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- - By yorkman (**) [ca] Date 2012-04-12 18:01
I've analyzed many moves with IA and now I'd like to color them but when I select Good Move (5) or Interesting Move (4), etc. then all that happens is the move gets underlined in the notation for that particular game. How can I get around this?

I'd like to use this tree because it has both my IDeA results and Deep Analysis (IA) results and after finishing the game I'd like to give it a color so that the next time I play a game and come across the same position I can see the colored moves I've played before in other games.
Parent - - By buffos (Silver) [gr] Date 2012-04-12 18:05
wait. something in your description is wrong.

Title says , you cannot color moves in IDEA tree, and then you are talking about coloring moves in notation and IA

So to get things right. Is your problem coloring moves in NOTATION? (moves colored in trees do not get colored when you enter them in notation, although it would be nice to be done by user's choice)
Parent - By yorkman (**) [ca] Date 2012-04-16 13:03 Edited 2012-04-16 13:22
I think you've misunderstood. I never said the move gets colored in the notation. I said it gets underlined.

Once again, my problem is that the move doesn't get colored in the IDeA tree and that tree only. If I have a book open where I already have moves colored then I can change the colors for that book. I just can't do it when I change to the IDeA tree from the dropdown (in the bottom right window).
Parent - - By keoki010 (Bronze) [us] Date 2012-04-12 18:54
In addition to what buffos asked; what is the name of your analysis tree in your IDEA project? That is probably the tree you are talking about.
Parent - - By yorkman (**) [ca] Date 2012-04-16 13:27
It's the default IDeA tree.

See this screenshot:

http://www.chesscafe.com/text/chessok64.pdf

Like the heading says: Tree [IDeA\B90-4] though mine actually says Tree [IDeA - *idea]

Notice all the moves are black. And if I try to right-click on any of them and mark it a Good move for example, it won't change to green.
Parent - By Vempele (Silver) [fi] Date 2012-04-16 13:40
Analysis->IDeA(arrow)->Link to project.
Parent - - By buffos (Silver) [gr] Date 2012-04-16 17:37
Did you by any chance "edit" idea tree?
(i suppose you have selected which tree you should view... Sandbox->Analysis Tab -> Under Current position button, it has an icon toolbox that sets the Current IDEA tree that you will view, from the bunch of available projects)
Parent - By yorkman (**) [ca] Date 2012-04-17 13:17
No, I didn't. Not even sure how I'd do that. The tree is always like this whenever I install Aquarium 2011 (any version/build) on any pc. I never use Sandbox. But yes, I have that option and I just tried changing it to Default Project this time without linking it to the current game. I can now color the moves I want and the game in the database list doesn't turn red. Perfect. Thanks! I appreciate your reply very much. Very helpful.
Parent - - By keoki010 (Bronze) [us] Date 2012-04-16 18:01
yorkman, you need to link your idea tree to your project.  Do as Vempele says to link it.
Parent - - By buffos (Silver) [gr] Date 2012-04-16 20:37
there is no need to link in order to color your tree. Just select the tree to display.
Parent - - By keoki010 (Bronze) [us] Date 2012-04-16 20:54
True, but, I don't think he has the tree setup right! So linking will at least display a tree with some evals.
[Edit] Also he may not have color moves setup right in the tree he is looking at. I think if you uncheck it you can't color moves, at least I seem to remember something about that way back when! :smile:
Parent - - By yorkman (**) [ca] Date 2012-04-17 13:08
Thanks to all that replied. That was the solution. I appreciate your help guys.

My open database games now turn red when I link it to the <Default Project>. By the way, I didn't set up this tree like that. It's how it's always been from the first time I installed Aquarium 2011. It's the same on all the computers I've ever installed it on...(regardless of what versions or builds). It always starts off with:

Tree [IDeA - *idea]

Now, after linking each game manually to the default project, it shows: Tree [IDeA - IDeA\DeepAnalysis] and I can color all analyzed moves. Excellent.

Only one issue. It seems I will always have to do this for all my games.  Is there a way for this to be the default not just for new games in the database but also existing games (though I'll settle if it's just for new games)?

I'm not sure if this would do it but it sounds like it might. In the engines list, if I select R4, on the right side I have Advanced Engine Options. Under Infinite Analysis Results I have Write Results Into Tree: <default> (though I've no idea what the default file is since if I click on it it just gives me an Open Tree dialog box letting me select a file. Should I just point it to the DeepAnalysis.hsh file or the Infinite_Analysis.hsh file or something? I don't want to change it without making the right selection since I doubt I can change it back to <default> after without knowing what the default file is.

After this I have: Add infinite analysis to IDeA (if it is new) and None is the default. Seems like I should have one of the following options selected but I'm not sure which one:

-Send positions from analysis line into IDeA queue
-Add moves and evaluations to IDeA tree
-Add analysis to IDeA tree and generate alternative tasks

I normally run R4 in IA mode (and later I want to color the moves it found to be the best scoring). After running R4 for a while I usually add the most recent line R4 found into the notation.
Parent - By yorkman (**) [ca] Date 2012-04-17 13:22
Answering my own question here. Doing it the way keoki010 showed does the job but it means I'd have to do this for each game (and yes, linking was not necessary). But after doing it the way buffos first suggested and not linking it to the game sets it for all the games so that I don't have to do this for each game I open from the database.

However, I'm still curious what I should have those engine settings set to (re: my above long post)
Parent - - By keoki010 (Bronze) [us] Date 2012-04-17 17:28
Click here and read

> -Send positions from analysis line into IDeA queue
>


Use this one until you learn more.

> Now, after linking each game manually to the default project, it shows: Tree [IDeA - IDeA\DeepAnalysis] and I can color all analyzed moves


DeepAnalysis is for your master tree or idea main tree. IDEA stores some analysis there. Read the referenced article above. Edit each project and change the analysis tree to same as project name. It's self explanatory when you get on the screen. Later you can send the analysis to the master tree if you want.
Parent - - By yorkman (**) [ca] Date 2012-04-19 16:30
Thanks for the link. However, I don't use IDeA, mainly because I don't know how to take advantage of it over IA. I don't know what to set the settings to when analyzing a position. 10 seconds? Depth? Interactive? I'm no GM so I wouldn't know what moves to feed it that "may" be better than what R4 suggests. I play some correspondence and mostly use IA. I've had a lot of success doing it this way, but my biggest weakness is not being able to win with black...usually it's a draw. It has always been a problem for me (years). I've recently tried configuring R4 so that there's small penalty if there's opposite colored bishops, or adding some millipawns pts (7) to knights, rooks or pawns but I haven't finished any games to see if it's helping. So far it doesn't look like it.
Parent - - By keoki010 (Bronze) [us] Date 2012-04-19 17:24

> Thanks for the link. However, I don't use IDeA, mainly because I don't know how to take advantage of it over IA.


Hmmm, everyone thought you were using IDEA. All the suggestions were to help seed IDeA with your IA analysis automatically.
Parent - - By yorkman (**) [ca] Date 2012-04-23 13:51
Apparently so but I'm not sure why. I did reference that I only use IA but was talking about the tree called IDeA which also shows the IA column. The solution provided did fix the problem though.
Parent - - By Vempele (Silver) [fi] Date 2012-04-23 14:49

> I did reference that I only use IA but was talking about the tree called IDeA which also shows the IA column.


It's a tree configuration, not a tree. It shows data from multiple trees: *idea, *master and the IA tree. When it says [IDeA - *idea], it means no tree is selected for *idea - which is the main tree (=coloring and move-adding tree) of the configuration.
Parent - By yorkman (**) [ca] Date 2012-04-26 16:42
Ok, thanks for clarifying that. I just called it as I saw it...Tree.
Parent - By keoki010 (Bronze) [us] Date 2012-04-19 17:26

> -Send positions from analysis line into IDeA queue
>


Use this one if you are going to run an Idea project.  Just use the defaults at first.
Parent - By yorkman (**) [ca] Date 2012-04-17 13:10 Edited 2012-04-17 13:17
keoki010: Appreciate you going to so much trouble as to even doing a screen capture, cropping and adding an arrow. Although it wasn't necessary, it's always a bonus.
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