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- - By AgentEE7 (**) [us] Date 2012-02-24 06:51
Just curious if their is a new Aquarium update in the works - and what the emphasis is currently on for the developers.  Mostly fixing bugs and polishing the current features - or are their new features or major upgrades planned?  Any idea of the time frame for future releases?

  Thanks!
Parent - - By Dadi Jonsson (Silver) [is] Date 2012-02-24 16:17
Aquarium has made huge progress with every new version. Major features have been added and quality has improved. This was partly out of necessity since Aquarium is the newest player in this market and the first versions were missing several key features that are expected in this type of product. In my opinion the situation changed with the release of Aquarium 2011. I expect a greater part of the work will focus on polishing current features and fixing bugs, but of course that doesn't exclude major improvements :cool:
Parent - - By Kappatoo (****) [de] Date 2012-02-24 17:32
Is making the use of IDeA easier also an option which is being considered?
Parent - - By buffos (Silver) [gr] Date 2012-02-24 21:06

> IDeA easier


what does easier mean. It depends on how you interpret it.

If you mean more towards an one click operation, press a button, come after some time, get the results, no need to tweak this.. tweak that...
then without knowing anything, i will tell you that this will not happen in the next 200 years by anyone. Autosolving chess is not going to happen.

Less parameters? This would be really bad too. I think it needs even more options so the user can adjust in different situations.
You will respond, but that makes it even more complex, and my response would be that without those options you would produce a worse tree (and you can always ignore them).
An intelligent system that will adjust those parameters automatically depending on the position throws us back to the first case.

So the question is , what do YOU mean easier :smile:
Parent - By Kappatoo (****) [de] Date 2012-02-24 21:22
What I meant was easier to use at all, not considering quality of the analysis or the ability to use all features.
When I upgraded to the new Aquarium a while back, I failed even to get the analysis being stored in the tree where I wanted it to be.
Parent - - By The Truth (**) [de] Date 2012-03-11 05:37
I say add more functionality to it. There is probably more room for improvement on idea especially integrating some database and statistic functions to it. Or a CQL like search, for managing positions or terminal nodes and evals of the idea tree and creating tasks for it would probably be a godsend and simplify the much more complex scripter.
Parent - By buffos (Silver) [gr] Date 2012-03-11 10:57

> integrating some database and statistic functions to it


> Or a CQL like search


we agree on both (although some will say it will end up being more complex, my opinion is we cannot have a simple tool for such a complex game as chess :smile:)

i have a lot more on the wish list for idea :red:

a logger for example + conditional actions (for example if 2000 positions examined... turn of this root and mark as root the best 2 children... etc. Actually simulate what the "user would do if he was there over the board) (made a script for it, although i havent really finished the second part.. the conditional actions.. i am too lazy )
Parent - - By cma6 (****) Date 2012-03-14 20:59
One useful feature would be to make it simpler and faster to change the IDeA project to which a DB game is attached. I do that many times/day. Currently it takes 4 steps: click "Analysis"; click "Send To"; Select IDeA project; OK.
   It would be great if this could be pared down to 2 steps.
Parent - - By Dadi Jonsson (Silver) [is] Date 2012-04-01 23:35
You can define a custom action for this:

1) Switch to the Analysis tab in Database mode

2) Click Define custom action in the sidebar

3) Click the "Send to" tool button.

After this you can click the new custom action to bring up the dialog box.
Parent - By cma6 (****) Date 2012-04-02 23:24
Dadi, thanks for the tip, which saves one step, although one must keep the database sidebar open to use the custom action.
Parent - - By cma6 (****) Date 2012-04-08 20:27
Another IDeA improvement would be the ability to use two different engines on two different projects at once. Currently, if one is using IDeA on Projects A&B, one must use the same engine(s).
Parent - By Dhanish (***) [in] Date 2012-04-09 15:11
+1
Parent - - By Dean [se] Date 2012-04-14 11:10
?
I don't know if I understand you correctly, but I run two different engines on totally 8 cores at the same time on more than one project and they seem to
perform parallel analysis.
Parent - By Dhanish (***) [in] Date 2012-04-14 12:06

> they seem to perform parallel analysis


But the analysis is mixed up. For example, if you have four cores of Rybka and four cores of Houdini, and run two projects, we cannot ensure that one project uses only Rybka cores and the other project only Houdini cores.
Parent - - By cma6 (****) Date 2012-04-15 00:04
Dean, when I assign Houdini to Project A, then if I assign Rybka to Project B, A will switch to using use Rybka.
How do you assign different engines to different projects, i.e., what do you do in Aquarium to accomplish that?
Parent - - By Dean [se] Date 2012-04-15 12:34
I don't assign engines to special projects but I use a number of engines in parallel.
Parent - By cma6 (****) Date 2012-04-16 01:16
But how do you accomplish (what mechanical steps in Aquarium) do you use to achieve what I described?
- - By saurus_ (**) [gb] Date 2012-02-24 13:02
In case of new features, what about a 64bit Version to allow bigger trees? :roll
Parent - - By Dadi Jonsson (Silver) [is] Date 2012-02-24 16:26
That would be great and practically remove all limits on tree size in Aquarium. You must realize, however, that some tree operations would still take considerable amount of time as the trees grow bigger. Minimaxing in IDeA is one example.
Parent - - By JhorAVi (***) [ph] Date 2012-02-25 16:50
I'm contented with the current Aquarium. What I'm excited to see is a port of all Peshka training apps to Android :)
Parent - - By jammy (***) [gb] Date 2012-03-08 20:04
Another great improvement would be to stop it freezing up or crushing,  and people losing all their hard work and records. I do think Aquarium is a great programme but it is far from stable, that is the most important requirement.
Parent - - By Maxou93 (**) [fr] Date 2012-03-11 22:00
dear all,
another improvment will be to make a command to train against a own opening repertoire. A personnal one build step by step with question (program stop and ask you to choose one or several best lines, as you want) to each significant variation in the evaluation. Quid ?
For me Aquarium is a fantastic tool to build a personnal book. Why not train with it ?
Best regards
Parent - By ChessMonster (***) Date 2012-03-11 22:50
I agree with Maxou.

I know that the silence of the developers does not mean they are not working on an update. There are many options they can take at this point with Aquarium, they should prioritize.
Parent - By JhorAVi (***) [ph] Date 2012-03-12 00:08
Agree!! An Opening Trainer like BOOKUP! I already suggested this but it seems the developers aren't interested. Probably because Aquarium is not intended for serious Chess Players but rather intended for Engine pitting aficionados.
Parent - - By saurus_ (**) [gb] Date 2012-03-12 08:35
I also use Aquarium 90% for my opening preperation. A trainer would be highly apprichiated.
Parent - - By mattchess (*) [us] Date 2012-03-15 15:57
I would love to see a training feature as well.  In particular, a way to keep a database of critical positions from games to go back over and play through "what's the best move" problems.  So as you analyze your games, you can add key positions to the trainer so they are presented back to you later.  These may be key opening moves, or may be tactical ideas.  Would work for either and if you wanted you could keep different position databases for different circumstances.
Parent - By Maxou93 (**) [fr] Date 2012-03-16 12:03
Dear all,
the proposal of be trained from a own book is for me not so difficult to accomplish. If you observe how Chess Assistant work, you can guess that it is almost done. When a variation in a game show a better move, a red arrow appear on the board to indicate this move. If it is possible to use some advice (evaluation) in a book like !, !?, or += (any one else) or may be a difference in the CAP evaluation or from IDEA, from any source, it will vbe easy to ask the program to react like Chess Assistant. Means, stopped, open a window to ask the user to guess what is the best move. Or what is a decent move between difference balanced suites. Colours, evaluation, international signs, etc... Erverything could be imagine in a personnal repertoire.
Best regards
Parent - - By thebonemachine (*) [gb] Date 2012-04-02 10:24
I use Aquarium 100% for repertoire.  I would love it if this feature was added.

Also a percentage of games that were drawn in tree view would be extreemly usefull.  'Success' in tree view doesn't show me how many games were drawn. 50% success could be 500 wins & 500 losses, or just 1000 draws.

'draws' in tree view would enable me to choose lines to add to my repertoire that give me winning chances rather than drawish positions.
Parent - By Weirwindle (***) [us] Date 2012-04-02 14:46
"a percentage of games that were drawn in tree view would be extreemly usefull" +1
Actually a better structured and more interactive opening book configuration under "Opening book settings"
would be very nice. Aquarium gives very few clues of how to use this (besides looking under treeconfig.xml).
Parent - By Maxou93 (**) [fr] Date 2012-04-02 20:55
Dear Thebonemachine,
I also use a lot Aquarium for this particular approach of opening books. Not only for that but mainly. IDEA is great and unique in the world of chess assistance with machines. Make a own opening book and be able to enhanced it time to time is also very suited. I do gather all informations I can through books, games on the net, databases, training in any form, etc and then bring it as my "secrets" under my own book in Aquarium. That's the reason why I think that if it could be possible to complete the training with this wonderfull program, it will be great and absolutly unique in the world. I know that it is possible to train with an opening book, there is a program like this in ChessOK products. But to day nothing exist with your OWN book.
Best regards
Parent - - By mattchess (*) [us] Date 2012-04-09 01:41
Exactly why I love aquarium too.  Nothing else is as great at building my own personal tree.

Agree - it would be nice if success was converted to win/draw/loss %'s
Parent - By keoki010 (Bronze) [us] Date 2012-04-09 14:42
+1
Parent - - By Dadi Jonsson (Silver) [is] Date 2012-04-17 19:22

> Agree - it would be nice if success was converted to win/draw/loss %'s


I know that a 'Draw %' column is already on the developers' todo list.
Parent - By thebonemachine (*) [gb] Date 2012-04-18 21:00
That's great news. Draw % will help me build a better repertoire. I can't wait.
Parent - - By gregor (**) Date 2012-03-12 15:49
sounds great to me!
Parent - - By JhorAVi (***) [ph] Date 2012-03-14 20:30
Another suggestion is make a pocket Aquarium version for Android or iOS. It doesn't have to be as complex as the desktop version. Just make it read Opening Books and Database then it's fine.
Parent - By gregor (**) Date 2012-05-10 15:38
I am tempted to get one of these 7 or 8 inch tablets running Android.
Any chance for Aquarium to run on these machines in the not too distant future?
- - By PeterT [at] Date 2012-05-17 12:25
I am thinking about getting Aquarium 2011 but I am worried that they will release a new version in the near future and then I would have to pay up or be stuck with an outdated program. Are those concerns justified? :confused:
Parent - By Felix Kling (Gold) [de] Date 2012-05-17 12:35
no :)
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