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- - By wight054 (***) [us] Date 2012-03-30 01:42
Your dream computer setup ?

Notebooks?

Laptops ?

Desktop ?

Cluster ?

Main Frame ?

Also please add what componants you would have in it.Also please add links to the componants !
Parent - - By Barnard (Bronze) Date 2012-03-30 02:48
here is my 'cluster' dream :lol:

http://www.fujitsu.com/global/news/pr/archives/month/2011/20111114-02.html

components?oh,cheap...88128 cpu's and a electric bill of $9.5 M/year ,with a power comsumption of 9.9 Megawatts,and able to calculate 8.16 quadrillion operations a second
Parent - - By Fritz202 (**) [us] Date 2012-03-30 07:47
Maybe Bill Gates will give you a loan? :lol:
Parent - By Barnard (Bronze) Date 2012-03-30 23:20
a loan?i have the money on my bank account :lol:
Parent - - By NATIONAL12 (Gold) [gb] Date 2012-03-30 23:23
wish Bill Gates would give me a loan,he wont get it back though.:smile:
Parent - - By Barnard (Bronze) Date 2012-03-31 02:23
i really doubt that Bill gives loans;i think his philanthopy is only because he doesnt know what to do with his money...
Parent - - By NATIONAL12 (Gold) [gb] Date 2012-03-31 02:26
i dont know what to do with little i have but whores are a tempting proposition.
Parent - - By Banned for Life (Gold) Date 2012-03-31 02:27
Always a good choice! :lol:
Parent - By Barnard (Bronze) Date 2012-03-31 02:34
you have to introduce me to that priest :lol:

very very smart guy
Parent - By Barnard (Bronze) Date 2012-03-31 02:31
+1 :lol:
Parent - By Nelson Hernandez (Silver) [us] Date 2012-04-03 01:48
Aha, the Bangkok angle again...
Parent - - By siah (***) Date 2012-03-31 06:06
What will be the kilo nodes on this supercomputer? and first depth it appears.
Parent - - By Barnard (Bronze) Date 2012-03-31 16:55
i dont know,it will be pure speculation;but lets asume that every doubling cores,you scale 1,65 speed

so in a lets say quad 2.0 Gh,you can have (speculation,i have only a 2 core) 6.000 kn/s

2^16 --- > 65.536 cores

4 cores ---> 6.000 kn/s

super computer: 65.536 ---> 15.090.828 kn/s

that supercomputer has 88.128 cores,so the 34,5 % of the cores that are missing you can assume is for ineficiency,or something similar

p.s. i can be totally wrong,since i dont know the speed of the cores of the supercomputer,and even knowing the speed,if the cores are useful for chess (the same speed for Intel and AMD,you will have worst results with the AMD chips)
Parent - - By siah (***) Date 2012-04-02 06:51
15 Gn/s, I think we should do an engine match with such supercomputer to see the game. between houdini and stockfish.
Parent - By Barnard (Bronze) Date 2012-04-02 18:12
yes my friend,15 Gn/s of speed...but is pure speculation,as you can understand
Parent - By Uly (Gold) [mx] Date 2012-03-30 02:54
If money was not an issue I wouldn't use it on a computer upgrade :lol:
Parent - - By Labyrinth (****) [us] Date 2012-03-30 06:38
It would be very interesting to run a chess engine on an SGI Altix 256 CPU system, which fits these into a single system image when running Windows Server 2008r2. No cluster software needed.

With linux and a native linux binary you could use up to 2048 CPUs which could also be quite interesting, but I seriously doubt any engine can scale that particularly well.

If money was no object though I'd look into customized hardware for everything from displays to input devices to high integer calculating CPUs.
Parent - - By Regularuser (***) [gb] Date 2012-03-30 08:29
And then offer Kramnik, Anand, Kaufmann, Vas and Robert Houdart so much money that they sit in a room for two years to produce new software to run on the hardware.
Parent - - By Barnard (Bronze) Date 2012-03-30 23:19
if you have Kramnik,Anand,and you can have Carlsen and Topalov to improve the chess engine,why you need Kaufmann?respecting Kaufmann,the others are much stronger and know much mre chess than him
Parent - - By Banned for Life (Gold) Date 2012-03-31 00:25
You need Kaufman because he actually evaluates positions the way the engine does, rather than relying on pattern recognition skills like K, A, C, and T do. I can assure you that those elite GMs will not be going through imbalance formulas like Larry would be in his games.

It's not just how much chess you know, it's how much you can relate to a piece of silicon! :lol:
Parent - - By Barnard (Bronze) Date 2012-03-31 00:45

>It's not just how much chess you know, it's how much you can relate to a piece of silicon!


well,so if we have Kaufmann,why we need Kramnik,Anand etc...?
Parent - - By Banned for Life (Gold) Date 2012-03-31 02:09
To tell Larry when his formulas are all f'd up? :lol: It would be interesting to hear from Larry whether he thought these guys could help him. He would probably say yes, just as a courtesy though...
Parent - - By Barnard (Bronze) Date 2012-03-31 02:19
after your simply answer,i feel really stupid :red:

well,i think that if Larry 'knows' how implement that knowledge into the program,because he knows how the program 'thinks' (explain with your own words Alan),Anand Kramnik etc,can just complement Larry to make a better implementation of the ideas of those guys...and i recall ''ideas' of those guys',and Larry translate those 'ideas' into the a way the engine does (evaluating positions like engine does,as you mentioned.so in other words,Larry could implement the ideas that im sure those guys wont be able to do)
Parent - - By Banned for Life (Gold) Date 2012-03-31 02:30
The problem is that a lot of people can do things without even knowing how they are doing them. It's likely that the top guys can look at positional variants and know that one is better than another, without being able to provide any justification. Larry never has that problem. Everything is a formula to him! :lol:
Parent - By Barnard (Bronze) Date 2012-03-31 02:37

>Everything is a formula to him!


that is an inmense advantage if he wants put his efforts into programming an engine
Parent - - By Regularuser (***) [gb] Date 2012-03-31 06:57 Edited 2012-03-31 07:05
Exactly :)

BTW I picked Kramnik and Anand as they have the peorsinalities that could work well in a team.   Carlsen I figured would turn even an enormous amount of money down at this stage of his life.   Kasparov would add a new dimension but would probably be impossible to work with.   Topalov is an interesting option but you couldn't put him in the same team as Kramnik!
Parent - By Barnard (Bronze) Date 2012-03-31 16:59
well,like some people pointed here,if money is not an issue,i think i will bet for the better hooker on the world;too much better inversion than the supercomputer,and im sure too much more productive :lol:
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