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Parent - - By Sedat Canbaz (*****) Date 2012-06-30 06:56 Edited 2012-06-30 06:59

>I've found that if you are working with a limited budget and research wisely you can come up with a rock solid computer without spending a mint to do so.


Dear Arrière,

Agreed with you...

But here we are not talking about 5.000 USD or 10.000 USD ...
We are just discussing about the latest fast Intel desktop machine,which can be built for reasonable price (around 1.000 USD)

Sure for some people paying extra 300 USD is a lot of money...
There are also such people,who spend at once 300 USD just for a dinner in restaurant

But anyway,if i can't afford to pay extra 300 USD more,then i would wait till to this date (when i will have 300 USD more)

Best,
Sedat
Parent - - By RFK (Gold) Date 2012-06-30 14:56 Edited 2012-06-30 15:04
No! Not just  and extra $300 dollar. That's nonsense.  The board is an "extra" $242 - and I wouldn't use anything less than water cooling, because with that chip you will o/c- if you customize (which I recommend) that's an easy $350-500. If you go with bear minium $100 or more. Decent case with plenty of ventilation and fans at least $160.  Plus psu to handle potential  250watts that thing can put out. I would suggest you rethink you math. When you put is "all" together -it's not just a simple cpu upgrade.
Parent - - By Sedat Canbaz (*****) Date 2012-06-30 22:22

>No! Not just  and extra $300 dollar. That's nonsense.


Nonsense???

What are you talking about ?

Forget 1000 USD,even i built a Intel i7 6 core machine just for 600 USD and i am quite happy with that deal !!!
Parent - - By RFK (Gold) Date 2012-06-30 22:50 Edited 2012-06-30 23:00
Upgrade or new build? What board? What chip? What psu! What case? You aren't saying anything! :lol::wink: Come on! I'll go toe to toe with you on this. :smile: Hell, what did you put into it for cooling stock fan? What is a Intel Core i7-980X Extreme 6-Core? Let's have it!

P.S .

Don't go mute on me now, Sedat! :smile: This better be something impressive! :yell:
Parent - - By Sedat Canbaz (*****) Date 2012-06-30 23:05 Edited 2012-06-30 23:07

>Upgrade or new build? What board? What chip? What psu! What case?


Of course its not secret :smile: and with pleasure i can inform you how i built a 6 core machine just for 600 USD

Here are the details:
I had a old machine with processor i7 920 and only with updating (changing the processor) i've got 6 core machine :twisted:

One thing more,
I was meaning about i7 3930K is approx.300 USD more expensive than AMD FX X8 8150

Btw,a completely new fast computer can be built for very reasonable price (around 1.150 USD)
And be sure with a good overclocking,this machine will be just a monster for chess

Intel Core i7-3930K  $569
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819116492&Tpk=Intel%20Core%20i7-3930K
MSI X79MA-GD45 LGA 2011 $214
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813130623
G.SKILL Ripjaws X Series 8GB   $46
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231428
CORSAIR CWCH60 Hydro $64
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835181015
MSI R6670-MD1GD5 Radeon HD 6670 1GB $89
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814127586
Western Digital Caviar Blue WD5000AAKX 500GB $69
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822136769
COOLER MASTER HAF 912 $59
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811119233
COOLER MASTER Power Supply 500W $39.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817171031

Best,
Sedat
Parent - - By RFK (Gold) Date 2012-06-30 23:16 Edited 2012-06-30 23:21
For one thing that's $1200. :grin::lol::yell:

Not to mention that most of what you  put into that build I wouldn't touch and is minimal at best.

Om, cannot come close to that kind of budget. So, what is your point?

That isn't what you started out to say bud! That's double what you said it cost you.

>Forget 1000 USD,even i built a Intel i7 6 core machine just for 600 USD and i am quite happy with that deal !!


Do I need to tell you that you were bullshitting! eh! :grin:
Parent - - By Sedat Canbaz (*****) Date 2012-06-30 23:54 Edited 2012-07-01 00:03

>For one thing that's $1200. :grin::lol::yell:


I wrote 1150 USD...but with monitor probably will be more than 1200 USD :lol:

>That isn't what you started out to say bud! That's double what you said it cost you.


One thing more,if we don't count some hardware parts (where mostly of PC users prefer to use their old products,e.g hard disk,case,power supply,video card,cpu cooler,ram...)
Then the price will be much less...and i repeat again:
-New fast system (Intel Core i7 3930k+LGA 2011 motherboard) can be build even less than 1000 USD

>Not to mention that most of what you  put into that build I wouldn't touch and is minimal at best.


I have no doubt that you touch other BIG things:wink:
Note that as far as possible i picked those products which are around 1000 USD

>Om, cannot come close to that kind of budget. So, what is your point?


I did not know that Om's salary is too low,but anyway still i suggest to Om to buy i7 3930k
Maybe for nowadays Om's budget is not ready for a such deal
But however,i think its better to wait a little bit and to buy the best one and for reasonable price

>Do I need to tell you that you were bullshitting! eh!


Sorry ??? i did not understand what you mean exactly ?

Really i don't want to fall on your level and to spend more time with you (about the current issue)
Parent - By RFK (Gold) Date 2012-07-01 00:00

>Forget 1000 USD,even i built a Intel i7 6 core machine just for 600 USD!


I don't want to press the point, but a build is a build not just the cost of a cpu! :wink:

That was an exaggeration, if you want to put it in more refined terms. :smile:
Parent - By RFK (Gold) Date 2012-07-01 00:11 Edited 2012-07-01 00:14

> One thing more,if we don't count some hardware parts (where mostly of PC users prefer to use their old products,e.g hard disk,case,power supply,video card,cpu cooler,ram...)
> Then the price will be much less...and i repeat again:
> -New fast system (Intel Core i7 3930k+LGA 2011 motherboard) can be build even less than 1000 USD


Right! And Om, already has a lga 2011 socketed mobo and memory to boot along with a psu capable of handling this level of cpu? Where is your head at?:smile: I know, I know- you're trying real hard to pull yourself out of this argument. :grin:

p.s.

Let's not forget a decent case and not  the one you picked out! :roll::yell:
Parent - - By Master Om (Bronze) Date 2012-07-01 11:36

>Maybe for nowadays Om's budget is not ready for a such deal


True. Its the Admission time in colleges as its the start of educational year, we have delayed salary.
If I wait 2 months I can buy Easily the i7 3930K.
As Robert pointed out I need a whole system not just mobo + cpu.
My amd mobo and cpu gone for repair. If I replace those with intel, I have to sell it (which is a loss).
Better I go for new one. Will you recomend a complete set up ? from flipkart.com ? or primeabgb.com ?
Parent - - By Sedat Canbaz (*****) Date 2012-07-01 14:24

>If I wait 2 months I can buy Easily the i7 3930K.


No...It sounds good,but after all (when i think about your salary)... i've changed my mind

i7 3930K can be faster for chess,but its too expensive and keep your money for other useful things
That's why i think, your best choice will be AMD FX-8120 8 cores

Best,
Sedat
Parent - By Master Om (Bronze) Date 2012-07-01 15:21

>No...It sounds good,but after all (when i think about your salary)... i've changed my mind.


Well i had savings but I spent most of them in my wife Heart Operation last year(Angioplasty).
Now I am starting from zero. :smile:
Parent - - By Master Om (Bronze) Date 2012-07-01 11:47
Can you suggest a good mobo within 10 K range for AMD FX 8120 ?
Parent - By Sedat Canbaz (*****) Date 2012-07-01 14:04

>Can you suggest a good mobo within 10 K range for AMD FX 8120 ?


There are many motherboards with socket 938...but the below ones can be a good choice for reasonable price:

ASUS M5A97, AMD 970, DDR3, 2X PCIExp, Socket 938 AM3+, CrossFireX
http://www.amazon.com/Asus-Socket-CrossFireX-Motherboard-M5A97/dp/B0058G65UU/ref=dp_cp_ob_e_title_0

GIGABYTE GA-970A-UD3 AM3+ AMD 970 SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0
http://www.amazon.com/GIGABYTE-GA-970A-UD3-AM3-SATA-Motherboard/dp/B0055Q88EO/ref=dp_cp_ob_e_title_1

MSI 970A-G46, AMD 970, DDR3, 2X PCIExp, Socket 938 AM3+
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0073JYZ48/sr=1-1/qid=1341150708/ref=olp_product_details?ie=UTF8&me=&qid=1341150708&seller=&sr=1-1

Best,
Sedat
Parent - - By RFK (Gold) Date 2012-06-30 23:44 Edited 2012-06-30 23:47
Sedat,

I hope you understand that this is all in good fun. I'm certainly not taking any of this seriously. I feel I'd better state that as a sidebar now and make sure you're clear on that. I think the machine you built is fine for your purposes and in truth-that is all that counts. If it meets your expectations and gets you to where you need to go than it is a perfect build.
Parent - - By Barnard (Bronze) Date 2012-07-01 00:05
i can have a cheaper computer;cheaper computer that Sedat and you told

totally cost?--- 0 euros...how?having 2 good legs to run more than the security personal of the computer store :lol:
Parent - - By RFK (Gold) Date 2012-07-01 00:12
With your luck -you'd end up in the joint and it would turn out to be your turn to pick up the soap!:twisted:
Parent - - By Barnard (Bronze) Date 2012-07-01 00:16
i think,that sadly,i must agree :confused:
Parent - - By RFK (Gold) Date 2012-07-01 00:17
With those ear rings -you'd be the hit of the cell block! :wink:
Parent - - By Barnard (Bronze) Date 2012-07-01 00:25
if they catch me,i can tell im mental retarded,so maybe they will take pity of me :lol:

is just a matter to tell something like:im sorry,that is the bakery?i need that to fry some meat :lol::lol::lol:
Parent - - By RFK (Gold) Date 2012-07-01 00:37
Oh! That would be cleaver! With those ear rings they would look for a DSM IV diagnosis starting with possible substance abuse history -then look for a  Criteria for Schizophrenia. In the mean time they will put you in a POD with a admixture of  pedophiles and nutcases. With your penchant for arguing -you'll never get out!
Parent - - By Barnard (Bronze) Date 2012-07-01 00:39
if they put me with pedophiles,you can be sure i wont be out of the jail,for the rest of my life;i will kill as much of those bastard that i will be able...

i really hate that animals
Parent - - By RFK (Gold) Date 2012-07-01 00:41
You can always get a pass for the prison library and use the computer if you don't hurt anyone! Otherwise, its the hole.
Parent - - By Barnard (Bronze) Date 2012-07-01 00:42
i will try to evade the prison...so i think i must train to run faster :lol:
Parent - - By RFK (Gold) Date 2012-07-01 00:54 Edited 2012-07-01 01:08
That's what they all say and think. "I should have made a left turn while running, instead of a right turn."

Look! You get caught - get into a "Shock Incarceration" program! :wink:

Someone like myself comes along with a court order ,  gets you out and places you into a program-(after completion of ,Shock, of course). You'll be a new man, for awhile.

You'll find yourself  saying, "Yes, Sir- No, Sir and I don't know Sir", with the alternative when addressing the fair sex, "Yes Mam!

It will eventually wear off in time -it always does,  to " Hey, F**k you, bud". and you will be once again running in the wrong direction out of some computer store with a laptop under your arm.

p.s

The good news  is -the system will general-at least when I was around -will put you back into another "Shock Incarceration Program" - you get to run out of that computer store yet again and to  test your sense of judgement and theory of which is the right direction  to run in.:lol:
Parent - By Barnard (Bronze) Date 2012-07-01 23:52
too large essay for me...

but i can run fast,and if i dont run faster than the other person,i can always fight :lol:
Parent - - By Banned for Life (Gold) Date 2012-07-01 01:07 Edited 2012-07-01 07:42
having 2 good legs to run more than the security personal of the computer store

This is known as a five finger discount! :lol:
Parent - By Barnard (Bronze) Date 2012-07-01 23:49
is the best discount...if you run fast :lol:
Parent - - By Master Om (Bronze) Date 2012-06-30 11:10
I agree. Eros still uses a Quad Q6600 for analysis (last he mentioned).
Parent - - By RFK (Gold) Date 2012-06-30 21:45
Look!  Buy what you can afford,  and in doing so buy the best in that price range, gleaning what helpful comments bring you closer to your goal ,  ignoring tangential arguements that lead you to the contrary.
Parent - By Master Om (Bronze) Date 2012-07-01 04:36
Thanks for advice. I have set my mind now. Core i5 3570k is not available but will take 2 weeks. But i5 2500k and i7 2600k and FX 8120/8150 is available. If i can manage from office the WBCCC2012 Then i will wait for intel one or else will go for amd.

You have helped me a lot from the day am facing problems.
Thanks Robert , Thanks.
Parent - - By ernest (****) Date 2012-08-02 01:09

> Source of the current benchmark-Chess Gladiators site:
> http://www.gladiators-chess.ru/forum/viewthread.php?thread_id=577&pid=15723#post_15723


Hi Sedat,

Just noticed something fishy (strange) on that Gladiators Fritz Chess Benchmark:
normally, Relative speed should be
Knodes per second divided by 480 = 24853/480 = 51.78 and not 57.78 as shown...

Did they use Photoshop?... :cool:
Parent - - By Sedat Canbaz (*****) Date 2012-08-03 10:31

>Knodes per second divided by 480 = 24853/480 = 51.78 and not 57.78 as shown...


Dear Ernest,

Many thanks...you are very good chess inspector :smile:!!

Indeed there is something wrong

Yes...i already deleted those results:
Intel Core i7 3930k     @ 5.48 GHz     6      24853

Best,
Sedat
Parent - - By The Truth (**) Date 2012-08-05 21:59
To maintain a clock speed like that stable for 24/7, the cooling and other requirements can cost you more than the cpu itself. Might as well buy 3970x if you're going to do that, but that too I doubt will be stable at 5.5GHz 24/7
Parent - - By Barnard (Bronze) Date 2012-08-06 01:09
seems suicidal to run 24/7 at that speed;with the cooler and all the equipment you will need,you can buy a too much better computer,and run it at 'only',lets say,4,4Ghz,with betters results and less money invested
Parent - - By Sedat Canbaz (*****) Date 2012-08-06 07:18 Edited 2012-08-06 07:22

>seems suicidal to run 24/7 at that speed...


Dear Salva,

Who knows ? maybe Nikolai's machine (Komaha) is stable ?!
Perhaps we need another LIVE video by using stress testing programs like Prime95... ? :smile:

Best,
Sedat
Parent - By Barnard (Bronze) Date 2012-08-06 20:45
hi my friend

i just told that thinking that you can frie your cpu,trying to help you,not atacking you my friend :smile:

i never atack my friends :smile:

about Prime95,i had installed once time,and it was a good test to test the cpu's

regards

Salvador
Parent - - By Sedat Canbaz (*****) Date 2012-08-05 13:39 Edited 2012-08-05 13:47
Hello Ernest,

See here please - LIVE on YouTube:
http://youtu.be/GgIfLeD81RM

Probably there was some mistake during previous Fritz Benchmarking

But now the speed values seems to quite normal,even i can say very fast and superior results

Best,
Sedat
Parent - By ernest (****) Date 2012-08-05 17:40

> See here please - LIVE on YouTube:
> http://youtu.be/GgIfLeD81RM


Certainly no problem with that one! :cool:
- - By Rubén Cómes (****) Date 2012-07-01 12:12
The key is the number of cores and time, more time, more deep.
Settings too is very important.
Parent - - By Carl Bicknell (*****) Date 2012-07-01 19:32
How many cores does the latest Aquarium IDeA support? I thought it was 48 but they've obviously upgraded.
Parent - By Rubén Cómes (****) Date 2012-07-01 19:36
I don't know the limit.
- By artsygirl Date 2012-08-02 06:25
In my opinion, if cost is an issue, go with the 2500k instead, which loses hyper-threading, but maintains nearly the same performance in most cases for almost $100 less. You can often find the 2500k for $199 in Microcenter during sales if you have one near you, or on Newegg.com occasionally.
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