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- - By jaeger1975 (**) [pe] Date 2007-03-06 22:40
Hi Friends

I have noticed that when My PC plays on Playches I use Rybka and it plays whenever possible, the Sicilian, Najdorf Variation with Be2, I use the Rybka II book. So my questio is, does it happens to every Rybka user? or it was the statistics and the own experience of my Rybka engine? I mean, is it possible tha other users prefers the Ruy Lopez, or the Queen Gambit declined, for example?

does it depends on the own experience of the Engine?

regards
Parent - - By Henrik Dinesen (***) [dk] Date 2007-03-06 23:29
If you play long enogh, have booklearn enabled, you should see something different. But the book itself is "optimized", which means you'll see many games of a like. You can change this, if you change things in Boook options. The manual/helpfile will tell you about the basics in this respect.
Parent - - By M ANSARI (*****) [kw] Date 2007-03-07 08:21
On Playchess there are the hardware folks ... these guys just leave their computers on with book learning and start off with a good book.  The longer the computer plays the better it starts to avoid losing lines and thus the harder for it to lose.  Eventually once it cleans out all the losing lines its rating will go up.  Then you have the book editing group.  These guys look at their losses and see if they can improve the losing lines and maybe even change a few drawing lines to winning lines.  They will spend a lot of time on individual moves and so actually the book move they insert in their book diminishes the hardware disadvantage since the time spent at home during analysis to create the said move is counted as zero second move.  I can assure you as a chess player that I was extremely impressed by some of the lines these book cookers have made.  I think on some critical lines even Kasparov would be very interested in them.  Once a good line is found even weak hardware with Rybka will be able to secure a win.  The thing is that the good book cookers keep some pet lines for special occasions such as Freestyle tourney.  Once a good line is found and used, it will be quickly adopted by everyone else who it works against.  And so the quest continues for perfection in chess.
Parent - - By Kraszi (*) [hu] Date 2007-03-07 12:02
Can You tell me, how can I set my book-learning -ON- while I am playing on Playchess, because I cannot find this option... :-)
Thanks!!!
Parent - - By Henrik Dinesen (***) [dk] Date 2007-03-07 12:14
Click the "Book options" button when you set up your engine, and use the slide-bar for learning. By default it's maximized.
Parent - By Kraszi (*) [hu] Date 2007-03-07 13:01
Thx Henrik, I found it! :-)
Parent - By BigBen (****) Date 2007-03-07 12:35 Edited 2007-03-07 12:49
I Must admit I fall into the second catagory which at times can indeed be very time consuming but it at least gives me input and for me is the best part of computer vs computer games ... One big positive for this method is that it helps my own OTB chess, that said some lines I have programed into the comps opening book I would never play simply because I am not good enough .... How many times does the comp give a plus or minus 2,3,4 etc and you struggle to see the win or loss but eventually you see what is going on and say "oh yeah I see it now" .... After a long time playing online comp chess (not as long as many) I have a simple way of editing my book .... I add WINS as priority analysis, DRAWS get looked at which may get altered with an alternative `book move` or later choice after analysing with the machine, LOSES get the most attention, it maybe that the opening is fine or at least seems it but the long term the winning chances are with the opponent (after a few games you start to see trends) so you have to backtrack to find moves to alter this. For me so things dont get tedious every now and again I change openings\Lines, this gives the added advantage of catching opponents off guard who have prepared there book for you and improving your whole book overall .... Because I have `MY BOOK` I never just import games from databases as you may suffer from the `crap in crap out`problem. I also work with my MAIN DATABASE in Chessbase 9 checking alternative moves played etc .... If I find a critical position but dont have time to check it I tend to set up a tournament where all games start from that position and use various engines. After plenty of games you get to see what are the best ideas etc and can start editing the book to suit. Even after all this you still always end up with a surprise move from an opponent and it is back to the drawing board once again hahahhaha

Regards

PS: Alway keep an up to date backup of the book because you can destroy years of work with one mouse click :(
Parent - - By Henrik Dinesen (***) [dk] Date 2007-03-07 12:39
I can only agree here.
Few years ago I used to play on Playchess with Junior 8 while Shredder was the top-engine. I had, and have, enferior hardware, so working hard on my book was without question the path to follow. I tweaked the stats, I found novelties, I forbid and allowed moves, I worked together with Junior and learned new things about chess along the way. Very amusing and rewarding! The server rating for my nick went up from about 2400's to 2600-2700 and stayed there till I accidently ruined the book, and found myself without a backup! All the time I working with Alterman's orginal work. But truly fun to see Junior and my edited book wipe off some heavy hardware and the stronger Shredder!

So far, my understanding for, and interest in computerchess on a server goes to where you actually contribute and learn. Putting a lot of money into hardware only to get a fat rating on a server, is beyond my understanding. Seems sometimes to be done by people who hardly recognizes the en-passant rule ;) But, it's their money, and what a waste. But then again, if those people is having fun!?

Yes, the games, and thereby the good lines gets intercepted. Impossible to hide the fruit of your labour, but that can't be avoided if you chose to play in public. This goes for server-chess as well as human tournaments. Is it bad? Yes an no, I believe :) Luckily chess so rich in possibilities.
Parent - - By Nelson Hernandez (Silver) [us] Date 2007-03-07 20:14
The "en passant rule"?  What can you possibly mean?

Nelson
Parent - By Henrik Dinesen (***) [dk] Date 2007-03-07 20:19
Got you, Nelson :-)

Henrik
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