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- - By Gizchehs Defender (***) [nl] Date 2012-04-11 12:35
Ok, I don't mean this to Discriminate the Tacticians under us, but why not Create an Official Classic Chess Variant ( Publicly spoken to the World ) where both Queens are gone straight from the beginning?
I'm sure that more people in the World already thought about this.

And it's nice for us because the game gets more Slowly, thus Strategic.

Strategical  Chess
Parent - - By Labyrinth (****) [us] Date 2012-04-11 15:51
I suppose so. The game can get rather drawish though.

Admittedly the Berlin Defense in which queens are exchanged can be strategically rich but many of those games end in draws anyways. In fact one of the criticisms of chess vs. Shogi/Xiang Qi is that when the queens are exchanged the game is much more likely to be a draw.

As a change to the current chess I thought that instead of chess960, maybe you could preserve the normalcy of the castling rules (castling is the weirdest part of 960 to me) by imposing a heuristic that the rooks remain on a1 and h1, and the king must be on either d1 or e1. The notation of castling "A-side" and "B-side" would still be used, and the white shuffle would mirror the black shuffle. Unfortunately with such a restriction imposed, the number of possible starting positions is reduced to a paltry 36 :-/
Parent - - By Gizchehs Defender (***) [nl] Date 2012-04-11 21:52
I was already doubting about Asian Chess and Especially Japanese Chess ( Shogi ) looks very Strategic.

If it pleases me, than Hail to the Japanese for this try ( but not for the Wales try.. )

As for Shuffle Chess ( and Chess 960 ), I agree that those are Inferior to Classic Chess ( provided that you take one Classic Chess Universe and one Shuffle Chess/Chess 960 Universe ).
Furthermore, it is a Fact that it is Inferior.

That's because of this: The inbalancement can be ' too Big ' in the Starting Position.
There are litterally Positions where White has a Significiant advantage already at the Beginning and Forces Black to make one Particulair Move one Turn 1.

Here is a Respectfull example to Support my statement which I met with Today:

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When Playing against Rybka from the Tarrasch Chess GUI, she always Puts her Knights at the Corners in this Position in the game first ( I am going to train on this Position I think, because it's so Immensively Diffecult for Black, and I am a Black Player )

What can Black do else than moving Pawn B and G one Square Forward, Creating an Uncomfortable Weakness for the Rooks, and Blocking the direct Developement for the Knights.
And how can Black Nicely Develope his Knight without Blocking it's Bishop and Rook?
I want to find out.

{ My right middlefinger hurts again :sad: }
Parent - - By Labyrinth (****) [us] Date 2012-04-12 03:11
I don't think 960 is so bad.. just maybe not as good as it could be.

One idea is to take the 'chess36' idea I mentioned and make white and black able to have different separate setups ala shuffle chess. I believe this results in 36*36, or 1296 possible starting positions. I am concerned that having the bishops next to one another may produce an advantage if the other side does not have feature it though.

As for that position it does look like black's position is uncomfortable, but it's still a starting position with enormous possibilities.
Parent - By Chess_Rambo (***) [at] Date 2012-04-12 06:00
I found it always a better idea to let the players place the pieces as they wish, within the usual restrictions. So the game would start with only the pawns on the board, then white places a bishop, black places a bishop, white places his second bishop on a differently coloured square, etc.

And the clock ticks already, while the players are thinking about their optimal setup.
Parent - - By Chess_Rambo (***) [at] Date 2012-04-12 05:50
Playing Xiangqi feels similar to chess, though it is a little bit more tactical in the opening, due to the cannons. I also tried Shogi, but it isn't my thing. I couldn't make sense of the opening, it is so slow, and than, when the attack on the king starts, it is pure tactics.

If you dislike tactics because you dislike nasty surprises, you could try Go or Arimaa. The positional features in both games are relatively durable, although the ability to read ahead is also a necessity.
Parent - By Gizchehs Defender (***) [nl] Date 2012-04-20 23:53
I have checked Arimaa by reading her Rules and Playing through a few games, but eventually Decided that it is not my thing.

Arimaa doesn't seems like a Game where you can make one perfect move.
Furthmore, you make a couple of moves in one Turn in a seemingly Chaotic State.
She does not seems to be Clarifying either, Typically a StereoType feature of Women :slim:

Now that you said the Universe of GO is a Stratagy game, I already knew of that Universum, but never tried it as I didn't know how to make good use of the Internet well in Relationship to GO, and I confused it with another game at first ( you know which :smile: ); And I also had other things in my head I think.
And Blockades.

GO seems very nice to me, Really to be Pleasured of due to it's Simplicity and also due to that I like Abstract ( and non-abstract ) art work. I like Figures either! ( best example are girls ).
More over, with GO Black Starts the game... With chess I only play Black as I like to Defend, now I can Defend with White!

I thank you much Rambo_Chess, for this Time!
Parent - - By Chess_Rambo (***) [at] Date 2012-04-11 17:22
Tactics is an enrichment of the game. You can always apply the strategy to trade the queens as soon as possible. :smile:
Parent - - By Gizchehs Defender (***) [nl] Date 2012-04-11 21:30 Edited 2012-04-11 21:53
lol is this a Joke :lol: ?
Parent - - By Chess_Rambo (***) [at] Date 2012-04-12 06:01
Who knows? :lol:
Parent - By Gizchehs Defender (***) [nl] Date 2012-04-18 22:46
At least you have Respect :cool:
Parent - - By JhorAVi (***) [ph] Date 2012-04-19 17:32
What are you talking about?  Chess is in the danger of Draw death and now you wanna make it even more drawish!  The solution is the opposite to your proposal such as "Capablanca chess" or "Gothic chess" that's by adding more tactical pieces.
Parent - - By Gizchehs Defender (***) [nl] Date 2012-04-20 23:23 Edited 2012-04-20 23:55
Has Chess been Really Studied so much that it is near to the Death due Draw?
Parent - By keoki010 (Bronze) [us] Date 2012-04-21 00:31
why don't you go there?
Parent - By Uly (Gold) [mx] Date 2012-04-21 05:08
Parent - By dragon49 (****) [us] Date 2012-04-21 20:11
Interesting proposal.  It would be more fun to add pieces and squares.
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