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maybe one player will have a heart attack.
>maybe one player will have a heart attack
or maybe one player will win the lottery
or if i were playing the game,i can win a 1-month-travel to thailand (where im sure are the best hookers),and you can bet i wont log in here in the whole month
and of course,i will losse the game
This reminds me of a rarther black story.In the late 80's Philips recording label deceided to ask the great Chilean pianist Claudio Arrau to rerecord the Beethoven P/Sonatas.He managed 31/32,and fell off his perch.Phillips exec were well pissed off as they could not list it as a complete set.
thats life i guess.
thats life i guess.
yes,that is life Paul
sometimes we make the hardest work,and we are finishing,bum!!something occurs and all is ruined
like when you are downloading something,and when are just a few kb remaining,the conection breaks and all that you downloaded is pure garbage
p.s.i didnt understood what means ''fell off his perch'',what it means?
sometimes we make the hardest work,and we are finishing,bum!!something occurs and all is ruined
like when you are downloading something,and when are just a few kb remaining,the conection breaks and all that you downloaded is pure garbage
p.s.i didnt understood what means ''fell off his perch'',what it means?
''fell off his perch''
DIED.
DIED.
correct me if im wrong,but the Philips directive were angry because they cant list it complete????the pianist died,and they are only thinking about the money???
i think angry is the wrong word,The company would have made a lot more money if he had recorded all 32.I am not talking about 99% of people but the accountants who only deal in figures
well,i explained wrong myself...but the pianist died,and they are only thinking about money,and im sure they are wishing the pianist can be live 24 hours more,but just to record the missing piece...fu,cking directives and hateful people that always think and only care about money
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Black can't draw if he plays carelessly, if Sebi just plays some random move at low depth I can gain an advantage in this endgame. Please respect my right to keep playing.
> Black can't draw if he plays carelessly, if Sebi just plays some random move at low depth I can gain an advantage in this endgame. Please respect my right to keep playing.
I have only one question. When has Sebi ever played carelessly?
There's a first time for everything!
of course,you are with the right to play,but you are being you are a bit arrogant and disrispectful with your opponent,just playing waiting for an eventual blunder,in a position of a clear draw
p.s.:i only wish that Sebi will win that game against you,i think you will be able to learn a good lesson from this
p.s.:i only wish that Sebi will win that game against you,i think you will be able to learn a good lesson from this
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IMHO, black has a big chance to secure a victory in this pawn structure.
i never analized the game with my laptop,but looking with the eyes of a OTB player,i tend to agree with you,that black has practical chances,at least OTB
Hey, what about a challenge, I challenge you to play from this position in where you don't get engine assistance, you play as if OTB and I get all the resources I can get against you, I also give you the benefit of having two concurrent games against me that is unprecedented, how about that?
i dont understand you Uly,the challenge is that both of us will play without engines,like OTB,but sending the moves like usual?if it is that,i accept the challenge
what i cant accept is me playing OTB,and you playing assisted with a quad;is very easy for a OTB make a mistake,but very very very dificult for a centaur make a mistake playing that endgame
what about another challenge?me playing black,and both of us assisted with computers (you with your quad,and me with my old dual core);if you win the endgame,i WONT LOG IN HERE FOR A FULL YEAR,if you cant win the endgame,YOU CANT LOG IN HERE JUST FOR A MONTH
how about that?
what i cant accept is me playing OTB,and you playing assisted with a quad;is very easy for a OTB make a mistake,but very very very dificult for a centaur make a mistake playing that endgame
what about another challenge?me playing black,and both of us assisted with computers (you with your quad,and me with my old dual core);if you win the endgame,i WONT LOG IN HERE FOR A FULL YEAR,if you cant win the endgame,YOU CANT LOG IN HERE JUST FOR A MONTH
how about that?
> i dont understand you Uly,the challenge is that both of us will play without engines
Why? I'm using an engine against Sebi. That I can't win without engines is irrelevant because I can use engines against Sebi.
>is very easy for a OTB make a mistake,but very very very dificult for a centaur make a mistake playing that endgame
But you said this position was trivially drawn. If you'd lose it by playing OTB, then you have to accept it's not a clear draw.
>if you win the endgame,i WONT LOG IN HERE FOR A FULL YEAR
I don't care if you log in or not for a full year or one day, I have nothing to win from such a bet, and you have nothing I want.
Also, this OTB challenge carries to NATIONAL12 or whoever thinks this endgame is dead drawn: Hey Paul, do you think you can defend this position without engine assistance? Because black can still make mistakes, and that's what chess is about.
i said is trivially drawn both if both players are using engines,not handicaping one player forbidding him to use engines and allowing the other player to use it
so my claim that is a clear draw IS STILL VALID,PLAYING BOTH PLAYERS IN EQUAL CONDITIONS
again,you are being tendentious;even if a position is a draw,you know perfectly well that a player can make mistakes if it is weaker than the engine,and eventually losse the game,BUT THAT DOESNT MEAN THE POSITION ISNT A DRAW
so being me equal tendentious like you,want you try to win like you are doing in the game like white,WITHOUT ENGINE ASSITANCE,against Sebi with engine assitance,and allow us to see what happens?if you think white can win,and the same that you want that i play without engine assistance to prove i can draw without engine assitance,why you dont play for win without engine assistance to prove your point,the same way that you want i prove mine?
so my claim that is a clear draw IS STILL VALID,PLAYING BOTH PLAYERS IN EQUAL CONDITIONS
>Also, this OTB challenge carries to NATIONAL12 or whoever thinks this endgame is dead drawn: Hey Paul, do you think you can defend this position without engine assistance? Because black can still make mistakes, and that's what chess is about
again,you are being tendentious;even if a position is a draw,you know perfectly well that a player can make mistakes if it is weaker than the engine,and eventually losse the game,BUT THAT DOESNT MEAN THE POSITION ISNT A DRAW
so being me equal tendentious like you,want you try to win like you are doing in the game like white,WITHOUT ENGINE ASSITANCE,against Sebi with engine assitance,and allow us to see what happens?if you think white can win,and the same that you want that i play without engine assistance to prove i can draw without engine assitance,why you dont play for win without engine assistance to prove your point,the same way that you want i prove mine?
> even if a position is a draw,you know perfectly well that a player can make mistakes if it is weaker than the engine,and eventually losse the game,BUT THAT DOESNT MEAN THE POSITION ISNT A DRAW
The opening position is also drawn with perfect play, and we play from it anyway.
Also, if someone is tendentious here, it's you.
>The opening position is also drawn with perfect play
show me 1 reliable and irrefutable proof...not 'percentages',or 'implications',or 'correlations'...have you just 1 proof?yes or not?
lets see how you will find the way to evade that simply question
No.
Now, you show me irrefutable proof that this current position against Sebi is trivially drawn...not 'percentages',or 'implications',or 'correlations'...have you just 1 proof?yes or not?
lets see how you will find the way to evade that simply question
Now, you show me irrefutable proof that this current position against Sebi is trivially drawn...not 'percentages',or 'implications',or 'correlations'...have you just 1 proof?yes or not?
lets see how you will find the way to evade that simply question
since you evaded my question,im not gonna answer yours
im not gonna go to your part of the fighting,im not soo stupid
im not gonna go to your part of the fighting,im not soo stupid
> since you evaded my question,im not gonna answer yours
I didn't evade the question, I said "No", which means, I have no proof. But you don't have proof for the position in this game, either.
ah,you said no...i didnt saw it
well,im gonna answer you:no,i havent any proof that your endgame against Sebi is a draw like the endgame tablebases for that endgame isnt generated
but with both players having the help of the engines,and having enough time to analize it and evado root blunders,is near zero the chances of any player making a blunder...and im gonna tell you more;even if you put a monkey to operate the computer,and the monkey is able to choose the better move that the engine tells to him,im sure that even the monkey is able to draw the endgame
so your chances that Sebi makes a blunder (being helped like is helped by an engine running on a computer),is zero Uly
p.s.im not insulting Sebi,im just trying to show that the endgame is a draw,not mind who plays black,if the player is helped by an engine
well,im gonna answer you:no,i havent any proof that your endgame against Sebi is a draw like the endgame tablebases for that endgame isnt generated
but with both players having the help of the engines,and having enough time to analize it and evado root blunders,is near zero the chances of any player making a blunder...and im gonna tell you more;even if you put a monkey to operate the computer,and the monkey is able to choose the better move that the engine tells to him,im sure that even the monkey is able to draw the endgame
so your chances that Sebi makes a blunder (being helped like is helped by an engine running on a computer),is zero Uly
p.s.im not insulting Sebi,im just trying to show that the endgame is a draw,not mind who plays black,if the player is helped by an engine
> but with both players having the help of the engines,and having enough time to analize it and evado root blunders,is near zero the chances of any player making a blunder...and im gonna tell you more;even if you put a monkey to operate the computer,and the monkey is able to choose the better move that the engine tells to him,im sure that even the monkey is able to draw the endgame
I said no 'percentages',or 'implications',or 'correlations'
>so your chances that Sebi makes a blunder (being helped like is helped by an engine running on a computer),is zero Uly
You can be sure of that, but I am not.
choosing the better move isnt a percentage,since you choose the better move that you can,is your best selection,and the only way to draw (or win)
well,all is said...if you are sure that Sebi can make blunders,even playing both players with computers,continue playing,i havent nothing more to say
>so your chances that Sebi makes a blunder (being helped like is helped by an engine running on a computer),is zero Uly
>You can be sure of that, but I am not.
well,all is said...if you are sure that Sebi can make blunders,even playing both players with computers,continue playing,i havent nothing more to say
+1
And the challenge carries to you Scott as well, can you defend the position without engine assistance? Otherwise it means black can make mistakes, and that's the reason I keep playing.
that it isnt a good argument,because here,WE ARE PLAYING WITH ENGINE ASSISTANCE,so if me can or cant defend the position without the engine assistance,is irrelevant
i s a dead draw,and you are angry because you cant won before,and you are trying to win a dead position
but time is for all...pray for kill me in our game,in other case i will have you to play until the 6 men tablebases is on the board,and i will make my best efforts to avoid arriving to 6 men to continue playing,to give you your own medicine,the medicine you are giving to others,like Sebi
i s a dead draw,and you are angry because you cant won before,and you are trying to win a dead position
but time is for all...pray for kill me in our game,in other case i will have you to play until the 6 men tablebases is on the board,and i will make my best efforts to avoid arriving to 6 men to continue playing,to give you your own medicine,the medicine you are giving to others,like Sebi
What I usually do in a case like this, Black has extra time, so I would run White's time out on move 193 after many pleads for a draw by White. I would figure out when he goes to sleep and make move then,
Just don't paste the wrong move like in our game or your strategy might backfire!
, that's true. I'm much more careful now that I threw away the win...
> that I threw away the win...
You must be confusing games, you didn't have any win, it was a "drawn" position and we kept playing and it was blown up. People could have said that had 0% chance of happening and it did, so I learned from that game to keep trying
> so I learned from that game to keep trying
Well it's always good to learn,
Today I learned that dragging a drawish endgame just because you see potential ways to make progress can make your game very popular!
Some people might look at declining the draw offer in such a clearly draw-ISH position as a slight against an opponent. Especially one as highly respected as Sebi. So they rush to his defense, it's just natural. But you do have the right to continue, and if you see something you like, you almost have an obligation to continue. This is just a little good-natured ribbing, it's been a little slow around here lately,
>just because you see potential ways to make progress
you see potential ways to make progress,or you are waiting for a blunder from Sebi?
my friend,you are the perfect man to dress the truth for your own interest...back to my games
> you see potential ways to make progress,or you are waiting for a blunder from Sebi?
Inaccuracies, I'm hoping for inaccuracies. And I think Sebi is fallible, just like all of us. If he wanted a draw, he could have forced it on move 45 (where deviation from draw would have given black an advantage), but he didn't, so maybe he also hopes that I make an inaccurate move. Chess games are won like that, it's just that it happens in more complex positions.
Anyway, I'm with Scott in that if you see something, you have to go for it. And as someone said on the forum, it's not like Sebi is being annoyed, since he enjoys playing chess.
>I'm with Scott
you always try to support your opinions with 'other opinions' Uly...cant you defend your opinions alone?in near all your messages you make references to other people...i will start thinking that you need support from others,or in the worst case,you try to manipulate others to work for your interest...
learn from me,im me,myself,and if i do something wrong (or good),i never mention others,is all that i say 'my own',not like you,that always try to put others in your fights (and im not refering here in our fightings,in all things that you speak you involve third persons)
that is a good advice,without acrimony,but im sure you wont be able to appreciate it
If you think that about me you could at least have the decency of stopping calling me "friend."
well,if i never think you were my friend,i never waste my time speaking/writing/playing with you,dont think?
edit:im just trying that you change the bad things,and convert it in good things,not more
edit:im just trying that you change the bad things,and convert it in good things,not more
And I claim those bad things are only in your imagination, nobody else would agree with you that I try to manipulate people. It's just your opinion.
And no, I don't consider you my friend, but still enjoy playing with you because of your skills.
And no, I don't consider you my friend, but still enjoy playing with you because of your skills.
>And I claim those bad things are only in your imagination, nobody else would agree with you that I try to manipulate people. It's just your opinion
of course,if i tell you that you can be wrong,at the same time i must admit that i also can be wrong...but you,and that is another advice,must do the same that im doing now,you also must admit you also can be wrong...(i dont need you make it here,in public,for me is enough if you make it for yoursel)
>I don't consider you my friend
i dont mind,i consider you mine,so dont worry
well,lets have peace until we find next cheese Tom
> you also must admit you also can be wrong...
No, as I know I don't try to manipulate people, I also know I'm right when I say that I don't manipulate people.
>as I know I don't try to manipulate people
sometimes you try Uly,and im telling you withouy acrimony...well,if you arent able to see what you do,you never will be able to correct yourself,so i think what im saying is a complet waste of time...
thanks for agreeing Scott
that type of play,when are clearly dead draws,and people is playing OTB,is in some cases understandable...but here,playing with the help of engines,and in some cases,of very powerful machines,is frankly arrogant and disrespectful to your opponent
and something that i cant understand is that to support to what he is doing,he tell us that we must play black without engines to see if we are ables to catch the draws against an engine;is he able to catch the win without the help of the engines playing against an engine?i bet my left arm that he will losse in that conditions
that type of play,when are clearly dead draws,and people is playing OTB,is in some cases understandable...but here,playing with the help of engines,and in some cases,of very powerful machines,is frankly arrogant and disrespectful to your opponent
and something that i cant understand is that to support to what he is doing,he tell us that we must play black without engines to see if we are ables to catch the draws against an engine;is he able to catch the win without the help of the engines playing against an engine?i bet my left arm that he will losse in that conditions
You don't value your left arm that much, then.
i have less value in your knowledge of endings...and even less in your knowledge playing against a engine,like,lets say,Houdini
so i bet,yes,and not joking,my left arm if you play that endgame against Houdini,of course,you playing without the assistance of engines
and i will bet against a very cheap wager for you,let say 75 dollars?
if you want,we can bet
edit:just again 30 dollars,i feel generous
so i bet,yes,and not joking,my left arm if you play that endgame against Houdini,of course,you playing without the assistance of engines
and i will bet against a very cheap wager for you,let say 75 dollars?
if you want,we can bet
edit:just again 30 dollars,i feel generous
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