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- - By Schachmatt (****) [us] Date 2012-03-27 07:17 Edited 2012-03-27 07:25
Below is the pgn for games 1 and 2.  i included and attributed comments when applicable.
Attachment: WBCCC2012.cbv - chessbase format (34k)
Attachment: WBCCC2012.pgn - pgn format (66k)
Parent - By Fulcrum2000 (****) [nl] Date 2012-03-27 08:58
Thanks!! :smile:
Parent - By Wrath of the Titans (****) [sa] Date 2012-03-27 09:00
Great job matt! :smile:
Parent - By Nelson Hernandez (Silver) [us] Date 2012-03-27 11:52
Now that was a useful service.  Thanks!
Parent - By Uly (Gold) [mx] Date 2012-03-27 17:47
Thanks!

And double thanks because without this I'd have had to do this myself :smile:
Parent - By Barnard (Bronze) Date 2012-03-27 19:10
thanks a lot! :smile:
Parent - By DazzleKnight2010 (**) Date 2012-03-27 20:04
Thank you. Much appreciated!!
Parent - - By NATIONAL12 (Gold) [gb] Date 2012-03-27 20:40
thats some write up on our game Matt.Good work.
Parent - - By Schachmatt (****) [us] Date 2012-03-27 21:08
thanks all, i think the only game i forgot to include move comments is the first one in the file, natmaku - ppipper.  i may have added a few extra comments like 1.d4 Nf6 2.Bg5 = in order to placate Barnard and ppipper, :lol:, but the majority of the comments came from the forum, and most particularly from Nelson, so a lot of credit also goes to him for his efforts.
Parent - - By Barnard (Bronze) Date 2012-03-27 21:39

>i may have added a few extra comments like 1.d4 Nf6 2.Bg5 = in order to placate Barnard and ppipper


i dont understand that,can you explain me what you mean with it,please?
Parent - - By Schachmatt (****) [us] Date 2012-03-27 22:04
placate means appease, to make calmer; basically i was just teasing a bit, knowing that you and ppipper play these lines on occasion so for me to say that Black has equalized in 2 moves, it's a bit presumptuous and provocative.  although my opinion really is that that Black has fully equal chances after d4 Nf6 2.Bg5 Ne4 or g6 given that Black finds a few precise moves.
Parent - By Barnard (Bronze) Date 2012-03-27 22:06
well,if one day we play a game,lets see if you (black) equalize as easy as you say :twisted:
Parent - - By Kappatoo (****) [de] Date 2012-03-27 22:08
... or d5 or e6 or c5. :)
But well, black has good chances to equalize against any white opening.
Parent - By Barnard (Bronze) Date 2012-03-27 22:34
well,if black has good chances to equalize against any white opening,why white wins more games than black?
Parent - - By Schachmatt (****) [us] Date 2012-03-28 04:35 Edited 2012-03-28 04:42
well, yeah!  i think on 2...Ne4 in particular though Black has precise ways of making the position dead equal, and objectively I'd prefer to follow with d5 rather than c5. i really like 2...g6 too, if 3.bxf6 the pawn structure really is not a problem. 2...e6 is a bit awkward to play on both sides and 2...c5, there's some sharp stuff there, but I never really fancied the lines in which Black plays Qb6-xb2, although this grab is okay in most situations minus the cases White can develop normally with Nc3. ppipper had a very nice game against fulcrum2000 in 2...d5 last year, that's worth a look.  barnard and i were discussing some lines in the tromp in private messages.  i used to play it with white a bit for fun, my favorite being that dubious, to be lenient, 9.Bc7 line in the tromp... .d4 Nf6 2.Bg5 Ne4 3.Bf4 c5 4.f3 Qa5+ 5.c3 Nf6 6.d5 Qb6, Chernyshov's spectacular idea of 7.e4?! Qxb2 8.Nd2 Qxc3 9.Bc7! ... i've worked this line out, and i expect few have bothered to, but i'm sure it's not good for white, but the smallest misstep by black in the analysis, and you will be lost in a forest of variations.

speaking of equalities i must admit, it's difficult to find clear equalities in the accelerated dragon, and the berlin defense ruy lopez, both of which have intrigued me of late. yet in a few ruy variations i have doubts if white has so much as nominal advantage. :red:  although thankfully i really think i have good stuff against many gambits, which i'd love to use and see them die ( i never really liked gambits - except for the max lange attack) - including some lines of the marshall (and on another note, i wouldn't mind the line om and i played last year) if he plays it again :smile: .  then again, i think risky lines as in ...a6 modern are acceptable for 'equality' if you can find 40 force moves.  i will try a double-edged surprise with many force moves next round as black for equality given the chance. :roll: :twisted:
Parent - - By Kappatoo (****) [de] Date 2012-03-28 07:49
Did I get you right there - you found something against the Marshall? Wow.
Parent - By Schachmatt (****) [us] Date 2012-03-28 08:36 Edited 2012-03-28 08:50
in one variation of the Marshall I have a very fun and strong new idea in one of the more popular and considered reliable sub-variations of the Marshall for Black, which is really weird and promising, and the history of the line makes it quite difficult to find because I had to look deeply into a variation of the Marshall that is considered unpromising, plus the engines will not find the idea, in fact, they hide it exceptionally well; I cannot recall if it is enough to win, plus it is ridiculously complicated --- I recall that things were unclear all the way out to move 47, so...   And I have a new idea, too, to torture Black in another, but rare sub-variation of the Marshall, and as far as I know White has chances to torture in other variations... I know that I have all my bases covered when it comes to the Marshall, at least with truly promising lines for White, or in the one case, double-edged... perhaps, Black somehow, eventually, would make a draw in the end --- I spent the large part of a day going thru the entire history of the line, the chesspub theory, which I sound an excellent source material, plus the Marshall games from this tournament last year --- the lines that were tested were not the ones I considered most critical to the lines I consider most critical bc they are not the main lines exactly, but they are close to main lines perhaps... anyways, the previous games in the Marshall I saw in the WBCCC tournaments, largely weren't relevant, which is kind of a hint where I'm looking - and on 11...c6 I would play 12.d4... let's just say not quite on the most commonly beaten path by move 18 so I would have differed from the other WBCCC games by this point ... I think White can sustain something real, at least for a long time.  Enough to make me think that 11...Bb7 in the Marshall could be preferable.  Also there is a published strong unplayed novelty, although the source material is easy to overlook, in a Marshall variation that is, or was as of early 2012, waiting to be played, which is a bit odd...

So I really wouldn't mind a test in the Marshall... for sure it would be game on.  But whatever my opponents play it should be interesting, I think, my fun lines are mostly with Black.
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