No Name Loc Total Result Name Loc Total
1 DAVID_EVANS, (5) 2281 [1.5] : ULY, (6) 2279 [1.5]
2 PPIPPER, (1) 2509  : PRODIGYX, (19) [1.5]
3 ARMAGEDDONX, (16) 2082  : NATIONAL12, (2) 2380 
4 SEBASTIAN_BOEHME, (3) 2358  : SCOTT_NICHOLS, (15) 2084 
5 DAZZLEKNIGHT2010, (20)  : RUBEN_COMES, (4) 2347 
6 INDRAJIT_SG, (12) 2136  : MARK_ELDRIDGE, (8) 2176 
7 KEOKI010, (9) 2169  : BARNARD, (11) 2150 
8 SCHACHMATT, (14) 2125  : OMPRAKASH, (10) 2162 
9 DEKA, (18) 2006 [.5] : NATMAKU, (13) 2127 
No Name Loc Total Result Name Loc Total
1 PRODIGYX, (19) [1.5] : DAVID_EVANS, (5) 2281 [1.5]
2 ULY, (6) 2279 [1.5] : SEBASTIAN_BOEHME, (3) 2358 
3 SCOTT_NICHOLS, (15) 2084  : PPIPPER, (1) 2509 
4 NATIONAL12, (2) 2380  : DAZZLEKNIGHT2010, (20) 
5 RUBEN_COMES, (4) 2347  : ARMAGEDDONX, (16) 2082 
6 MARK_ELDRIDGE, (8) 2176  : SCHACHMATT, (14) 2125 
7 NATMAKU, (13) 2127  : KEOKI010, (9) 2169 
8 OMPRAKASH, (10) 2162  : INDRAJIT_SG, (12) 2136 
9 BARNARD, (11) 2150  : DEKA, (18) 2006 [.5]
Seed number same as in pairings above and common opening moves were excluded (moves not given an engine assessment were not considered).
E/G Corr Seed
E/G Corr = (mpc1 + mpc2) / tm where
m = moves [total - common*]
pc = percent
tm = (m1 + m2)
common* = not engine-analyzed
Anyway, my formulas are right, it's possible I made a numbers error, but on checking the numbers make sense.
I excluded the Marshall game from my analysis as that game never left theory. I will guess top GM games would have avg E/G output of approximately .55-60 but will check this sometime. These values in part depend on the position of course. natmaku-ppipper had the lowest Engine/Game (move) Correspondence in part because the positions were closed so there may have been many viable options possible in more positions than is normal.
EDIT: by the way, a very rough E/G Corr avg. value for this tournament is .588, if you sum the E/G values / # participants.
It's a very interesting test, here's them ordered from highest to lowest:
english attack, yummy
ruy lopez, yummy
okay, given my words of confidence my opponent won't play those lines so i don't have to prepare anything.
number between 0-1 refers to engine/game correspondence.
the engine used for the analysis was critter 1.4 on weak hardware, running on 5 s --- however the let's check feature includes analyses from the online dbs (some CB online server somewhere), I do not know how the values are obtained for E/G correspondence for a single player on a single game --- if these Engine values are specific to the move preferred by my engine or by all engines that have assessed the position --- the E/G value is a statistic given at the end of the let's check process.
So basically if I chose all my non-opening moves using the top choice of critter 1.4 on my weak hardware for my WBCCC games, I may have an engine/game correspondence value of 1 with respect to the critter 1.4 engine.
Most of the positions in the games played in this tournament had never been analyzed before, but a few in the late opening, early middlegame have, and it seems a few players or spectators did use the let's check feature during their games as I could find some engine analysis output on some positions from a few of the games.
edit: what do the results mean? A: the conclusions that can be drawn from such an analysis is limited [as it is difficult if not impossible to isolate and define variables that affect move correlation between the game selected move and the engine selected move]. Higher E/G values may imply tendency for a player to play sharper positions or a more engine-like style among other factors.
well,even if i have Fritz 13,i havent lets check running,so im not who is uploading the analisis to the server
well,from the games i played here (or the games i played at other sites like LSS,and everyone registered can see),i always play agressive openings (or if you preffer,sharper or wild positions),so in my games,usually you will see that correlation
and for the engines,i use mainly Houdini,Stockfish,Critter,HIARCS and Junior...i dont use (and i wont use) rybka...so people trying to guess my moves using rybka,are wasting their time
Edit: I just found out Kasparov is visiting a school a hour away from me next week and free to the public, seriously, and open to questions and meeting people, maybe a friend or I could ask him? I know that Kasparov lent some of his analyses to Hikaru, but I suppose he was paid quite a lot to do that. Some promising young players in the US I know have had some training with him, you can see some snippets of what they had to say on the experience via the uscf website I think. Besides Kasparov's annotated games via his books, some of which is published in chessbase formats apparently are more interesting than what he has to say in general - he is quite thorough in his analysis, this is his major contribution to chess.
>Actually I did upload a little bit of analysis when I was trying out the let's check feature to the server in the opening I intend to play against Mark if he will let me. So hopefully Mark will >check and trust the analysis uploaded, given that it is most accurate
i have '2 versions' of fritz 13:the version that i bought,and the cracked version...and you will ask,if you bought (and paid) fritz 13,why you want the cracked version of the GUI?easy answer:because the cracked version of the GUI is ALL THE SAME,BUT THE FUNCTION LETS CHECK IS DISABLED so there isnt any danger to upload any of your opening novelties
so i use the cracked version for analisis to avoid uploading anything to the servers,and the 'normal' version when im playing informal chess
Of course you bought (paid) the software, like I assume we all did.
The fact is that, regardless that you bought a legal copy, it is not a good idea to post about the (possible) advantages of cracked and illegal versions in public forums. In such a case, one should also post about the disadvantages and damages that these version are in fact causing. Not to mention that it might be a dangerous example and influence for other people reading the forum.
Sorry for being agree with censorship in this case. Just my opinion.
now i will explain you my personal experience
i bought Fritz 13,only for the 'lets check' feature
when i downloaded and installed,i saw the feature is what i want...but when i try to disable the feature,i cant;when i close the GUI,and i open again,the feature was 'on',so in the case i forget,my analisis will send to the server.i wrote to chessbase,and they answered me telling i cant disable that feature,and that annoyed me,because i wouldnt always the feature on,only when i want
now more problems,randomly,my PAID version of Fritz 13,become unregistered,so i registered again,with my serial number,activated again...AND ANOTHER TIME,BECOME UNREGISTERED...when i activated 3 times the program,and become unregistered again,i tried to activate the software,but i was unable.i wrote really upset to chessbase,telling them that i never uninstalled my software,or installed in another computer,so why it was unregistered alone,and why 4 times!they,after a lot of emails,reset the 3 times activations to 0,and i reinstall my software again...about a few days ago,the program becone unregistered again!!i wrote to the technical support of chessbase,and they answered me 1 week later!they told me they doesnt know why the software on my computer unregister itself,reset the activation s again to 0 (i only activated 1 time,but i told them to reset),and activate the software again...less than 2 weeks later,fritz 13 unregistered itself alone agian!and I,tired of writing them and waiting one week to solve my problems,decided to use the cracked version,because it doesnt give me any problemand also disable the lets check feature,that annoys me sending my analisis when i deactivate it
now,and reading it,do you think im trying to make others use that software,or i had valid reasons to use it?be honest with your answer ppipper
p.s. you can answer me by pm if you wouldnt answer here at public
As for the rest... forget about F13 and its lack of customer service and go for a serious GUI. My advice is Aquarium
I am to old now.
> 6 months??Aquarium is so hard to learn??omg
Spent about 2 years with it. Never learned to use it.
Are you serious? You are much credited by aqua development team go to "about" you will see your name there.
How I wish to become a beta tester
> Uly,are you serious about that 2 years?
Yes, I don't actually know exactly how much, should at least been 1 year and a half (it could be much more than 2 years). I used it since IDEA was in alpha testing stages till about the end development of Aquarium 2010.
I used Aquarium for my correspondence games during this time period and lost all of them. I also had concurrent games in where I didn't use Aquarium, and it was clear my performance was better.
This was mainly about the use of IDEA, and time saved when doing something (what is being called "pixel counting") so that it would be slow to try to use IDEA and Infinite Analysis together, and it was faster to use IDEA and Infinite Analysis of Shredder GUI together (yes, two GUIs opened at the same time was faster than just Aquarium, because switching windows and putting IA ON in Shredder was faster than switching modes and putting IA ON in Aquarium with the mouse).
I don't know what natmaku means when he says I was trying to use it for something it wasn't designed for, wasn't it designed to play correspondence chess games with the help of IDEA? Because that's what I tried, and failed.
Of course, one can't blame the GUI totally for that, as other people did learn to use it and in much shorter time (I've seen "2 months to learn to use Aquarium" mentioned), which could mean user fault in my case, but I still would like to mention my experience so that people are aware that hard work trying to use Aquarium, and lengthened experience using it does not guarantee that you will learn to use it effectively and does not guarantee that it will improve your performance. It could also do the opposite as if you fail to use it, the time learning was wasted.
As I said previously all analysis features that can be done with those GUIs can be learned in Aquarium in less than 60 minutes.
In current Aq version, it doesn't make sense to differentiate between IA and IDeA, since it is fully integrated.
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