Anyway, I hope you are well sir!
31. Rxe5 Nf4 32. f3 Qf6 33. Ree2 Nxe2+ 34. Rxe2 Rge8 35. Rxe8+ Rxe8 36. Nd3 Re3 37. Qb3 Kg7 38. Qc4 Rxf3 39. Qc7+ Kh6 40. Qc1+ Re3 41. Nf4 Qd6 42. Ng2 f4 43. Nxf4 Kg7 44. Nh5+ Kg6 45. Nf4+ Kf7 46.Qc8 Re8 47. Qc4+ Kg7 48. b4 Re3 49. Qc8 d3 50. Qg4+ Kf8 51. Qc8+ Kf7 52. Qf5+ Ke8 53. Qc8+
?
The whole mate on g2 plan was a bit worrying to me, I should have looked at Rxe5 a little deeper I guess.
Anyway, I hope you are well sir!
![[hu]](/mwf/v12/flags/hu.png "Hungary")
This game was quite fun. Rybka really undervalues this attack, it required quite some human input.
I'm pretty sure that 31. Rxe5 Nf4 32. f3 Qf6 is winning for black.
Vas
I'm pretty sure that 31. Rxe5 Nf4 32. f3 Qf6 is winning for black.
Vas
![[br]](/mwf/v12/flags/br.png "Brazil")
I analyse the position for hours, but I am not sure
if after 31. Rxe5 Nf4 32. f3 Qf6 33. Ree2 Nxe2+ 34. Rxe2 f4!?
wins.
Paulo Soares
if after 31. Rxe5 Nf4 32. f3 Qf6 33. Ree2 Nxe2+ 34. Rxe2 f4!?
wins.
Paulo Soares
Ok, you can always argue what it means for a position to be winning. I think that it's strategically winning.
FWIW - black should be in no hurry to play 34. .. f4 and give white the e4 square. He can play simply 34. .. Rge8 as in Nick's line, or a bit more ambitiously with 34. .. Rd6 followed by 35. .. h5 and 36. .. h4.
Vas
FWIW - black should be in no hurry to play 34. .. f4 and give white the e4 square. He can play simply 34. .. Rge8 as in Nick's line, or a bit more ambitiously with 34. .. Rd6 followed by 35. .. h5 and 36. .. h4.
Vas
I was curious to know what your move in this position, so I thought
34 .... f4 would be more likely, regardless of giving to white
e4 square.
I think the computers have changed certain concepts in chess and
other activities. Some moves that before seemed to be strategically
bad, today are played if examined in greater depth with the help of
programs.
One thing is sure, a person with more knowledge, are more likely
to take advantage of the programs in any activity. You have more knowledge
about chess than I do, which means that the probality that you're right
is much bigger than me, because I am a weak player, my single advantage is
the patience to analyze positions for hours.
Thank you for the answer.
Paulo Soares
34 .... f4 would be more likely, regardless of giving to white
e4 square.
I think the computers have changed certain concepts in chess and
other activities. Some moves that before seemed to be strategically
bad, today are played if examined in greater depth with the help of
programs.
One thing is sure, a person with more knowledge, are more likely
to take advantage of the programs in any activity. You have more knowledge
about chess than I do, which means that the probality that you're right
is much bigger than me, because I am a weak player, my single advantage is
the patience to analyze positions for hours.
Thank you for the answer.
Paulo Soares
Sure, you're welcome. Black will play very slowly after winning the rook, as the attack is not that strong any more.
Vas
Vas
![[ru]](/mwf/v12/flags/ru.png "Russian Federation")
>Congrats Rybusia, shucks beaten by a girl (for free!)
European Individual Championship:
www.eicc2008.com
And here :
http://www.eicc2008.com/en/current_results_women.html
7 IM Rajlich Iweta 2411 POL 3,0 ½ - ½ 3,0 GM Hoang Thanh Trang 2477 HUN
She is a busy girl ...
Well in that case I guess Vas has upgraded Krasenkow :)
Looks like Vas brought in a ringer to get himself into the finals. :-)
Alan
Alan
I a not a freestyler and personally I don't see anything wrong that they are playing together in the finals (Vas and his wife).
I just spotted his wife from
http://www.chessbase.com/newsdetail.asp?newsid=4587
first picture.
I just spotted his wife from
http://www.chessbase.com/newsdetail.asp?newsid=4587
first picture.
The point is they are not playing together as she is playing in a tournament elsewhere. The rules are clear about ip addresses - unless you think Vas should be exempt while others have been kicked out?
![[us]](/mwf/v12/flags/us.png "United States")
But Vas is no longer a player in the tournament--he has joined Iweta's team.
I guess it is ok for them to work around the rules while others were prevented from playing for this reason.
Has anyone gotten thrown out of the rules for joining a different team after already losing the main tournament?
nope but on day 1 several were prevented from playing for this reason. The rule is clear it has nothing to do with joining another team but about ip addresses - and a team was not joined it was replaced as iweta is elsewhere - but the rule that is clearly broken is the ip one. I guess nothing will happen as usual Vas has been on both sides of these rule disputes and nothing ever changes.
Is there any rule that a team must remain the same in going from the prelims to the finals? If not, then the IP rule cannot be extended the way that you are saying it should be extended because there are not two different teams using the same IP: there is one team, Rybusia, using one IP. The team Rajlich does not exist anymore in this tournament.
lol - No Comment
Again Harvey, your harping on this sounds preety petty, with some jealousy evident of the Vas Rybka folks. Go find a place and pound some sand Harvey.
With respect of course :)
Wayne
With respect of course :)
Wayne
and your worship of them is blind.
With Respect,
Harvey
With Respect,
Harvey
Wrong Harvey, my respect of them is deserved.
Best Regards
Wayne
Best Regards
Wayne
![[de]](/mwf/v12/flags/de.png "Germany")
Vas is using my computers in Freestyle.
During the qualifying my comps were used for Rybusia account.
Best wishes,
Lukas
P.S. after getting your email to join Hiarcs team I just couldn't resist to offer my Mephisto Touch Screen Travel.
It's the crappiest thing I ever had. Under normal light it's very hard to recognize if a piece belongs to yourself or to the oppo, only in direct sunlight that gets better. And you can't capture pieces on G7 and the adjacent fields, as these sensors don't work properly. To compensate this, I put it on the lowest playing level where it tries to give away pieces ;) . It beeps when you try to capture your own pieces, so this can't happen ;) I doubt if it's worth the batteries that I put in.
During the qualifying my comps were used for Rybusia account.
Best wishes,
Lukas
P.S. after getting your email to join Hiarcs team I just couldn't resist to offer my Mephisto Touch Screen Travel.
It's the crappiest thing I ever had. Under normal light it's very hard to recognize if a piece belongs to yourself or to the oppo, only in direct sunlight that gets better. And you can't capture pieces on G7 and the adjacent fields, as these sensors don't work properly. To compensate this, I put it on the lowest playing level where it tries to give away pieces ;) . It beeps when you try to capture your own pieces, so this can't happen ;) I doubt if it's worth the batteries that I put in.
Yeah, nice explaining nick. Since when do you have learned to do good alibis and lies? From my point of view this game looks fouled and it is entirely a big lie, that is you intended to lose. Why would I think of that?
1.You are very close to rybka team, in fact i have a feeling your a rybka team yourself.
2.It is crystal clear that is not iweta that is playing, and i know that you know the truth so stop pretending like your talking to some fools here.
3.There are I think atleast 3 (or more) entries of accounts that is rybka team, and one of your goal is to have atleast one account guaranteed at top spot.
4.By this you give Vas 70% chance more of making it, kaufman already done his job at the first part by having another intended lose and jeroen(gamgee) not losing but drawing (obvious reason, so that the cheat wont be that obvious ie Rybusia winning all suspected rybka team accounts)
5.You made it yourself, why are you posting this kind of game with your comments when the freestyle is not yet over (usually players comment after freestyle, this is like telling your possible opponents how you play your game), weird. It looks to me that your trying to hide something, well the truth looks clear to me that this is clearly fouled and I believe this game is a lie.
1.You are very close to rybka team, in fact i have a feeling your a rybka team yourself.
2.It is crystal clear that is not iweta that is playing, and i know that you know the truth so stop pretending like your talking to some fools here.
3.There are I think atleast 3 (or more) entries of accounts that is rybka team, and one of your goal is to have atleast one account guaranteed at top spot.
4.By this you give Vas 70% chance more of making it, kaufman already done his job at the first part by having another intended lose and jeroen(gamgee) not losing but drawing (obvious reason, so that the cheat wont be that obvious ie Rybusia winning all suspected rybka team accounts)
5.You made it yourself, why are you posting this kind of game with your comments when the freestyle is not yet over (usually players comment after freestyle, this is like telling your possible opponents how you play your game), weird. It looks to me that your trying to hide something, well the truth looks clear to me that this is clearly fouled and I believe this game is a lie.
![[kr]](/mwf/v12/flags/kr.png "Korea, Republic of")
oops!! i though u don't like women winnig this tour..
u writing sound like..If nick won on this game u will write like this also
btw this is race and call freestyle...if u can whatever u do all doable....(cheatable)
u can also try next freestyle tour with alot of account entry...(IMHO..not easy to get through final round )
another thing is...everybody like title and money...:-P
i not saying nick support to Iweta..lol
u writing sound like..If nick won on this game u will write like this also
btw this is race and call freestyle...if u can whatever u do all doable....(cheatable)
u can also try next freestyle tour with alot of account entry...(IMHO..not easy to get through final round )
another thing is...everybody like title and money...:-P
i not saying nick support to Iweta..lol
> Since when do you have learned to do good alibis and lies?
Thanks.
> From my point of view this game looks fouled and it is entirely a big lie, that is you intended to lose.
You're entitled to your opinion but you are wrong.
> 1.You are very close to rybka team, in fact i have a feeling your a rybka team yourself.
No, you can read who is on the Rybka team here -> http://www.rybkachess.com/index.php?auswahl=Rybka+team
> 2.It is crystal clear that is not iweta that is playing, and i know that you know the truth so stop pretending like your talking to some fools here.
It's "you're" not your, and yes we all know that Rybusia will use the full power of her resources to try to win.
> 3.There are I think atleast 3 (or more) entries of accounts that is rybka team, and one of your goal is to have atleast one account guaranteed at top spot.
> 4.By this you give Vas 70% chance more of making it, kaufman already done his job at the first part by having another intended lose and jeroen(gamgee) not losing but drawing (obvious reason, so that the cheat wont be that obvious ie Rybusia winning all suspected rybka team accounts)
As far as I know everything is being played "above board". Believe or it not the Rybka team are honourable men and women. Do you really that think that Larry or I wanted to lose? Life is too short pal.
> 5.You made it yourself, why are you posting this kind of game with your comments when the freestyle is not yet over (usually players comment after freestyle, this is like telling your possible opponents how you play your game), weird. It looks to me that your trying to hide something, well the truth looks clear to me that this is clearly fouled and I believe this game is a lie.
I posted the game so that people could have a laugh and see how tough this kind of event is. As far as I know chess players give press conferences rigtht after games, I saw Topa do it when he played the Nxf7 sac.
I'm sorry you think the way you do, but remember life really is short (30,000 days if you are lucky) - it's not good to spend them in some kind of paranoid psychosis. Relax and have some fun. You're way out of line on this. 'Nuff said.
... Do you really that think that Larry or I wanted to lose?
No! But Larry loses much more beautiful than you :-). It was a thriller.
No! But Larry loses much more beautiful than you :-). It was a thriller.
> 1.You are very close to rybka team, in fact i have a feeling your a rybka team yourself.
>No, you can read who is on the Rybka team here -> http://www.rybkachess.com/index.php?auswahl=Rybka+team
Well why does someone else have private rybka that is not mentioned in your link. And vas said that he does not use his hardware but borrowed to some guy named lukas, who also got private rybka. FWIW, if you got a private rybka you are considered a beta tester hence part of the rybka team. And I have strong feeling too you have rybka private version as I have reviewed your games on playchess played on your 'seven of 9' account and definitely not 2.3.2a moves.
I won't anymore argue with you in other things as it is useless and you are spreading misinformation.
I won't anymore argue with you in other things as it is useless and you are spreading misinformation.
Actually, anyone, such as yourself, who is suggesting that a well-known fighter in the Freestyle finals is intentionally losing is the one spreading misinformation. Since you're guilty of that, anything you say about this has no relevance.
Actually, anyone, such as yourself, who is suggesting that a well-known fighter in the Freestyle finals is intentionally losing is the one spreading misinformation. Since you're guilty of that, anything you say about this has no relevance.
I won't anymore argue with you ...
Please, make this offer to all of us!
Please, make this offer to all of us!
Ad 4.: Do you still stick to this point now that komondo1 quit the tournament?
Hello, what engines and hardware did you use?
Rybka (QX9650) and Zappa (Q6600). Not that it helpled. I think that Rybusia is playing at Rybka+300 elo strength.
Is it really true that you have a private rybka version? And did you used it on the freestyle?
Nick,
Beaten by a girl who is playing a human tourney at the same time???Just wonder how that is possible??
Any explanations or another bunch of lies to add too....
Suj
Beaten by a girl who is playing a human tourney at the same time???Just wonder how that is possible??
Any explanations or another bunch of lies to add too....
Suj
What is the matter with you guys ??? ... I have played with Nick in the last Freestyle and I can assure you that he would rather pull all his teeth out than lose a game. You guys would be surprised that the people involved are actually very honorable. With regards to the Rybka team ... Vas is friends with a lot of people on this forum and I am sure everyone here somehow considers himself part of the "Rybka team" ... no conspiracy there period! With regards to Iweta playing with someone else's help ... yeah !!! You can bet your ass Vas is helping her, otherwise he would be contemplating sigining divorce papers with his lawyer. Isn't that the point of freestyle ??? The nature of Freestyle is that eventually the people that reach the finals will want to have other top experienced players involved with them ... I am not saying that is what is happening now ... but I know if I was in the finals I would want the top guys with the best books and the strongest rating to be invovled. So please stop the conspiracy theories and enjoy the games.
What the problem is that, almost half of the freestyle finalist are suspected to be very close to Vas. If this is true, (which is most likely to be) they virtually have control of the tournament. Which makes the average Joe(Non rybka team and with only one account) helpless anymore or have little chances in winning or even qualifying with Vas team making lots of entries. And also make this freestyle Rybka team tournament.....
Has a post, by Suj, been deleted here - if so why?
I think it contained this rule
(4) It is not allowed to play the tournament with more than one account (nick name,
handle, virtual identity etc). The tournament director is authorized to check and to trace
back the players’ IP-addresses. It is not allowed that more than one player log-in to the
server with the same IP-address. A violation of this rule will lead to an immediate
disqualification of all affected accounts.
I think it contained this rule
(4) It is not allowed to play the tournament with more than one account (nick name,
handle, virtual identity etc). The tournament director is authorized to check and to trace
back the players’ IP-addresses. It is not allowed that more than one player log-in to the
server with the same IP-address. A violation of this rule will lead to an immediate
disqualification of all affected accounts.
Grrrr where is my earlier post:(
Anyway 2 nicks from same ips aint allowed is it....
Suj
Anyway 2 nicks from same ips aint allowed is it....
Suj
It looked like flyingfatman was playing like a girl :) Perhaps the nick could be changed to flyingfatgirl?
First of all, the idea that a fierce competitor with a long-standing reputation in computer chess like Nick Carlin would "tank" for Vasik or Iweta Rajlich is preposterous and baseless, and you guys ought to be ashamed for leveling such charges.
That said, Harvey has a point. It is not strictly within the rules in this tournament for Vas to step in for Iweta using the same IP address, and just because they are married, they aren't the same player. "Flesh of my flesh, blood of my blood" doesn't apply to Freestyle. Our team, which has employed multiple nicks in the past with some success, refrained from that practice in this tournament because it was clearly not within the spirit of the new rules that had been enacted, never mind that a devious team could circumvent the letter of the rules by employing multiple IPs and swapping players behind the scenes. So I have to wonder exactly who has been behind Rybusia all along, from qualifiers to finals, just to clear the air. Certainly the rules apply to the Rajlich team as much as to anyone else.
This could be very tricky for Arno to navigate fairly.
That said, Harvey has a point. It is not strictly within the rules in this tournament for Vas to step in for Iweta using the same IP address, and just because they are married, they aren't the same player. "Flesh of my flesh, blood of my blood" doesn't apply to Freestyle. Our team, which has employed multiple nicks in the past with some success, refrained from that practice in this tournament because it was clearly not within the spirit of the new rules that had been enacted, never mind that a devious team could circumvent the letter of the rules by employing multiple IPs and swapping players behind the scenes. So I have to wonder exactly who has been behind Rybusia all along, from qualifiers to finals, just to clear the air. Certainly the rules apply to the Rajlich team as much as to anyone else.
This could be very tricky for Arno to navigate fairly.
Where did i make any charge?
It is a fact though that at least one user was stopped from entering with 2 nicks so a precident has been set.
It is a fact though that at least one user was stopped from entering with 2 nicks so a precident has been set.
I think the idea of not having the same person having multiple enteries makes sense ... but it is also clear (as was mentioned several times on Chessbase) that you can use any form of help ... including any GM ... any computer ... any person with useful skills. There was never any mention of not having a person who lost in the first stage to come in and help out to someone that has made it to the finals. Both Vas and his wife are IM's who should be able to enter as independent players. Obviously when you are married to someone ... you tend to have similar contacts ... especially if both of you are chess players and heavily involved in chess. Does a legal marriage paper negate the possibility that you can enter as seperate entities? I really see nothing there and am surprised at some for acting like there was some sort of foul play. We all knew that both Vas and his wife were entering as seperate nick's ... who knows ... maybe they were both relishing a battle against each other to settle some personal scores. The point is that they are both very actively involved in chess ... and they should both be able to enter as seperate independent enteties. If Vas's wife was someone who was not a chess player I can see a problem ... but that is definetely not the case.
She is in Bulgaria not at the Freestyle at all. The rule about IP's is quite clear. It is posted above somewhere. I am not expressing an opinion just pointing out the rules and the fact that Iweta was playing elsewhere yesterday while also in the Freestyle. It is also a fact that some people were not allowed to play on day 1 due to this IP rule.
![[fi]](/mwf/v12/flags/fi.png "Finland")
The rule is clear: whoever is playing for Iweta can't have the same IP they had in the qualifier.
I don't know all the furore about Rybusia but I seem to recall Suj/Mission Control/Utra-d either being persons in the same team or having a connection/donating hardware even while the event was on. The flyingfatman team was also composed of several people.
so the rule is clear, she is out
just like me btw
just like me btw
so the rule is clear, she is out
No, definitely not--at least, she is clearly "not out". I'll restate the rule as Harvey has just stated:
(4) It is not allowed to play the tournament with more than one account (nick name,
handle, virtual identity etc). The tournament director is authorized to check and to trace
back the players’ IP-addresses. It is not allowed that more than one player log-in to the
server with the same IP-address. A violation of this rule will lead to an immediate
disqualification of all affected accounts.
Right now, there are only ten accounts in the tournament. They are all from separate IP addresses. Anyone can join the team of one of these 10 accounts (and even be the primary user), including Vas.
No, definitely not--at least, she is clearly "not out". I'll restate the rule as Harvey has just stated:
(4) It is not allowed to play the tournament with more than one account (nick name,
handle, virtual identity etc). The tournament director is authorized to check and to trace
back the players’ IP-addresses. It is not allowed that more than one player log-in to the
server with the same IP-address. A violation of this rule will lead to an immediate
disqualification of all affected accounts.
Right now, there are only ten accounts in the tournament. They are all from separate IP addresses. Anyone can join the team of one of these 10 accounts (and even be the primary user), including Vas.
![[is]](/mwf/v12/flags/is.png "Iceland")
> They are all from separate IP addresses.
From what I have read here this seems to be correct. Those that refer to the rule ("It is not allowed that more than one player log-in to the server with the same IP-address") have not clearly stated how it was broken, so we can only guess. I can see two possibilities:
1) They are saying that in the finals the Rybusia account connected from the same IP as Rajlich did in the preliminaries or
2) Rajlich was logged on during the finals when Rybusia was also connected.
I think 2) must be what they are referring to (I'm sure someone will correct me if I'm wrong). Reading the first sentence of (4) it seems clear to me that the purpose of the IP-rule (which technically doesn't really make much sense) is to be prevent the same player from using two accounts to increase his chances of winning. If 2) is actually what happened, I don't see how that by itself increased Rybusia's chances of winning the finals.
It is also clear that whatever was seen as going against the IP-rule was known to the sysop(s) and tournament director(s) before the tournament was over. The rule says that "A violation of this rule will lead to an immediate disqualification". If they really saw someone breaking the rule (as it was meant to be applied) they should have immediately disqualified Rybusia. That wasn't done.
An interesting question is if Rajlich and Rybusia connected from the same IP in the preliminaries. If they were both playing from home that is very likely. If that was allowed, then I don't see what the problem is now.
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