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Parent - - By Uly (Gold) [mx] Date 2011-12-22 07:51
I'm gonna make you pay for not carrying your approval to 19.Kh1 :mad:

1. e4 Nf6 2. e5 Nd5 3. d4 d6 4. Nf3 dxe5 5. Nxe5 c6 6. Be2 Bf5 7. g4 Be6 8. f4 f6 9. Nd3 Na6 10. Nc3 h5 11. f5 Bf7 12. Ne4 e6 13. fxe6 Bxe6 14. g5 Bf7 15. O-O Qe7 16. Bf3 O-O-O 17. c3 Bg6 18. Re1 Qd7 19. Kh1 Bf5 20. Qe2

2kr1b1r/pp1q2p1/n1p2p2/3n1bPp/3PN3/2PN1B2/PP2Q2P/R1B1R2K b - -
Parent - - By Christian Packi (****) [de] Date 2011-12-22 10:05
No don't do it! 19. Kh1 is approved also. I just forgot to mention it! :smile:

Btw I'm not sure how active I'll be the upcoming week. With chrismas coming up and all that.
Parent - - By Uly (Gold) [mx] Date 2011-12-23 03:17
Whoa! I think my message vanished :eek:, I don't know what happened, but I'll try to reconstruct it:

> No don't do it! 19. Kh1 is approved also. I just forgot to mention it! :smile:


But I gotta make you pay for... something...

I know! Remember this game?

http://rybkaforum.net/cgi-bin/rybkaforum/topic_show.pl?pid=316865

There White convinced Red of not exchanging pieces, and then, when it was convenient for White, BAM!

So, if I manage to win this, it'll be for that Red Bishop :twisted:

> Btw I'm not sure how active I'll be the upcoming week. With chrismas coming up and all that.


See you then, have a nice week!
Parent - By Christian Packi (****) [de] Date 2012-01-08 22:50
Make that two weeks. I just couldn’t get myself to analyze during my vacation. I will make a move soon. :smile:
Parent - - By Christian Packi (****) [de] Date 2012-01-10 22:03
1. e4 Nf6 2. e5 Nd5 3. d4 d6 4. Nf3 dxe5 5. Nxe5 c6 6. Be2 Bf5 7. g4 Be6 8. f4 f6 9. Nd3 Na6 10. Nc3 h5 11. f5 Bf7 12. Ne4 e6 13. fxe6 Bxe6 14. g5 Bf7 15. O-O Qe7 16. Bf3 O-O-O 17. c3 Bg6 18. Re1 Qd7 19. Kh1 Bf5 20. Qe2 Be7

2kr3r/pp1qb1p1/n1p2p2/3n1bPp/3PN3/2PN1B2/PP2Q2P/R1B1R2K w - - 7 21
Parent - By Uly (Gold) [mx] Date 2012-01-10 22:45
Welcome back! I've already forgotten about my main ideas on the position, I hope what I wrote down is useful! :yell:
Parent - - By Uly (Gold) [mx] Date 2012-01-13 01:21 Edited 2012-01-13 17:14
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Parent - - By Christian Packi (****) [de] Date 2012-01-13 11:50
Is that a conditional?
Parent - - By Uly (Gold) [mx] Date 2012-01-13 17:15
Oops, no, I just copied the wrong moves :lol:

1.e4 Nf6 2.e5 Nd5 3.d4 d6 4.Nf3 dxe5 5.Nxe5 c6 6.Be2 Bf5 7.g4 Be6 8.f4 f6 9.Nd3 Na6 10.Nc3 h5 11.f5 Bf7 12.Ne4 e6 13.fxe6 Bxe6 14.g5 Bf7 15.O-O Qe7 16.Bf3 O-O-O 17.c3 Bg6 18.Re1 Qd7 19.Kh1 Bf5 20.Qe2 Be7 21.Bd2
Parent - - By Christian Packi (****) [de] Date 2012-06-08 23:55
Uly, I'm very sorry that I have abandoned this game, but I can't find the time to continue. From what I remember my position was very bad and the most likely outcome was a white win. Good luck for your future games! :smile:
Parent - - By Uly (Gold) [mx] Date 2012-06-09 01:16

> I can't find the time to continue.


No problem! Let's continue this game whenever you have the time :smile:

I hope this "not having time" isn't going to last for life, is it? :wink:

I can wait for years if necessary, after all, I have plenty of waiting games like this.

So don't hurry up! But I'd like to wait for you to continue some day, even if it's a much later point in time.
Parent - - By Gizchehs Defender (***) [nl] Date 2012-06-30 19:42
That's how I know Uly.
.. Always patient with Correspondance Chess games :grin:
Parent - By Uly (Gold) [mx] Date 2012-06-30 21:01
Yeah, I think my record is this game:

http://rybkaforum.net/cgi-bin/rybkaforum/topic_show.pl?tid=14234

I've been waiting for Jonas to make a move since December 2009, so that's 2 years and a half, and counting...
Parent - - By Christian Packi (****) [de] Date 2012-07-31 18:32
1.e4 Nf6 2.e5 Nd5 3.d4 d6 4.Nf3 dxe5 5.Nxe5 c6 6.Be2 Bf5 7.g4 Be6 8.f4 f6 9.Nd3 Na6 10.Nc3 h5 11.f5 Bf7 12.Ne4 e6 13.fxe6 Bxe6 14.g5 Bf7 15.O-O Qe7 16.Bf3 O-O-O 17.c3 Bg6 18.Re1 Qd7 19.Kh1 Bf5 20.Qe2 Be7 21.Bd2 Kb8 :smile:

1k1r3r/pp1qb1p1/n1p2p2/3n1bPp/3PN3/2PN1B2/PP1BQ2P/R3R2K w - - 9 22
Parent - By Uly (Gold) [mx] Date 2012-07-31 19:01
Awesome! :smile:
Parent - - By Uly (Gold) [mx] Date 2012-08-05 02:45
The thrill is killing me :yell:

1. e4 Nf6 2. e5 Nd5 3. d4 d6 4. Nf3 dxe5 5. Nxe5 c6 6. Be2 Bf5 7. g4 Be6 8. f4 f6 9. Nd3 Na6 10. Nc3 h5 11. f5 Bf7 12. Ne4 e6 13. fxe6 Bxe6 14. g5 Bf7 15. O-O Qe7 16. Bf3 O-O-O 17. c3 Bg6 18. Re1 Qd7 19. Kh1 Bf5 20. Qe2 Be7 21. Bd2 Kb8 22. gxf6

1k1r3r/pp1qb1p1/n1p2P2/3n1b1p/3PN3/2PN1B2/PP1BQ2P/R3R2K b - -
Parent - - By Christian Packi (****) [de] Date 2012-08-05 12:30
So it’s the same for you. :lol:

1. e4 Nf6 2. e5 Nd5 3. d4 d6 4. Nf3 dxe5 5. Nxe5 c6 6. Be2 Bf5 7. g4 Be6 8. f4 f6 9. Nd3 Na6 10. Nc3 h5 11. f5 Bf7 12. Ne4 e6 13. fxe6 Bxe6 14. g5 Bf7 15. O-O Qe7 16. Bf3 O-O-O 17. c3 Bg6 18. Re1 Qd7 19. Kh1 Bf5 20. Qe2 Be7 21. Bd2 Kb8 22. gxf6 gxf6

1k1r3r/pp1qb3/n1p2p2/3n1b1p/3PN3/2PN1B2/PP1BQ2P/R3R2K w - - 0 23
Parent - - By Uly (Gold) [mx] Date 2012-08-07 02:57
1. e4 Nf6 2. e5 Nd5 3. d4 d6 4. Nf3 dxe5 5. Nxe5 c6 6. Be2 Bf5 7. g4 Be6 8. f4 f6 9. Nd3 Na6 10. Nc3 h5 11. f5 Bf7 12. Ne4 e6 13. fxe6 Bxe6 14. g5 Bf7 15. O-O Qe7 16. Bf3 O-O-O 17. c3 Bg6 18. Re1 Qd7 19. Kh1 Bf5 20. Qe2 Be7 21. Bd2 Kb8 22. gxf6 gxf6 23. c4
Parent - - By Christian Packi (****) [de] Date 2012-08-07 13:45
1. e4 Nf6 2. e5 Nd5 3. d4 d6 4. Nf3 dxe5 5. Nxe5 c6 6. Be2 Bf5 7. g4 Be6 8. f4 f6 9. Nd3 Na6 10. Nc3 h5 11. f5 Bf7 12. Ne4 e6 13. fxe6 Bxe6 14. g5 Bf7 15. O-O Qe7 16. Bf3 O-O-O 17. c3 Bg6 18. Re1 Qd7 19. Kh1 Bf5 20. Qe2 Be7 21. Bd2 Kb8 22. gxf6 gxf6 23. c4 Ndc7
Parent - - By Uly (Gold) [mx] Date 2012-08-09 09:54
1. e4 Nf6 2. e5 Nd5 3. d4 d6 4. Nf3 dxe5 5. Nxe5 c6 6. Be2 Bf5 7. g4 Be6 8. f4 f6 9. Nd3 Na6 10. Nc3 h5 11. f5 Bf7 12. Ne4 e6 13. fxe6 Bxe6 14. g5 Bf7 15. O-O Qe7 16. Bf3 O-O-O 17. c3 Bg6 18. Re1 Qd7 19. Kh1 Bf5 20. Qe2 Be7 21. Bd2 Kb8 22. gxf6 gxf6 23. c4 Ndc7 24. Bc3

1k1r3r/ppnqb3/n1p2p2/5b1p/2PPN3/2BN1B2/PP2Q2P/R3R2K b - -
Parent - - By Christian Packi (****) [de] Date 2012-08-09 15:58
1. e4 Nf6 2. e5 Nd5 3. d4 d6 4. Nf3 dxe5 5. Nxe5 c6 6. Be2 Bf5 7. g4 Be6 8. f4 f6 9. Nd3 Na6 10. Nc3 h5 11. f5 Bf7 12. Ne4 e6 13. fxe6 Bxe6 14. g5 Bf7 15. O-O Qe7 16. Bf3 O-O-O 17. c3 Bg6 18. Re1 Qd7 19. Kh1 Bf5 20. Qe2 Be7 21. Bd2 Kb8 22. gxf6 gxf6 23. c4 Ndc7 24. Bc3 Bg4

1k1r3r/ppnqb3/n1p2p2/7p/2PPN1b1/2BN1B2/PP2Q2P/R3R2K w - - 3 25
Parent - - By Uly (Gold) [mx] Date 2012-08-15 05:13
1. e4 Nf6 2. e5 Nd5 3. d4 d6 4. Nf3 dxe5 5. Nxe5 c6 6. Be2 Bf5 7. g4 Be6 8. f4 f6 9. Nd3 Na6 10. Nc3 h5 11. f5 Bf7 12. Ne4 e6 13. fxe6 Bxe6 14. g5 Bf7 15. O-O Qe7 16. Bf3 O-O-O 17. c3 Bg6 18. Re1 Qd7 19. Kh1 Bf5 20. Qe2 Be7 21. Bd2 Kb8 22. gxf6 gxf6 23. c4 Ndc7 24. Bc3 Bg4 25. Rf1

1k1r3r/ppnqb3/n1p2p2/7p/2PPN1b1/2BN1B2/PP2Q2P/R4R1K b - -
Parent - - By Christian Packi (****) [de] Date 2012-08-16 00:01
Not the move I expected.
Parent - - By Uly (Gold) [mx] Date 2012-08-16 01:06
Seemed the only chance for a win, as in the other one I could blow out the variations to high scores, but with a lot of material swapped, and only drawn endgames in sight. So I had to go back and find something else, this being it.
Parent - - By Christian Packi (****) [de] Date 2012-08-16 01:15
The problem now is that I have so many 0.00 variations to choose from.
Parent - - By Uly (Gold) [mx] Date 2012-08-16 03:22
Someone will be up for a surprise soon then.
Parent - By Christian Packi (****) [de] Date 2012-08-16 12:07
:lol:
Parent - - By Christian Packi (****) [de] Date 2012-08-16 12:50
If rybka shows me 0.18 evaluation in a dead drawn B+2P endgame I read that as 0.00 btw. :wink:
Parent - - By Uly (Gold) [mx] Date 2012-08-16 14:37
I've pruned such endgames long ago, though :lol:
Parent - By Christian Packi (****) [de] Date 2012-08-16 14:59
I'll take another look then. :eek:
Parent - - By Christian Packi (****) [de] Date 2012-08-11 20:36
How is it going Uly? :smile:
Parent - - By Uly (Gold) [mx] Date 2012-08-12 09:14
Oh, I apologized in advance for slow play to new opponents I started games against but not against old opponents :smile:

2 new WBCCC games just started and they're games with a clock so I've been trying to not fall off with them. Don't be surprised if I take very long to move.

As for the position on this game, there are some very nice variations where I think I could pull off a win, though I doubt you'll let me reach them!
Parent - - By Christian Packi (****) [de] Date 2012-08-12 13:26
I see you have your hands full with Ruben! Don't worry take your time. Our position is very complex with all pieces still on the board, the tension is rising. The more I look at it the more I believe I can hold a slightly worse endgame in all lines. :wink:
Parent - By Uly (Gold) [mx] Date 2012-08-12 15:20
Yes, that's why I didn't accept your game abandonment back in June, as you said it was very bad and white win was very likely outcome, but I said no way! I still don't see the win! :yell:
- By Christian Packi (****) [de] Date 2012-08-17 17:25
The more I look at it the trickier it gets. I may have to swindle my way into one of those +0.85 endgames with a pawn down where it’s unclear if the evaluation stays like that or simply fails low on me 30 moves ahead. :smile:
- - By Christian Packi (****) [de] Date 2012-08-17 20:47
Just letting you know that as of now I'm done with listening to the engines. It seems a lot of human intervention is needed in this position. If I can save this I will be patting myself on the back for a week or so. :cool:

All that engines want to do here is push my queenside pawns in search for counterplay, but when go down the lines I simply lose those pawns in all variations.
Parent - - By Uly (Gold) [mx] Date 2012-08-18 23:31

> It seems a lot of human intervention is needed in this position.


Yes, but white also has this problem :smile:, I could easily draw against the engine's top lines as black, because they play both sides poorly.

Scores just don't mean much in several of these variations.
Parent - - By Christian Packi (****) [de] Date 2012-08-19 16:21
I need your help here Uly. Should I play the lines where the evaluation very slowly drops but they lead to almost surely lost positions. Or should I lash out and play the lines that drop fast but look better and may lead to a drawn position. :roll:
Parent - - By Uly (Gold) [mx] Date 2012-08-20 21:08
The former! :wink:
Parent - - By Christian Packi (****) [de] Date 2012-08-21 19:42
My attempt. :roll:

1. e4 Nf6 2. e5 Nd5 3. d4 d6 4. Nf3 dxe5 5. Nxe5 c6 6. Be2 Bf5 7. g4 Be6 8. f4 f6 9. Nd3 Na6 10. Nc3 h5 11. f5 Bf7 12. Ne4 e6 13. fxe6 Bxe6 14. g5 Bf7 15. O-O Qe7 16. Bf3 O-O-O 17. c3 Bg6 18. Re1 Qd7 19. Kh1 Bf5 20. Qe2 Be7 21. Bd2 Kb8 22. gxf6 gxf6 23. c4 Ndc7 24. Bc3 Bg4 25. Rf1 Qc8

1kqr3r/ppn1b3/n1p2p2/7p/2PPN1b1/2BN1B2/PP2Q2P/R4R1K w - - 0 26
Parent - - By Christian Packi (****) [de] Date 2012-08-22 17:34
I bet that’s not the move you expected. :smile:
Parent - - By Uly (Gold) [mx] Date 2012-08-22 17:35
But I had wins for Qc8 in other branches, I'll see if I can transpose to them, whenever I have time to continue analysis.
Parent - - By Christian Packi (****) [de] Date 2012-08-22 17:43
Let's hope not! :surprised:

I've been sitting on that position for about 30 hours worth of analysis. I could even tell you which endgames lose, just based on pawn structure, and that’s almost all engames which is the pain of this position. Imo Qc8 is the only practical chance to maybe draw.
Parent - - By Uly (Gold) [mx] Date 2012-08-24 22:13
I wonder if it would have been better to keep my mouth shut back when you were swimming in a sea of 0s :yell:

1. e4 Nf6 2. e5 Nd5 3. d4 d6 4. Nf3 dxe5 5. Nxe5 c6 6. Be2 Bf5 7. g4 Be6 8. f4 f6 9. Nd3 Na6 10. Nc3 h5 11. f5 Bf7 12. Ne4 e6 13. fxe6 Bxe6 14. g5 Bf7 15. O-O Qe7 16. Bf3 O-O-O 17. c3 Bg6 18. Re1 Qd7 19. Kh1 Bf5 20. Qe2 Be7 21. Bd2 Kb8 22. gxf6 gxf6 23. c4 Ndc7 24. Bc3 Bg4 25. Rf1 Qc8 26. Rae1

1kqr3r/ppn1b3/n1p2p2/7p/2PPN1b1/2BN1B2/PP2Q2P/4RR1K b - -
Parent - By Christian Packi (****) [de] Date 2012-08-24 22:33
So you see the light at the end of my tunnel too? :grin:

It’s true that I burned the midnight oil after that hint. :wink:
Parent - - By Christian Packi (****) [de] Date 2012-08-24 23:03
I tried not to move this pawn to keep the e5 square under control but it seems impossible.

1. e4 Nf6 2. e5 Nd5 3. d4 d6 4. Nf3 dxe5 5. Nxe5 c6 6. Be2 Bf5 7. g4 Be6 8. f4 f6 9. Nd3 Na6 10. Nc3 h5 11. f5 Bf7 12. Ne4 e6 13. fxe6 Bxe6 14. g5 Bf7 15. O-O Qe7 16. Bf3 O-O-O 17. c3 Bg6 18. Re1 Qd7 19. Kh1 Bf5 20. Qe2 Be7 21. Bd2 Kb8 22. gxf6 gxf6 23. c4 Ndc7 24. Bc3 Bg4 25. Rf1 Qc8 26. Rae1 f5

1kqr3r/ppn1b3/n1p5/5p1p/2PPN1b1/2BN1B2/PP2Q2P/4RR1K w - - 0 27
Parent - - By Uly (Gold) [mx] Date 2012-08-25 03:34
I know what my move will be but I'm going to sit on my hands and analyze properly :smile:
Parent - - By Christian Packi (****) [de] Date 2012-08-27 21:34
What do you think Uly? May there be a draw for me?
Parent - - By Uly (Gold) [mx] Date 2012-08-28 04:46
Things are looking better the more I look into it, my problem is that I don't know what defense will you go for!
Parent - - By Christian Packi (****) [de] Date 2012-08-28 23:01
I have the same problem. I never know what attack you're going to run. :yell:
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