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- - By Magnus Friedmann (***) [ro] Date 2012-06-02 05:55
The system used by Richard Vida was an AMD Phenom II X6 @ 3.7GHz. Are there any AMD processors on 8 cores that are good for computer chess?
Parent - Date 2012-06-02 07:09
Parent - - By Werewolf (*****) [gb] Date 2012-06-02 08:10

> Are there any AMD processors on 8 cores


Yes. Bulldozer (although it's not a true 8 core)

> Are there any AMD processors on 8 cores that are good for computer chess?


No.
Parent - By Magnus Friedmann (***) [ro] Date 2012-06-02 08:11
Thank you! :cool:
Parent - By Ray (****) Date 2012-06-02 08:14
My Phenom II X6 is superb. I bought that in preference to Intel Sandybridge, because I can do more with 6 cores than 4, even if they are slower. 8-core Bulldozers were available, but I didn't like the reviews.

I would not assume that Richard was endorsing AMD. It was probably that this was the best machine he could get at short notice. I'm sure he would have preferred a faster Intel 6 core or better. But to answer your question - I guess you would have to go dual socket on AMD, the Phenom II architecture Opterons rather than the newer bulldozer architecture.
Parent - By KameHameHaaaa (**) [br] Date 2012-06-02 12:36
I am also interested in AMD and that was a good question. So shall I go to AMD X6 or AMD X8? Does anyone know if AMD will release this year a 10 cores? :evil:
Parent - By Master Om (*****) [us] Date 2012-06-02 15:10
The thing is AMD is not good for chess in the current scenario.:-)
Parent - - By mindbreaker (****) [us] Date 2012-06-06 10:05
I bought an 1100T it did not overclock very far 3.9Ghz stable and did not get near the supposed benchmarks others posted...then it was killed by my motherboard's "AI".  Very sad, but I replaced it with the FX-8150 it overclocks further.  Mine is at 4.3Ghz. And it uses less power.  It is calculating about 1-1.5 million nodes faster (using Critter) than the old 1100T at 3.9Ghz.

It is possible my 1100T was just a bad chip, but if I had to do it over again I would definitely go for the FX-8150.
Parent - - By abtp (*) Date 2012-06-06 10:33
Just curious. how many cores does your chess software see?
Parent - By mindbreaker (****) [us] Date 2012-06-06 19:38
Critter with Fritz 13 interface thinks there are 4 cores, but if you go to the little square where it says 4 and click with either mouse button it opens a box where you can change it to "8 CPUs".  It says CPUs (1-8) and has a field that permits any number 1-8.  The Critter "advanced setting" you can also use to change it.  It does not stay unless you change its name while "creating new engine" though, and add to the name at the end at the end of the name.

I think the Fritz software assumes that the presence of 8 logical cores means there are hyperthreading cores and only uses what it thinks are physical cores.  But, of course, these are not hyperthreading cores. People can quibble about what they want to call them, but they defiantly contribute to the calculation.
Parent - - By Ray (****) Date 2012-06-06 10:35
Very odd. I'm pretty sure that the 1100T should be using less power than an overclocked 8-core bulldozer.

I run my 1100T at 3.7 at default voltage, and it is Prime95 etc stable at that. Once you start to increase voltage, heat and power consumption become an issue, and to me it isn't worth going further.
Parent - By mindbreaker (****) [us] Date 2012-06-06 21:52
The 8-core Buldozer is a lower voltage chip because it is a finer process. It only required a modest voltage increase to get to 4.3GHz stable.  The 1100T required almost the full 1.475V to get to a stable 3.9Ghz.  My standards for deeming it stable are a little higher than for some.  I need it to run 100% on all cores for weeks on end.  Maybe I just got a dud.  But the new chip is at 49C at 100% and it is hot in here.  The 1100T ran somewhat hot about 58C and that was with less overclock.  That is on all the same hardware.

I don't have it water cooled right now but I probably will do that.  I have to order a water block.  Got another pump...everything else I can get at Home Depot.

It is doing some opening research stuff with the "Let's Check" thing in Fritz 13.  I have been running it pretty much continuously on Infinite Analysis for a couple months. I have been using Critter and it is generally at 10,000-11,000kn/s.  Intel stuff is probably faster.  I am using Windows 7 64-bit.  I think I like XP 64-bit better. 7 may be more stable when programs are not stable but the start bar is crap, and the prearranged places data is supposed to go is annoying too.  XP 64-bit with a dozen or so modifications is much better. I think it is fastest for chess too.  However, I did not want to try to build a new system and have a headache with trying to find drivers for the new hardware. XP 64-bit never was very popular and hardware companies don't feel obligated to make drivers for it.
Parent - - By abtp (*) Date 2012-06-07 10:45
"Are there any AMD processors on 8 cores ... "

some AMD Opteron processors have 8, some have 12, some have 16 cores
Parent - By mindbreaker (****) [us] Date 2012-06-08 00:49
Unfortunately, all the Opterons have locked multipliers and are clocked slow.  A 16-core chip or a pair of them would be great if you could water cool them and overclock them.  There are some engineering samples that can be overclocked but they are virtually impossible to get. http://www.overclock.net/t/1160043/top-30-cinebench-r11-5-cpu-scores#post_15573402
- By Uly (Gold) [mx] Date 2012-06-02 16:14
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http://rybkaforum.net/cgi-bin/rybkaforum/topic_show.pl?tid=10925
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