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Parent - By Schachmatt (****) [us] Date 2012-04-02 01:51 Edited 2012-04-02 02:07
12.f3 Kh8

I've looked at c5, b5, Rb1, a4, Qb3, Be3, and Ne6 and the first and the last at great depth.  Probably there are other moves.  In the latter, Black seems to equalize here.  But it is not a theoretically dead option; I found a few new ideas here although the top players seem to have abandoned this line, maybe the Bayonet in general at the moment, I do not know this for sure as relatively few champion the Black side.  Also, regarding 13. Be3 I have not been sufficiently thorough analyzing these positions to come to a clear assessment, although there has been much practice here ;i.e. according to the played theory, I am fine, but I haven't played around enough with the positions.

OTB I have mostly played 9...a5 to assure a game, I played c6 a few times, but I like it less in the postmortem, because the d6 point can be exposed quickly permanently, the idea was to play a5 and take with queen --- obviously White has clearer targets to play for in these sidelines and a +/=/= position, and objectively the main lines are the way to go.

More recently, I've been trying other setups v 1.d4 OTB to expand my knowledge, and I have had a few hard losses.  Not ideal, but a valuable experience.  Never liked symmetrical positions the most aesthetically, but I want to learn to play all the positions and structures.  Then I can learn how to transition between them. :surprised:  Been playing tournament chess actively for 3 years, but a year at about 2100, despite a higher frequency of scalps, a bit irritating, but studying [starting with my games....] and enjoying is all there is to do to improve, it's quite simple.

On 12.Bf3 c6, Black getting his play much easier.

12.Bf1...  xe4 Nf5 Nd4 Bf5 for Black maybe...  I'm going to bed soon, I've started rambling now.

Good point regarding Grunfeld on g3... although anything against g3 is good with the right moves.

Appreciate the feedback,
Matt
Parent - By Mark Eldridge (****) [gb] Date 2012-04-01 19:36
I was planning to play 0-0-0 but saw black has a better end game after that.
Parent - By Scott (****) Date 2012-04-01 21:14
I am very glad to have Nelson and Kappatoo commenting, it makes this just that much more fun.
Parent - - By Barnard (Bronze) Date 2012-04-01 16:48
thanks Schachmatt

from your last games,i saw your methods works,and your analisis went very deep

now im going into my game
Parent - By Mark Eldridge (****) [gb] Date 2012-04-01 19:37
Your correct Barnard his methods are indeed very good.
- By ChessPlanet Server Date 2012-04-01 16:25
[Event "WBCCC 2012"]
[White "Mark_Eldridge"]
[Black "Schachmatt"]

rnb1r1k1/ppp2pbp/6p1/3np1B1/2P1P3/5N2/PP2BPPP/R3K2R w KQ - 0 11

Game 189187. In progress
[WhiteTime "30 days, 0 hours, 0 minutes"]
[BlackTime "30 days, 0 hours, 0 minutes"]
[Moves "1.Nf3 Nf6 2.c4 g6 3.Nc3 Bg7 4.e4 d6 5.d4 O-O 6.Be2 e5 7.dxe5 dxe5 8.Qxd8 Rxd8 9.Bg5 Re8 10.Nd5 Nxd5"]
- By ChessPlanet Server Date 2012-04-01 16:30
[Event "WBCCC 2012"]
[White "Mark_Eldridge"]
[Black "Schachmatt"]

rnb1r1k1/ppp2pbp/6p1/3Pp1B1/4P3/5N2/PP2BPPP/R3K2R b KQ - 0 11

Game 189187. In progress
[WhiteTime "30 days, 0 hours, 0 minutes"]
[BlackTime "30 days, 0 hours, 0 minutes"]
[Moves "1.Nf3 Nf6 2.c4 g6 3.Nc3 Bg7 4.e4 d6 5.d4 O-O 6.Be2 e5 7.dxe5 dxe5 8.Qxd8 Rxd8 9.Bg5 Re8 10.Nd5 Nxd5 11.cxd5"]
- By ChessPlanet Server Date 2012-04-01 16:40
[Event "WBCCC 2012"]
[White "Mark_Eldridge"]
[Black "Schachmatt"]

rnb1r1k1/pp3pbp/2p3p1/3Pp1B1/4P3/5N2/PP2BPPP/R3K2R w KQ - 0 12

Game 189187. In progress
[WhiteTime "30 days, 0 hours, 0 minutes"]
[BlackTime "30 days, 0 hours, 0 minutes"]
[Moves "1.Nf3 Nf6 2.c4 g6 3.Nc3 Bg7 4.e4 d6 5.d4 O-O 6.Be2 e5 7.dxe5 dxe5 8.Qxd8 Rxd8 9.Bg5 Re8 10.Nd5 Nxd5 11.cxd5 c6"]
- By ChessPlanet Server Date 2012-04-01 16:50
[Event "WBCCC 2012"]
[White "Mark_Eldridge"]
[Black "Schachmatt"]

rnb1r1k1/pp3pbp/2p3p1/3Pp1B1/2B1P3/5N2/PP3PPP/R3K2R b KQ - 0 12

Game 189187. In progress
[WhiteTime "30 days, 0 hours, 0 minutes"]
[BlackTime "30 days, 0 hours, 0 minutes"]
[Moves "1.Nf3 Nf6 2.c4 g6 3.Nc3 Bg7 4.e4 d6 5.d4 O-O 6.Be2 e5 7.dxe5 dxe5 8.Qxd8 Rxd8 9.Bg5 Re8 10.Nd5 Nxd5 11.cxd5 c6 12.Bc4"]
- By ChessPlanet Server Date 2012-04-01 16:55
[Event "WBCCC 2012"]
[White "Mark_Eldridge"]
[Black "Schachmatt"]

rnb1r1k1/pp3pbp/6p1/3pp1B1/2B1P3/5N2/PP3PPP/R3K2R w KQ - 0 13

Game 189187. In progress
[WhiteTime "30 days, 0 hours, 0 minutes"]
[BlackTime "30 days, 0 hours, 0 minutes"]
[Moves "1.Nf3 Nf6 2.c4 g6 3.Nc3 Bg7 4.e4 d6 5.d4 O-O 6.Be2 e5 7.dxe5 dxe5 8.Qxd8 Rxd8 9.Bg5 Re8 10.Nd5 Nxd5 11.cxd5 c6 12.Bc4 cxd5"]
- By ChessPlanet Server Date 2012-04-01 17:05
[Event "WBCCC 2012"]
[White "Mark_Eldridge"]
[Black "Schachmatt"]

rnb1r1k1/pp3pbp/6p1/3Bp1B1/4P3/5N2/PP3PPP/R3K2R b KQ - 0 13

Game 189187. In progress
[WhiteTime "30 days, 0 hours, 0 minutes"]
[BlackTime "30 days, 0 hours, 0 minutes"]
[Moves "1.Nf3 Nf6 2.c4 g6 3.Nc3 Bg7 4.e4 d6 5.d4 O-O 6.Be2 e5 7.dxe5 dxe5 8.Qxd8 Rxd8 9.Bg5 Re8 10.Nd5 Nxd5 11.cxd5 c6 12.Bc4 cxd5 13.Bxd5"]
- By ChessPlanet Server Date 2012-04-01 17:15
[Event "WBCCC 2012"]
[White "Mark_Eldridge"]
[Black "Schachmatt"]

r1b1r1k1/pp1n1pbp/6p1/3Bp1B1/4P3/5N2/PP3PPP/R3K2R w KQ - 0 14

Game 189187. In progress
[WhiteTime "30 days, 0 hours, 0 minutes"]
[BlackTime "30 days, 0 hours, 0 minutes"]
[Moves "1.Nf3 Nf6 2.c4 g6 3.Nc3 Bg7 4.e4 d6 5.d4 O-O 6.Be2 e5 7.dxe5 dxe5 8.Qxd8 Rxd8 9.Bg5 Re8 10.Nd5 Nxd5 11.cxd5 c6 12.Bc4 cxd5 13.Bxd5 Nd7"]
- By Scott (****) Date 2012-04-01 17:21
I have also seen this position a lot since I am KID/Pirc player. I will watch this with keen interest.
- By ChessPlanet Server Date 2012-04-01 18:20
[Event "WBCCC 2012"]
[White "Mark_Eldridge"]
[Black "Schachmatt"]

r1b1r1k1/pp1n1pbp/6p1/3Bp1B1/4P3/8/PP1N1PPP/R3K2R b KQ - 0 14

Game 189187. In progress
[WhiteTime "29 days, 23 hours, 55 minutes"]
[BlackTime "30 days, 0 hours, 0 minutes"]
[Moves "1.Nf3 Nf6 2.c4 g6 3.Nc3 Bg7 4.e4 d6 5.d4 O-O 6.Be2 e5 7.dxe5 dxe5 8.Qxd8 Rxd8 9.Bg5 Re8 10.Nd5 Nxd5 11.cxd5 c6 12.Bc4 cxd5 13.Bxd5 Nd7 14.Nd2"]
- By ChessPlanet Server Date 2012-04-01 18:30
[Event "WBCCC 2012"]
[White "Mark_Eldridge"]
[Black "Schachmatt"]

r1b1r1k1/pp3pbp/6p1/2nBp1B1/4P3/8/PP1N1PPP/R3K2R w KQ - 0 15

Game 189187. In progress
[WhiteTime "29 days, 23 hours, 55 minutes"]
[BlackTime "30 days, 0 hours, 0 minutes"]
[Moves "1.Nf3 Nf6 2.c4 g6 3.Nc3 Bg7 4.e4 d6 5.d4 O-O 6.Be2 e5 7.dxe5 dxe5 8.Qxd8 Rxd8 9.Bg5 Re8 10.Nd5 Nxd5 11.cxd5 c6 12.Bc4 cxd5 13.Bxd5 Nd7 14.Nd2 Nc5"]
- By ChessPlanet Server Date 2012-04-01 18:50
[Event "WBCCC 2012"]
[White "Mark_Eldridge"]
[Black "Schachmatt"]

r1b1r1k1/pp3pbp/6p1/2nBp1B1/2N1P3/8/PP3PPP/R3K2R b KQ - 0 15

Game 189187. In progress
[WhiteTime "30 days, 0 hours, 0 minutes"]
[BlackTime "30 days, 0 hours, 0 minutes"]
[Moves "1.Nf3 Nf6 2.c4 g6 3.Nc3 Bg7 4.e4 d6 5.d4 O-O 6.Be2 e5 7.dxe5 dxe5 8.Qxd8 Rxd8 9.Bg5 Re8 10.Nd5 Nxd5 11.cxd5 c6 12.Bc4 cxd5 13.Bxd5 Nd7 14.Nd2 Nc5 15.Nc4"]
- By ChessPlanet Server Date 2012-04-01 19:10
[Event "WBCCC 2012"]
[White "Mark_Eldridge"]
[Black "Schachmatt"]

r1b1rbk1/pp3p1p/6p1/2nBp1B1/2N1P3/8/PP3PPP/R3K2R w KQ - 0 16

Game 189187. In progress
[WhiteTime "30 days, 0 hours, 0 minutes"]
[BlackTime "30 days, 0 hours, 0 minutes"]
[Moves "1.Nf3 Nf6 2.c4 g6 3.Nc3 Bg7 4.e4 d6 5.d4 O-O 6.Be2 e5 7.dxe5 dxe5 8.Qxd8 Rxd8 9.Bg5 Re8 10.Nd5 Nxd5 11.cxd5 c6 12.Bc4 cxd5 13.Bxd5 Nd7 14.Nd2 Nc5 15.Nc4 Bf8"]
- - By ChessPlanet Server Date 2012-04-01 19:30
[Event "WBCCC 2012"]
[White "Mark_Eldridge"]
[Black "Schachmatt"]

r1b1rbk1/pp3p1p/6p1/2nBp1B1/2N1P3/8/PP3PPP/R4RK1 b - - 0 16

Game 189187. In progress
[WhiteTime "30 days, 0 hours, 0 minutes"]
[BlackTime "30 days, 0 hours, 0 minutes"]
[Moves "1.Nf3 Nf6 2.c4 g6 3.Nc3 Bg7 4.e4 d6 5.d4 O-O 6.Be2 e5 7.dxe5 dxe5 8.Qxd8 Rxd8 9.Bg5 Re8 10.Nd5 Nxd5 11.cxd5 c6 12.Bc4 cxd5 13.Bxd5 Nd7 14.Nd2 Nc5 15.Nc4 Bf8 16.O-O"]
Parent - - By Nelson Hernandez (Silver) [us] Date 2012-04-01 19:41 Edited 2012-04-01 19:49
Black with 52.0% and 72.0% draws.

I would have considered 12.O-O-O which appears very slightly preferable to 12.Bc4.  Statistically they look almost the same (though queenside castle is much rarer) but the evaluation, at least superficially, seems to favor it.
Parent - - By Mark Eldridge (****) [gb] Date 2012-04-01 21:21
I think your find the evaluation favours black after 12.0-0-0 that is why i did not play it.
Parent - By Nelson Hernandez (Silver) [us] Date 2012-04-01 22:59
OK, I'll buy that.
- By ChessPlanet Server Date 2012-04-01 20:00
[Event "WBCCC 2012"]
[White "Mark_Eldridge"]
[Black "Schachmatt"]

r3rbk1/pp3p1p/4b1p1/2nBp1B1/2N1P3/8/PP3PPP/R4RK1 w - - 0 17

Game 189187. In progress
[WhiteTime "30 days, 0 hours, 0 minutes"]
[BlackTime "30 days, 0 hours, 0 minutes"]
[Moves "1.Nf3 Nf6 2.c4 g6 3.Nc3 Bg7 4.e4 d6 5.d4 O-O 6.Be2 e5 7.dxe5 dxe5 8.Qxd8 Rxd8 9.Bg5 Re8 10.Nd5 Nxd5 11.cxd5 c6 12.Bc4 cxd5 13.Bxd5 Nd7 14.Nd2 Nc5 15.Nc4 Bf8 16.O-O Be6"]
- - By ChessPlanet Server Date 2012-04-01 20:20
[Event "WBCCC 2012"]
[White "Mark_Eldridge"]
[Black "Schachmatt"]

r3rbk1/pp3p1p/4b1p1/2nBp1B1/2N1P3/8/PP3PPP/R2R2K1 b - - 0 17

Game 189187. In progress
[WhiteTime "30 days, 0 hours, 0 minutes"]
[BlackTime "30 days, 0 hours, 0 minutes"]
[Moves "1.Nf3 Nf6 2.c4 g6 3.Nc3 Bg7 4.e4 d6 5.d4 O-O 6.Be2 e5 7.dxe5 dxe5 8.Qxd8 Rxd8 9.Bg5 Re8 10.Nd5 Nxd5 11.cxd5 c6 12.Bc4 cxd5 13.Bxd5 Nd7 14.Nd2 Nc5 15.Nc4 Bf8 16.O-O Be6 17.Rfd1"]
Parent - - By Mark Eldridge (****) [gb] Date 2012-04-01 20:27
What are the stats Nelson.
Parent - By Schachmatt (****) [us] Date 2012-04-01 20:46 Edited 2012-04-01 20:53
Undoubtedly I will be playing Rac8 bc your 2 v 1 on the queenside possible if ...xe4, but I will take my time now... however, Bxd5 is at least worth a look...
Parent - - By Nelson Hernandez (Silver) [us] Date 2012-04-01 20:31
Black with 44.4% and 88.9% draws.  Yes, the number of games left is divisible by nine.
Parent - - By Uly (Gold) [mx] Date 2012-04-01 20:43
Wow, already inside the draw singularity?
Parent - By Nelson Hernandez (Silver) [us] Date 2012-04-01 22:57
Yes, but I wouldn't assign that high a probability.  There's a world of difference between 89% draws when you have a thousand games and when you have something in the double-digits.
Parent - By Mark Eldridge (****) [gb] Date 2012-04-01 21:02
Thank you Sir.
- By ChessPlanet Server Date 2012-04-02 17:10
[Event "WBCCC 2012"]
[White "Mark_Eldridge"]
[Black "Schachmatt"]

2r1rbk1/pp3p1p/4b1p1/2nBp1B1/2N1P3/8/PP3PPP/2RR2K1 b - - 0 18

Game 189187. In progress
[WhiteTime "29 days, 8 hours, 21 minutes"]
[BlackTime "29 days, 20 hours, 48 minutes"]
[Moves "1.Nf3 Nf6 2.c4 g6 3.Nc3 Bg7 4.e4 d6 5.d4 O-O 6.Be2 e5 7.dxe5 dxe5 8.Qxd8 Rxd8 9.Bg5 Re8 10.Nd5 Nxd5 11.cxd5 c6 12.Bc4 cxd5 13.Bxd5 Nd7 14.Nd2 Nc5 15.Nc4 Bf8 16.O-O Be6 17.Rfd1 Rac8 18.Rac1"]
- - By ChessPlanet Server Date 2012-04-02 18:20
[Event "WBCCC 2012"]
[White "Mark_Eldridge"]
[Black "Schachmatt"]

2r1rbk1/p4p1p/1p2b1p1/2nBp1B1/2N1P3/8/PP3PPP/2RR2K1 w - - 0 19

Game 189187. In progress
[WhiteTime "29 days, 8 hours, 21 minutes"]
[BlackTime "29 days, 20 hours, 41 minutes"]
[Moves "1.Nf3 Nf6 2.c4 g6 3.Nc3 Bg7 4.e4 d6 5.d4 O-O 6.Be2 e5 7.dxe5 dxe5 8.Qxd8 Rxd8 9.Bg5 Re8 10.Nd5 Nxd5 11.cxd5 c6 12.Bc4 cxd5 13.Bxd5 Nd7 14.Nd2 Nc5 15.Nc4 Bf8 16.O-O Be6 17.Rfd1 Rac8 18.Rac1 b6"]
Parent - By Nelson Hernandez (Silver) [us] Date 2012-04-02 21:58
Three games left in book, all drawn.
- - By ChessPlanet Server Date 2012-04-02 19:10
[Event "WBCCC 2012"]
[White "Mark_Eldridge"]
[Black "Schachmatt"]

2r1rbk1/p4p1p/1p2b1p1/2nBp1B1/2N1P3/5P2/PP4PP/2RR2K1 b - - 0 19

Game 189187. In progress
[WhiteTime "29 days, 8 hours, 29 minutes"]
[BlackTime "29 days, 20 hours, 41 minutes"]
[Moves "1.Nf3 Nf6 2.c4 g6 3.Nc3 Bg7 4.e4 d6 5.d4 O-O 6.Be2 e5 7.dxe5 dxe5 8.Qxd8 Rxd8 9.Bg5 Re8 10.Nd5 Nxd5 11.cxd5 c6 12.Bc4 cxd5 13.Bxd5 Nd7 14.Nd2 Nc5 15.Nc4 Bf8 16.O-O Be6 17.Rfd1 Rac8 18.Rac1 b6 19.f3"]
Parent - By Nelson Hernandez (Silver) [us] Date 2012-04-02 21:58
Two games, both drawn.
- By ChessPlanet Server Date 2012-04-02 19:55
[Event "WBCCC 2012"]
[White "Mark_Eldridge"]
[Black "Schachmatt"]

2r1rbk1/p4p1p/1p4p1/2nbp1B1/2N1P3/5P2/PP4PP/2RR2K1 w - - 0 20

Game 189187. In progress
[WhiteTime "29 days, 8 hours, 29 minutes"]
[BlackTime "29 days, 20 hours, 58 minutes"]
[Moves "1.Nf3 Nf6 2.c4 g6 3.Nc3 Bg7 4.e4 d6 5.d4 O-O 6.Be2 e5 7.dxe5 dxe5 8.Qxd8 Rxd8 9.Bg5 Re8 10.Nd5 Nxd5 11.cxd5 c6 12.Bc4 cxd5 13.Bxd5 Nd7 14.Nd2 Nc5 15.Nc4 Bf8 16.O-O Be6 17.Rfd1 Rac8 18.Rac1 b6 19.f3 Bxd5"]
- By ChessPlanet Server Date 2012-04-02 20:25
[Event "WBCCC 2012"]
[White "Mark_Eldridge"]
[Black "Schachmatt"]

2r1rbk1/p4p1p/1p4p1/2nRp1B1/2N1P3/5P2/PP4PP/2R3K1 b - - 0 20

Game 189187. In progress
[WhiteTime "29 days, 9 hours, 1 minutes"]
[BlackTime "29 days, 20 hours, 58 minutes"]
[Moves "1.Nf3 Nf6 2.c4 g6 3.Nc3 Bg7 4.e4 d6 5.d4 O-O 6.Be2 e5 7.dxe5 dxe5 8.Qxd8 Rxd8 9.Bg5 Re8 10.Nd5 Nxd5 11.cxd5 c6 12.Bc4 cxd5 13.Bxd5 Nd7 14.Nd2 Nc5 15.Nc4 Bf8 16.O-O Be6 17.Rfd1 Rac8 18.Rac1 b6 19.f3 Bxd5 20.Rxd5"]
- - By ChessPlanet Server Date 2012-04-02 21:00
[Event "WBCCC 2012"]
[White "Mark_Eldridge"]
[Black "Schachmatt"]

2r1rbk1/p4p1p/1p2n1p1/3Rp1B1/2N1P3/5P2/PP4PP/2R3K1 w - - 0 21

Game 189187. In progress
[WhiteTime "29 days, 9 hours, 1 minutes"]
[BlackTime "29 days, 21 hours, 19 minutes"]
[Moves "1.Nf3 Nf6 2.c4 g6 3.Nc3 Bg7 4.e4 d6 5.d4 O-O 6.Be2 e5 7.dxe5 dxe5 8.Qxd8 Rxd8 9.Bg5 Re8 10.Nd5 Nxd5 11.cxd5 c6 12.Bc4 cxd5 13.Bxd5 Nd7 14.Nd2 Nc5 15.Nc4 Bf8 16.O-O Be6 17.Rfd1 Rac8 18.Rac1 b6 19.f3 Bxd5 20.Rxd5 Ne6"]
Parent - By Nelson Hernandez (Silver) [us] Date 2012-04-02 21:59
Still two games, both drawn.
- By Scott (****) Date 2012-04-02 21:34
This looks pretty dead even IMHO. And not much chance of changing it.
- By ChessPlanet Server Date 2012-04-02 21:45
[Event "WBCCC 2012"]
[White "Mark_Eldridge"]
[Black "Schachmatt"]

2r1rbk1/p4p1p/1p2n1p1/3Rp3/2N1P3/4BP2/PP4PP/2R3K1 b - - 0 21

Game 189187. In progress
[WhiteTime "29 days, 9 hours, 19 minutes"]
[BlackTime "29 days, 21 hours, 19 minutes"]
[Moves "1.Nf3 Nf6 2.c4 g6 3.Nc3 Bg7 4.e4 d6 5.d4 O-O 6.Be2 e5 7.dxe5 dxe5 8.Qxd8 Rxd8 9.Bg5 Re8 10.Nd5 Nxd5 11.cxd5 c6 12.Bc4 cxd5 13.Bxd5 Nd7 14.Nd2 Nc5 15.Nc4 Bf8 16.O-O Be6 17.Rfd1 Rac8 18.Rac1 b6 19.f3 Bxd5 20.Rxd5 Ne6 21.Be3"]
- - By ChessPlanet Server Date 2012-04-02 21:55
[Event "WBCCC 2012"]
[White "Mark_Eldridge"]
[Black "Schachmatt"]

2r1rbk1/p6p/1p2npp1/3Rp3/2N1P3/4BP2/PP4PP/2R3K1 w - - 0 22

Game 189187. In progress
[WhiteTime "29 days, 9 hours, 19 minutes"]
[BlackTime "29 days, 22 hours, 9 minutes"]
[Moves "1.Nf3 Nf6 2.c4 g6 3.Nc3 Bg7 4.e4 d6 5.d4 O-O 6.Be2 e5 7.dxe5 dxe5 8.Qxd8 Rxd8 9.Bg5 Re8 10.Nd5 Nxd5 11.cxd5 c6 12.Bc4 cxd5 13.Bxd5 Nd7 14.Nd2 Nc5 15.Nc4 Bf8 16.O-O Be6 17.Rfd1 Rac8 18.Rac1 b6 19.f3 Bxd5 20.Rxd5 Ne6 21.Be3 f6"]
Parent - By Nelson Hernandez (Silver) [us] Date 2012-04-02 22:00
Still two games, both drawn, but with the next move we will either be out of book or down to one game.  First seen in Leffe, Deep Rybka 4-Global Player, Spark 1.0, 1/2-1/2, 2010.12.10.
- - By ChessPlanet Server Date 2012-04-02 22:05
[Event "WBCCC 2012"]
[White "Mark_Eldridge"]
[Black "Schachmatt"]

2r1rbk1/p6p/1p2npp1/3Rp3/2N1P3/4BP2/PP3KPP/2R5 b - - 0 22

Game 189187. In progress
[WhiteTime "29 days, 10 hours, 11 minutes"]
[BlackTime "29 days, 22 hours, 9 minutes"]
[Moves "1.Nf3 Nf6 2.c4 g6 3.Nc3 Bg7 4.e4 d6 5.d4 O-O 6.Be2 e5 7.dxe5 dxe5 8.Qxd8 Rxd8 9.Bg5 Re8 10.Nd5 Nxd5 11.cxd5 c6 12.Bc4 cxd5 13.Bxd5 Nd7 14.Nd2 Nc5 15.Nc4 Bf8 16.O-O Be6 17.Rfd1 Rac8 18.Rac1 b6 19.f3 Bxd5 20.Rxd5 Ne6 21.Be3 f6 22.Kf2"]
Parent - By Nelson Hernandez (Silver) [us] Date 2012-04-02 22:23
Down to one game, Andromede33, Deep Rybka 4-Jabjab1, Houdini 1.5a, 1/2-1/2, 2011.03.13.
- - By ChessPlanet Server Date 2012-04-02 22:35
[Event "WBCCC 2012"]
[White "Mark_Eldridge"]
[Black "Schachmatt"]

2rr1bk1/p6p/1p2npp1/3Rp3/2N1P3/4BP2/PP3KPP/2R5 w - - 0 23

Game 189187. In progress
[WhiteTime "29 days, 10 hours, 11 minutes"]
[BlackTime "29 days, 22 hours, 35 minutes"]
[Moves "1.Nf3 Nf6 2.c4 g6 3.Nc3 Bg7 4.e4 d6 5.d4 O-O 6.Be2 e5 7.dxe5 dxe5 8.Qxd8 Rxd8 9.Bg5 Re8 10.Nd5 Nxd5 11.cxd5 c6 12.Bc4 cxd5 13.Bxd5 Nd7 14.Nd2 Nc5 15.Nc4 Bf8 16.O-O Be6 17.Rfd1 Rac8 18.Rac1 b6 19.f3 Bxd5 20.Rxd5 Ne6 21.Be3 f6 22.Kf2 Red8"]
Parent - - By Wrath of the Titans (****) [sa] Date 2012-04-03 00:35
Pawn is symmetrical, very hard to squeeze a win.
Parent - By Schachmatt (****) [us] Date 2012-04-03 03:20 Edited 2012-04-03 03:40
Objectively I think Black is just the slightest shade better should we play things to the bitter end, but in engine evaluation terms, I may rate myself ahead a few one-hundredths of a pawn. :roll:  I learned a few things on the endgames stemming from the Exchange variation based on this game and will check Black's 9th move alternatives although I studied them before and did not like them more than 9...Re8, which will likely prove the most reliable. 

Black can play a Modern move order to get a KID type position without actually playing a pure KID, it's discussed in Tiger's Modern but that's the one chapter I have not looked at yet, the last one (bc I play the KID) if Black wishes to play something different and it's something for me to look into, especially since a IM had a gorgeous win against me recently in such a line and it really was not so clear where things went awry during the game (as it seems in the best case I would have to consolidate into a bad endgame) and even afterwards although in part his great quality of play was in part preparation (bc he had played it successfully against a strong GM before and bc I had beaten him in rapid chess in a similar line on the previous occasion basically bc he preferred to play pawn down rather than concede a draw and I played well though nothing special but more importantly gained a huge time advantage so I could take my time when needed).  Plus Black has to be prepared for the early capture on e5 or an early h4 in a few positions, if the knight develops to e7 rather than f6, often with the idea of Ne7-c6, and the Bg7, Pe5, and Nc6 hitting d4.  I guess I should just post the game, I thought it a good one.  The move orders are a bit tricky early, but should I work things out, maybe I shall try it this tournament --- yet, I think I will be choosing my Black openings based on what I last studied at least somewhat thoroughly as a sort of test of my studies, and I have some time to improve quite a bit until I play the World Open, but after that my life will get a lot more busy and unfortunately little time for OTB chess for a long while...

[edit: yes i look at my games more than this... but usually put inside game pgn my openings db file first, unless not a relevant game to my theory, and yes, my calculations during the game i thought quite insufficient]
Attachment: IppovMJO.pgn - Interesting KID-structure positions may occur... should have played f6 earlier etc!! (5k)
Parent - - By ppipper (*****) [es] Date 2012-04-03 01:16
I admit I would have played slowly in several Black moves and one white move.
Parent - By Schachmatt (****) [us] Date 2012-04-03 03:59
White may have a chance to mix things up a bit here, or the game will probably terminate after massive trades.  In either case, the result is not in doubt except if some terrible blunders.  Of all the variations of the King's Indian, the Exchange here is the one I have given the most study to, simply because it is good to know how to play endgames and because losing in the exchange variation would be rather sad, OTB this has only happened to me once ever.  I had until Be6 in my opening AN in this game, but things were not quite as simple as I thought for a few moves after Nc4 Bf8, so it is a good review for me.
Parent - By Nelson Hernandez (Silver) [us] Date 2012-04-03 20:27
Novelty move.  The previously cited game played 22...Rc6.
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